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1. 09:15 AM - Re: work bench length (Lauritz Larsen)
2. 10:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Kip & Beth Gardner)
3. 10:53 AM - [ Greg Cardinal ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
4. 08:03 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Rcaprd@aol.com)
5. 08:27 PM - what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? (DJ Vegh)
6. 09:27 PM - Re: what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? (clif)
7. 09:33 PM - Re: what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? (Gary Gower)
8. 09:35 PM - Re: what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? (Gary Gower)
9. 10:41 PM - Charts, Pilotage & Dead Reconing vs. GPS (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lauritz Larsen" <pietlars@earthlink.net>
Hi:
I planned to laminate my wing spars, so when i started on the table, a
requirement was a flat, straight plane surface.
Looked at the 14' and 16' 2x4s and 2x6s and was not happy with the
straightness or the cost. So I used metal stud and metal plates, (2x4
size). They are straight and don't warp and they are cheap. The studs are
a perfect fit to the inside of the plates, (they are both galvanized steel
channels). So I butted two 8' studs at the mid point of a 10'plate; then
butted a an 8' +/- plate to the side plates. These were 45 deg. V notched
at the 3' and 5' points and bent into 90 deg. corners at the V, forming the
end pieces of a 2' x 16' frame. held everything together with 1/2" sheet
metal screws. Also reinforced the ends with wood a 2x4 trimmed to fit
inside the stud section liners. Ditto with 2x4s at 4' intervals inside the
frame; used drywall screws to fasten them.
The table surface was made of doubled 1/2" particle board; I happened to
find some 34" x 8' pieces cheap so thats what I used. Centered a piece,
with half pieces butted for the bottom layer and 2 pieces for the top layer
making the top 1" thick and very ridgid. Mounted the frame/table top on 3
sawhorses. Checked the flatness with a stretched wire and it checked out
OK. By using drywall screws, it was easily disassembled and reused.
I am sold on the metal stud/plate frame concept and do recommend it. Also
the particle board is easy to screw the jig pieces to.
Just another way to make a table.
Regards,
Lou Larsen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: work bench length
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
> now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
> talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
> about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
>
> From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
> looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
> I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
> add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
> rather get it right the first time out.
>
> So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
> through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
> Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
> that you wish you'd done differently?
>
> thanks much,
> Jeff C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 11:28 PM -0400 08/22/03, Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 8/22/03 7:41:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
>kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes:
>
><< only glued the fabric down around the edges of the wing panel.
> Then they LIGHTLY shrunk the fabric to take out the major wrinkles, but
> leaving enough slack in the fabric to conform to the undercamber, followed
> by rib stitching and then the final shrinking to get it all tight.
>
>That's the way I did it. Pay close attention to iron temp with one of those
>little iron thermometers, and ironing everything thouroughly & evenly, in two
>directions . My first shrink was done evenly, at less than half of the max
>temp. Do not glue the fabric to the ribs.
>
>Chuck G.
Walt, Chuck, etc.,
I certainly don't want to reinvent the wheel & the Millers ARE PolyFiber
distributors & application experts. They do go by the book; I was just
reflecting on what I observed these experts doing & what they had us do. I
look forward to getting to the covering phase, although it looks a long way
off; right now I'm working 10 hr. days & my 4-yr. old wants Daddy's
attention when I do get home from work. So this does not leave much, if
any, time for building.
Anyway, from my limited experience, covering is a fun process, even if I
still can't do the damn rib-stitch knot without 5 or 6 trys first - I was
not a good boy scout (I kept getting distracted by rockets, model airplanes
& girls - not necessarily in that order).
Chuck, I enjoyed meeting you at Brodhead & getting to look over your
widely-traveled plane - I'd love to have the time to circiumnavigate the US
- maybe I will by the time I finish my project. Your flying stories are
great, keep it up. BTW, several of us were admiring your prop, it had
really nice 'lines' (props, like women, should have nice curves, as far as
I'm concerned) - did you make it?
