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1. 12:35 AM - Re: The Birdmen (clif)
2. 01:09 AM - Ford A on ebay (clif)
3. 01:12 AM - ford AC head (clif)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Blakesburg (Jack Textor)
5. 06:17 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce - I am about to never use (Michael D Cuy)
6. 07:07 AM - Aircraft Spruce -who is this guy?! (DJ Vegh)
7. 07:27 AM - Aircraft Spruce (Barry Davis)
8. 08:26 AM - uprights next to the spars (Jeff Cours)
9. 08:36 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce - I am about to never use (John Hofmann)
10. 09:11 AM - Instrument Panel (Ken Hannan)
11. 10:28 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce (DJ Vegh)
12. 01:33 PM - Recent visit to see Larry Prange's Pietenpol Air Camper (Jim Markle)
13. 03:23 PM - Re: Aircraft Spruce (Al Latham)
14. 05:34 PM - Re: uprights next to the spars (dpilot)
15. 09:12 PM - The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (Rcaprd@aol.com)
16. 10:20 PM - Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (Gary M. Colwill)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
They did build a replica and one of
them flew it on the show that I saw.
I believe it was a 1 hr documentary.
That's about a year ago now.
ClifSubject: Pietenpol-List: The Birdmen
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chad and Susan Johnson"
<chadnsue@earthlink.net>
>
> Not sure of the Movie Title, but I too saw a really neat movie many years
> ago about POWs building a glider and launching it to freedom. It is indeed
> based upon the true story of The Colditz Castle POW camp and they really
> did build a glider. The glider was very near completion when the American
> forces arrived and liberated the town and the camp. There is only one
> known photograph surviving and you can see that on the web if you do a
> search for Colditz Castle. The glider was broken up and used for fire
> wood, it never flew. That is just one of many amazing escape stories from
> that place. There is a book or two written about this stuff also. The
> documentary I watched was a NOVA, PBS program. Not sure when it aired.
>
> Chad J.
>
> --- Susan Johnson
> --- chadnsue@earthlink.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=2429073203
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2189281561&category=419
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
Walt,
It is at Antique Airfield, Blakesburg, IA which is just west of Ottumwa, IA.
The ID is IA27. Sponsored by the Antique Airplane Association. It is a
member only event. You can learn more at their site http://www.aaa-apm.org
. Very casual and many nice antiques.
Jack Textor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Blakesburg
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Where's that?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blakesburg
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
<jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>
> Any Pietors going to Blakesburg this weekend?
> Jack Textor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce - I am about to never use |
them again.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ-- I have posted my preference several times on this list in dealing with
Wicks near St. Louis and Dillsburg Aeroworks in PA for AN hardware rather
that the idiots at ASS. They farm out much of that work--- like tach
cables. When I got fed up after waiting over 2 mos. for a simple
tachometer cable I dug up enough dirt to find out that ASS has some
backyard garage outfit making these things in Arizona and that was the hold
up. I only use them when all other options are exhausted.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Aircraft Spruce -who is this guy?! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I got this email.... in the "From" line it said "John and Susan
<sjficklen@mchsi.com>". In the "Subject" line it said "Aircraft Spruce,
i.e., cables."
here's what the message read:
Dear DJ; Get a life
------------------------------
who the hell is this jackass? it must be either someone on the Piet list or
the Corvair list because I only sent my email about Aircraft Spruce to those
lists.
I need to get a life because I'm concerned about the safety of my aircraft
and the safety of my 9 yr. old son who will be sitting in front seat of my
Piet?!
I invite this John character to say that to my face if he ever sees me.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
-
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
When I order something, the standard question is "do you have it in stock and when
will it ship". If I don't get the answer I like, then the shopping around
begins. It is a must to have all the vendors catalogs in your library when building
an airplane. I own 5 companies and know first hand that you can't stock
everything and can't make everything yourself. We have to rely on the small jobbers.
What we can't tolerate is unreal delivery claims. If its going to take
a long time, I want to know it up front. Then I can see who has it in stock before
I order it.
Also A/S will price match. I found this out buying a Garmin GPS. I made the comment
that so and so had it for a lower price and the salesman popped up and said
they will match the lowest price we could find. Garmin has a minimum advertised
price that can be printed in the catalog, but it can be sold "on sale" by
any vendor. It saved me a couple hundred dollars, so I bought my tach also.
My $.02
Barry
ps. all 168 ribs built now
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| Subject: | uprights next to the spars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
> I built the ribs with only a single upright next to each rib. It saves an
> insignificant amount of weight, and doesn't affect the rib integrity at all.
> It also makes it impossible to have problems fitting the ribs onto the spar.
I've been wondering about this. The rib drawing on my "Wing Plans
3-3-34" sheet doesn't seem to show any vertical capstrip next to the
spars, just some pieces that meet on a diagonal. That matches the
diagram in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. However, the full-sized
rib drawing shows a single vertical piece next to each spar.
