Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 08/29/03


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 05:24 AM - Grassroots (John Hofmann)
     2. 06:49 AM - Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (dan john)
     3. 07:34 AM - John Ficklen - this guys a moron (DJ Vegh)
     4. 08:05 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (del magsam)
     5. 08:14 AM - Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (del magsam)
     6. 08:14 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (Gary McNeel)
     7. 08:20 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (DJ Vegh)
     8. 08:28 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (James Dallas)
     9. 08:31 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (John Ford)
    10. 08:37 AM - Re: New GN-1 member (DJ Vegh)
    11. 08:49 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (dpilot)
    12. 09:01 AM - Pietenpol with model A engine (Robert Gow)
    13. 09:09 AM - Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper  (Jim Markle)
    14. 09:21 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (Carbarvo@aol.com)
    15. 09:35 AM - Re: Grassroots (Cy Galley)
    16. 09:40 AM - completed GN-1 pics in Michigan (DJ Vegh)
    17. 09:53 AM - Another item on eBay (DJ Vegh)
    18. 11:38 AM - Which Corvair ? / was: Interesting item on eBay web site ... (Jim Ash)
    19. 11:51 AM - Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (John Dilatush)
    20. 02:07 PM - Re: Which Corvair ? / was: Interesting item on eBay web site ... (dpilot)
    21. 02:09 PM - Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (dpilot)
    22. 05:50 PM - Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet (John McNarry)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:24:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Grassroots
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> Any MAAC members on the list off to Brodhead for Grassroots next weekend? -john- --------------------------------- John Hofmann Manager, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 7600 Terrace Avenue, Ste. 203 Middleton, WI 53562 Phone: 608-831-3611, ext. 150 Fax: 608-831-5122 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com


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    Time: 06:49:20 AM PST US
    From: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com> Hi list.I`m new to the list(first day).What a story to be greeted with!Great.I have just completed Grega GN1 that my son started when he was 13.He is 38 now.You would`nt throw a guy out for having a Grega would you? It has a Corvair engine.I am having a problem getting insurance because of the engine.Now one will cover it until the restrictions are flown off. My test pilot will be Vi Kapler,so that can`t be an insurance problem.Has anyone one the list had this happen? Also I see a reference to a corvair list.Did`nt know about this.Got an address? Buy the way,in reference to Aircraft Spruce,I`m all done with them as I have had there Sales Manager flat out lie to me.Thanks,John P.


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    Time: 07:34:07 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. he sends me an email today saying " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and less time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative deleted) are you?" Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you folks on this list. I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who likes to share with others. I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in 2 years. I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may generate. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper


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    Time: 08:05:24 AM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> DJ This guy and others are bent on causing cayouse. And if you read his emails and get upset, then he has succeeded in his mission. If you just press delete even before you read his emails, then he hasn't even made it to first base. and it remains his problem, and you havn't made it yours, or ours. if you bring it up on the list, then you will get everybody riled up, waste time, bandwidth etc. and then this guy will really succeed. Del --- DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on > this list. the guy who > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about > my AS&S cables. > > he sends me an email today saying > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, > and historian. I have > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will > fly in Dec. after two > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with > Tony B's books and less > time on the computer you would probably get more > done. Who the (explative > deleted) are you?" > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my > project? And yes.... I do > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours > updating my > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours > discussing issues with you > folks on this list. > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet > community individual who > likes to share with others. > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like > you who finished a Piet in > 2 years. > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read > any replies this may > generate. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com


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    Time: 08:14:07 AM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> my vair powered sonex is covered by avemco, liability only for $1200/year. They will require 10 hrs of dual, which is a little difficult, but can be done. you can sign up for the vair list at www.corvaircraft.com and welcome! Del --- dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dan john > <ballmell@yahoo.com> > > Hi list.I`m new to the list(first day).What a story > to > be greeted with!Great.I have just completed Grega > GN1 > that my son started when he was 13.He is 38 now.You > would`nt throw a guy out for having a Grega would > you? > It has a Corvair engine.I am having a problem > getting > insurance because of the engine.Now one will cover > it > until the restrictions are flown off. My test pilot > will be Vi Kapler,so that can`t be an insurance > problem.Has anyone one the list had this happen? > Also > I see a reference to a corvair list.Did`nt know > about > this.Got an address? Buy the way,in reference to > Aircraft Spruce,I`m all done with them as I have had > there Sales Manager flat out lie to me.Thanks,John > P. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com