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 8/23/03 12:29:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes:
<< Chuck, I enjoyed meeting you at Brodhead & getting to look over your
widely-traveled plane - I'd love to have the time to circiumnavigate the US
- maybe I will by the time I finish my project. Your flying stories are
great, keep it up. BTW, several of us were admiring your prop, it had
really nice 'lines' (props, like women, should have nice curves, as far as
I'm concerned) - did you make it? >>
Kip,
Brodhead was the Best !! Meeting all you good folks, puts faces with names,
and seeing all those beautiful planes, made me realize that there are lots of
people out there with similar unique intrests. I'm working on my next story,
as I type. At work, I'm trying to convince 'em to give me a leave of absence
next summer, so I can do 'A Lap Around America'. Would that be cool, or what
??? Yes, thank you, I did make that prop. Maybe that was the reason I
didn't want that rain to undue all the effort I put into it !! Props, like women,
should also be smooth to the touch, easy on the eyes, and usually lead me
around by the nose !!
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Here's an NTSB accident report on a Piet.
Fortunatley there was no fatality, but read it and see if you can find what
I did that sounded really odd.....
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11558&key=1
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Must have been awfully nose heavy, or somebody
went missing.
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Here's an NTSB accident report on a Piet.
>
> Fortunatley there was no fatality, but read it and see if you can find
what
> I did that sounded really odd.....
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11558&key=1
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| Subject: | Re: what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I think he had some serious weight & balance problems, maybe was a real
tail heavy airplane...
How important is this list... Lots of builders flyers dont use the
computer, "thats kids stuff" I have heard...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
--- DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Here's an NTSB accident report on a Piet.
>
> Fortunatley there was no fatality, but read it and see if you can
> find what
> I did that sounded really odd.....
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11558&key=1
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
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| Subject: | Re: what do you find odd in this NTSB report?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Tail heavy Clif, The duselage had to be overbuilt... imagine the
position of the CG with him in the "real pilots" seat...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Must have been awfully nose heavy, or somebody
> went missing.
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> >
> > Here's an NTSB accident report on a Piet.
> >
> > Fortunatley there was no fatality, but read it and see if you can
> find
> what
> > I did that sounded really odd.....
> >
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11558&key=1
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| Subject: | Charts, Pilotage & Dead Reconing vs. GPS |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
When flying a Pietenpol, its best if you play the part wearing a leather
helmet, goggles, and long white silk scarf. It gives you a much better
relationship with the way our Forefathers did it in the early days. Using a GPS
in
a Pietenpol, to me, seemed like contradiction in terms. GPS is for
sissies...I don't need one, and I don't want one. However, Doug Bryant insisted
I take
his GPS along with me, and just try it out. It's a Magellan SkyBlazer XL.
All the guys at Benton said "GPS is the best thing that's happened since
ailerons". Well, I guess I had to go along with the majority. After some
experimentation, we found the best place to mount the antenna was on the trailing
edge,
just above the pilot seat. I had to drill holes in the trailing edge to mount
the thing...I HATE drilling useless holes in my plane. Mike (at Benton) was
familiar with a similar model, and was showing me some of the features of
this little 1" x 3 1/2 x 6 1/2 box, while I was trying desperately to do final
preparations on my plane before the trip. I also scanned through the thick
instruction manual. I do, sometimes, read directions !! Now I have another
chore, of building some kind of bracket to hold this thing. Real Estate, as you
know, is very limited in the cockpit. I already had to make a bracket for the
Com radio, on the right longeron, to allow the antenna to point up, just to
the right side of the windshield. I also had to get another flying helmet, to
accommodate the headset I wore, and also had a wire going to the 'PTT' (push to
talk) on the control stick. I finally opted to just make a sling, our of
some duct tape, and wear the GPS around my neck...just not enough time to
develop a suitable bracket. It felt like a bowling ball. I hate all this wiring,
and EELEC TRONIC crap !!
The first time I actually used it, was on the first leg of my journey.
It showed ground speed, direction to the airport, distance to the airport,
heading, CDI, and some other stuff, too. All right, that's kinda cool. During
the second leg, the thing said 'Battery Power', then crapped out. After I
landed at Ottowa, took on some fuel, talked with the locals about where I'm coming
from and going to, I replaced the THREE batteries that are in this electronic
marvel. During the fourth leg, the thing said 'Battery Power', and once
again...crapped out !! I wasn't even a quarter of the way there, yet. I would
have thrown this thing overboard, but it had a sling around my neck !! This
thing eats batteries, like a teenager with the munchies !! I assumed the best
way
to use it, was to turn it on just to double check my heading, or the remote
possibility - if I got lost. At the next fuel stop, I replenished the
batteries, stowed it next to my left hip, and never turned it on again...until
I was
half way back on my return trip.