What's the general wisdom on these upright pieces?
thanks,
Jeff C.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce - I am about to never use |
them again.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
What Mikey said:
I use ASS as only a last resort. How I miss Alexander Aeroplane before they
were bought out. Wicks has always treated me very well. I get my Spruce
locally in Madison, WI at McCormick's lumber. They stock straight grain
Sitka. I are reasonable and I know they ship.
-john-
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> DJ-- I have posted my preference several times on this list in dealing with
> Wicks near St. Louis and Dillsburg Aeroworks in PA for AN hardware rather
> that the idiots at ASS. They farm out much of that work--- like tach
> cables. When I got fed up after waiting over 2 mos. for a simple
> tachometer cable I dug up enough dirt to find out that ASS has some
> backyard garage outfit making these things in Arizona and that was the hold
> up. I only use them when all other options are exhausted.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
John Hofmann
Manager, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
7600 Terrace Avenue, Ste. 203
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 608-831-3611, ext. 150
Fax: 608-831-5122
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
Group, It's time for me to put together my instrument panel, I would like to
know what type and brand I should use, also what instruments do I need? this
is for my Model A powered Pietenpol.
Thanks
Ken Hannan
Temecula, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
How interesting...... I made the post about AS&S yesterday on the Piet list and
on the 'Vair list. a few members from the 'Vair list even sent an email directly
to AS&S stressing their concerns.
I also sent an email yesterday to Jim Irwin (Pres.of AS&S) explaining my strife.
I get a call this morning from the Customer Service General Mgr and she says she
has had a new set of cables made and that these cables will meet spec. She
says they are very concerned about safety.
Funny how it takes getting aggressive to get things done. I'll post back when
I mic the swages and see for myself.
DJ
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| Subject: | Recent visit to see Larry Prange's Pietenpol Air Camper |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
What a fun visit with Larry and Clif Dawson! They're both craftsmen who
know how to get the job done (with skill levels that humble me).
If I had known that building a Pietenpol might allow me to hang out with
this crowd, I would have started it years ago.
Thanks guys.
Jim in Plano
>
> To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly,
> simply go to:
>
> <http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b32895fbe4f1>
>
> (If you can't click on this link, try copying and pasting it
> into your web browser.)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
Hi DJ,
Sounds like a simple case of bending the right persons ear...
It appears that the first person you talked with was a "clock watcher"
and couldn't care less if you were happy or if the items were safe.
Hope it ends well.
Al Latham,
Lathrop, MO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Spruce
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> How interesting...... I made the post about AS&S yesterday on the Piet
list and on the 'Vair list. a few members from the 'Vair list even sent an
email directly to AS&S stressing their concerns.
>
> I also sent an email yesterday to Jim Irwin (Pres.of AS&S) explaining my
strife.
>
> I get a call this morning from the Customer Service General Mgr and she
says she has had a new set of cables made and that these cables will meet
spec. She says they are very concerned about safety.
>
> Funny how it takes getting aggressive to get things done. I'll post back
when I mic the swages and see for myself.
>
> DJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: uprights next to the spars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
Use them if you make a spar that is 3/4 ths inches wide.
Dont use them if you make a spar that is 1 inch wide
JimV.
Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene"
> I built the ribs with only a single upright next to each rib. It saves an
> insignificant amount of weight, and doesn't affect the rib integrity at all.
> It also makes it impossible to have problems fitting the ribs onto the spar.
I've been wondering about this. The rib drawing on my "Wing Plans
3-3-34" sheet doesn't seem to show any vertical capstrip next to the
spars, just some pieces that meet on a diagonal. That matches the
diagram in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. However, the full-sized
rib drawing shows a single vertical piece next to each spar.
What's the general wisdom on these upright pieces?
thanks,
Jeff C.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Suprising to me, I've been getting a lot of positive responses about
these flying stories. Here's one that actually happened in mid May. I make notes
in my Pilot Log, about each flight, so that when I'm no longer able to fly
(yes, we will all get there), I'll be able to relive flying this wonderful
airplane. This event took less than a minute to unfold, but it is rather humorous.
It was an afternoon test flight, kinda bumpy conditions, especially when
I was trying to see how the plane trims out, at various airspeeds. I have
since found that my plane trims out nicely at 1900 rpm for a 70 mph level cruise.
What still amazes me, is that if I add just 100 rpm, up to 2000 rpm, the
nose will pitch up slightly and go into a shallow climb. On the other end, if
I
reduce it by just 100 rpm, to 1800 rpm, it will slightly pitch down into a
shallow decent. The balance and control feel of a Pietenpol is such that you
easily become one with the plane.
Anyway, I was in an area about 5 or 10 miles west of El Dorado Lake.
It's a sparsely populated area with plenty of fields, where an emergency landing
could be made. I've often seen birds while flying, some that seemed to be too
close for comfort. I've heard tell, that Pietenpols sometimes take a bird
strike...from the REAR !! Last year, I was taking a friend a ride in a spam
can C-150, and we spotted a Bald Eagle, well off in the distance, but easily
recognizable. I noted that in my log book.