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    Time: 08:14:58 AM PST US
    From: "Gary McNeel" <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
    Subject: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" <gmcneel@mykitplane.com> Never heard of him, but who cares. Your work is great and your concerns are valid. Ask him if he has any friends who died in a plane crash because they just were not worried about structural parts failing. Frankly, I am VERY surprised that AS&S will not take them back. That is the BIG Company mentality for you. -Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. he sends me an email today saying " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and less time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative deleted) are you?" Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you folks on this list. I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who likes to share with others. I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in 2 years. I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may generate. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper


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    Time: 08:20:15 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> yeah... you know what... you are right. my delete key will get some use from this guy. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "del magsam" <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > > DJ > This guy and others are bent on causing cayouse. And > if you read his emails and get upset, then he has > succeeded in his mission. If you just press delete > even before you read his emails, then he hasn't even > made it to first base. and it remains his problem, and > you havn't made it yours, or ours. if you bring it up > on the list, then you will get everybody riled up, > waste time, bandwidth etc. and then this guy will > really succeed. > Del > --- DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on > > this list. the guy who > > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about > > my AS&S cables. > > > > he sends me an email today saying > > > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, > > and historian. I have > > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will > > fly in Dec. after two > > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with > > Tony B's books and less > > time on the computer you would probably get more > > done. Who the (explative > > deleted) are you?" > > > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my > > project? And yes.... I do > > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours > > updating my > > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours > > discussing issues with you > > folks on this list. > > > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet > > community individual who > > likes to share with others. > > > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like > > you who finished a Piet in > > 2 years. > > > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read > > any replies this may > > generate. > > > > DJ Vegh > > N74DV > > Mesa, AZ > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > latest messages. > > List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > Del-New Richmond, Wi > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > __________________________________ > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >


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    Time: 08:28:39 AM PST US
    From: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com> DJ, Ignore him---I for one like what your doing and spend quite a bit of time at your web site. Jim D. >From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:33:25 -0700 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > >I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who >told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > >he sends me an email today saying > >" I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have >restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two >years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and >less >time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative >deleted) are you?" > >Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do >spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my >construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you >folks on this list. > >I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who >likes to share with others. > >I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet >in >2 years. > >I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may >generate. > >DJ Vegh >N74DV >Mesa, AZ >www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige


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    Time: 08:31:13 AM PST US
    From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
    Subject: Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu> I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to heart... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. he sends me an email today saying " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and less time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative deleted) are you?" Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you folks on this list. I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who likes to share with others. I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in 2 years. I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may generate. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper


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    Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: New GN-1 member
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Hi John, I have a GN-1 which is about 50% complete and I have my William Wynne Corvair whcih will be powering it. GN-1's are certainly welcome on this list. if you get a chance and feel like checking out my site, I have TONS of pics and construction log entries. the site is www.imagedv.com/aircamper Welcome! DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "del magsam" <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet > > <ballmell@yahoo.com> > > > > Hi list.I`m new to the list(first day).What a story > > to > > be greeted with!Great.I have just completed Grega > > GN1 > > that my son started when he was 13.He is 38 now.You > > would`nt throw a guy out for having a Grega would > > you? > > It has a Corvair engine.I am having a problem > > getting > > insurance because of the engine.Now one will cover > > it > > until the restrictions are flown off. My test pilot > > will be Vi Kapler,so that can`t be an insurance > > problem.Has anyone one the list had this happen? > > Also > > I see a reference to a corvair list.Did`nt know > > about > > this.Got an address? Buy the way,in reference to > > Aircraft Spruce,I`m all done with them as I have had > > there Sales Manager flat out lie to me.Thanks,John > > P. > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > latest messages. > > List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > Del-New Richmond, Wi > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > __________________________________ > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >


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    Time: 08:49:01 AM PST US
    From: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> Actually, "John" has a point. I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no problems. I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with changing the plans. JimV. John Ford <Jford@indstate.edu> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to heart... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. he sends me an email today saying " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and less time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative deleted) are you?" Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you folks on this list. I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who likes to share with others. I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in 2 years. I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may generate. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper ---------------------------------