Studying the scenery, using pilotage to maintain position, is truly the
most enjoyable method of navigation. The panoramic view, offered in an open
cockpit, is unparalleled. Watching all those 'Grounders' (folks who never fly),
I kind of feel sorry for them, for they will never know what they are
missing. It really gives you a chance to appreciate the countryside. Once, I
saw a
back yard swimming pool, and yes, there were a couple of bikini clad girls
down there !! I pulled power, and dropped down for a closer look. On my second
lap around the pool, they both started waving their arms at me !! I gave 'em
a good wing wave back, hoping they were from the 'Girls Gone Wild' video, but
no such luck. Gave 'em another wing wave, and took up a northeast heading.
An afterthought, was to holler down to them, my request...I'll do that next
time !!
On the return trip, Saturday evening, at the end of my third long leg of
flying, I had spent over 7 hours in the sky. Except for a sore butt, I really
didn't feel fatigued. I came up on a stretch of forest, where there were
just no distinguishable features, so I just checked one of the VOR's on the
chart, noted the direction I needed to fly, and flew compass heading for a while.
Twenty minutes later, I finally came upon a small town, but couldn't find it
on the chart. Then I thought...damn...I didn't correct for wind. OK, there's
another town in the distance, and it has a water tower on the West side of
town. As I looked at how the roads and railroads laid, I still didn't find it
on
the chart. OK, pull power, drop down to have a look at the name on the water
tower. Turned out this was a small water tower, the kind that looks like a
golf ball on a tee, and it was evedently one that just fed the needs of a farm,
and didn't have a name on it. OK, it's only 7:30, still lots of daylight
left, and I have plenty of fuel onboard. Should I go in this direction, or that
direction. I zig zagged to two more towns, but couldn't find them on the
chart either. I wasn't really lost...I mean I knew what area I was in, I just
didn't know my position. Well, as I began to look for a suitable landing area,
I
went over in my mind how I would do it: Do three of four low fly-bys,
checking for spider webs (electric & telephone wires), and dropping a little lower
on each pass. Then do a couple of touch & goes, just to test the soil, or the
road, and wondering how I would explain this to the neighbors that I would
have to encounter. However, I do have another option: program the GPS. I
hesitated calling it my 'Ace in the Hole'. I had to program this unfamiliar
gadget, with the 'from' and 'to' identifiers I found on the chart, MPZ to IRK,
while
I was looking for landmarks or a place to land, and most of all - Fly the
Plane !! With my head in the cockpit, it seamed each time I looked back up, the
nose was way high, or a wing was way high. I double checked each letter I put
in the GPS, because I didn't want to put the wrong identifier in.
Finally...WA LAA !! It showed me what heading to take up, and Kirksville was
just nine
miles away !! I noted the heading, and turned the GPS back off, to conserve
those three tiny batteries. Turned it back on when I was about three miles
out, then spotted the airport. I turned on the COM radio to enter the class D
airspace, and when I broadcast my position and intention, the 'Battery' light
was flashing on the COM radio !! I still don't like this battery stuff, and
electronic crap, but I guess I've come to terms with the fact that we live in a
different time. Kirksville has a nice East / West grass runway, and I
greased 'er on with at least 15 minutes of daylight left. After taxiing in to where
the pumps were, nobody around, I was glad to see it was the credit card type
pumps. Had to kind of pry my body out of the cockpit, stretch all the kinks
out, and fuel 'er up. Pushed 'er over to a tie down area, secured my trusty
pair of wings, unpacked a few things and headed over to the big glass doors of
the building...locked. No phone around. Walked around the side of the building
to where it said 'Pilot Brief', and the door was unlocked. Hummmm....vending
machines and a couch !! I had three bags of corn chips, two bags of
skittles, & two cans or root beer for supper, and got a good nights sleep on the
couch !!! Just doesn't get any better than this !!
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
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