On this occasion I spotted a hawk, off my 11 O'clock, maybe half mile
away, and several hundred feet lower altitude. I thought...Hummm...I wonder how
close I could get to him, if I sneak up on him with a low power setting,
however probably not a wise thing to do. My wisdom succumbed to my curiosity,
and
I pulled power to around 1500 rpm. The exhaust noise was very significantly
reduced, but the wind noise was still evident, so I pitched the nose up a
little, to slow down and maintained a glide speed of 45 or 50 mph, where the wind
noise is reduced. As I approached him, keeping him at my 10 to 11 O'clock, I
couldn't really tell what his heading was. Our bretherns in flight, Hawks and
Eagles, are among the most graceful creatures on earth, tuned to their
environment. As I got closer, I could see he was having no problem with the bumpy
thermals, and was in full control with a twitch of his wing tips, and tail. I
could now tell he was on approximately the same heading as I was. He was
looking down, and was probably thinking "look at how those damned humans have
ruined my land". Either that, or "I've got to find a big fat grain fed mouse".
He certainly did not see my approach. I was coming up quickly now, and when he
was at my 9 O'clock, less than 100', and maybe 30' lower, he turned and
looked me right in the eye, and his eyes got bigger than his head !! He instantly
turned into a ruffled ball of feathers, and squirted a white glob out of his
six !! I am certain that it fell on someone's newly waxed vehicle !! In a
heartbeat, he gathered himself back together in a 90 banked left turn, and
slowly disappeared in the distance. I just didn't have the heart to turn and
follow him. Maybe I gave him an appreciation of how his prey feels, just before
he
strikes them. Maybe I've made him a better hunter. I can only hope he
didn't pull a muscle, or something...
Chuck Gantzer
every flight is an adventure !!
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| Subject: | Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary M. Colwill" <g.colwill3@verizon.net>
That's the funniest flying story I've ever heard!
Gary C.
Chino, CA
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> Suprising to me, I've been getting a lot of positive responses about
>these flying stories. Here's one that actually happened in mid May. I make notes
>in my Pilot Log, about each flight, so that when I'm no longer able to fly
>(yes, we will all get there), I'll be able to relive flying this wonderful
>airplane. This event took less than a minute to unfold, but it is rather humorous.
> It was an afternoon test flight, kinda bumpy conditions, especially when
>I was trying to see how the plane trims out, at various airspeeds. I have
>since found that my plane trims out nicely at 1900 rpm for a 70 mph level cruise.
> What still amazes me, is that if I add just 100 rpm, up to 2000 rpm, the
>nose will pitch up slightly and go into a shallow climb. On the other end, if
I
>reduce it by just 100 rpm, to 1800 rpm, it will slightly pitch down into a
>shallow decent. The balance and control feel of a Pietenpol is such that you
>easily become one with the plane.
> Anyway, I was in an area about 5 or 10 miles west of El Dorado Lake.
>It's a sparsely populated area with plenty of fields, where an emergency landing
>could be made. I've often seen birds while flying, some that seemed to be too
>close for comfort. I've heard tell, that Pietenpols sometimes take a bird
>strike...from the REAR !! Last year, I was taking a friend a ride in a spam
>can C-150, and we spotted a Bald Eagle, well off in the distance, but easily
>recognizable. I noted that in my log book.
> On this occasion I spotted a hawk, off my 11 O'clock, maybe half mile
>away, and several hundred feet lower altitude. I thought...Hummm...I wonder how
>close I could get to him, if I sneak up on him with a low power setting,
>however probably not a wise thing to do. My wisdom succumbed to my curiosity,
and
>I pulled power to around 1500 rpm. The exhaust noise was very significantly
>reduced, but the wind noise was still evident, so I pitched the nose up a
>little, to slow down and maintained a glide speed of 45 or 50 mph, where the wind
>noise is reduced. As I approached him, keeping him at my 10 to 11 O'clock, I
>couldn't really tell what his heading was. Our bretherns in flight, Hawks and
>Eagles, are among the most graceful creatures on earth, tuned to their
>environment. As I got closer, I could see he was having no problem with the bumpy
>thermals, and was in full control with a twitch of his wing tips, and tail. I
>could now tell he was on approximately the same heading as I was. He was
>looking down, and was probably thinking "look at how those damned humans have
>ruined my land". Either that, or "I've got to find a big fat grain fed mouse".
>He certainly did not see my approach. I was coming up quickly now, and when he
>was at my 9 O'clock, less than 100', and maybe 30' lower, he turned and
>looked me right in the eye, and his eyes got bigger than his head !! He instantly
>turned into a ruffled ball of feathers, and squirted a white glob out of his
>six !! I am certain that it fell on someone's newly waxed vehicle !! In a
>heartbeat, he gathered himself back together in a 90 banked left turn, and
>slowly disappeared in the distance. I just didn't have the heart to turn and
>follow him. Maybe I gave him an appreciation of how his prey feels, just before
he
>strikes them. Maybe I've made him a better hunter. I can only hope he
>didn't pull a muscle, or something...
>
>Chuck Gantzer
>every flight is an adventure !!
>
>
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