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    Time: 09:01:14 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Pietenpol with model A engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> I'm wondering if anyone has realistic performance figures for a Pietenpol with the stock Model A engine @ gross weight. I suspect more power would be a good thing. From what I can see there has been quite a bit of work done in increasing the horsepower in the lower RPM range. On set of Dyno results I saw with a replica performance head, needle bearings, 451 pistons and so forth indicated about 70 HP @ 2500 rpm. Does anyone have experience with this sort of modification? Bob


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    Time: 09:09:03 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol
    Air Camper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Wow, this looks like a good one.... Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper > I saw this item for sale at eBayMotors, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. > > Title of item: Pietenpol Air Camper > Seller: beepilot > Starts: Aug-28-03 20:00:00 PDT > Ends: Sep-04-03 20:00:00 PDT > Price: Currently $500.00 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2429974094 > > > Item Description: > > Pietenpol Air Camper > > I am listing this Pietenpol project for Kevin, who needs the hanger space. This would make a great starting point for someone wanting to build a "1937 Air camper" I don't personally know the details, but the workmanship looks great. The plans are there, along with some pictures of the build process. > > > Vehicle Condition > > > This is a partially built project. > > Plans are listed as "1937 Air Camper with a 1960 Corvair Engine" > > Always been indoors and with no apparent damage to the structures. > > Photo's can be viewed at http://www.steve.dewright.us/Pietenpol/index.htm > > If you have any questions contact Kevin at 1-636-926-0039 > Or e-mail me and I'll do my best to answer any questions. > > > Terms of Sale > > > Paypal, US Postal Money Order, orCash. 25% of winning bid must be paid within 3 days of auction ending. The balances due at time of pick up or after arrangements are made for shipping.Buyer must arrange all shipping. Buyer must pick up or have shipping arrangements made within an agreeable time frame. > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com


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    Time: 09:21:28 AM PST US
    From: Carbarvo@aol.com
    Subject: Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Me too! It's a disgrace to have someone like that sully an otherwise friendly exchange. I hope we never fall into the rut of strong language and disrespect. From what I've seen, that's very unlikely EXCEPT for this one individual. Carl V.


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    Time: 09:35:21 AM PST US
    From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
    Subject: Re: Grassroots
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> I plan on going with the Bellanca ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grassroots > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> > > Any MAAC members on the list off to Brodhead for Grassroots next weekend? > > -john- > > --------------------------------- > John Hofmann > Manager, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 7600 Terrace Avenue, Ste. 203 > Middleton, WI 53562 > Phone: 608-831-3611, ext. 150 > Fax: 608-831-5122 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > >


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    Time: 09:40:29 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: completed GN-1 pics in Michigan
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I took some pics of a GN-1 that I came across while doing some barnyard flying in the back country of Michigan. This yellow one stunned me because it has the same style lettering along the side that I will be doing on mine. some pics here: http://www.imagedv.com/indiana-8-03/index.htm & http://www.imagedv.com/indiana-8-03/index_2.htm DJ Vegh Editor - Animator - Digital Artist Larry John Wright, Inc. 1045 E. University Dr. Mesa, AZ 85203 480.833.8111 - Office 602.743.5768 - Mobile "The Nation's Number One Retail Advertising Agency" Achieving Big Time Results for Local and Regional Retailers ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Latham To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Spruce --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net> Hi DJ, Sounds like a simple case of bending the right persons ear... It appears that the first person you talked with was a "clock watcher" and couldn't care less if you were happy or if the items were safe. Hope it ends well. Al Latham, Lathrop, MO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Spruce > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > How interesting...... I made the post about AS&S yesterday on the Piet list and on the 'Vair list. a few members from the 'Vair list even sent an email directly to AS&S stressing their concerns. > > I also sent an email yesterday to Jim Irwin (Pres.of AS&S) explaining my strife. > > I get a call this morning from the Customer Service General Mgr and she says she has had a new set of cables made and that these cables will meet spec. She says they are very concerned about safety. > > Funny how it takes getting aggressive to get things done. I'll post back when I mic the swages and see for myself. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > > = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 09:53:15 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Another item on eBay
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> here's another Aircamper http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category26428&item2429669998 by the looks of the landing gear and the wing ribs, me thinks it's a GN-1 and not a Piet DJ Vegh ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Wow, this looks like a good one.... Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper > I saw this item for sale at eBayMotors, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. > > Title of item: Pietenpol Air Camper > Seller: beepilot > Starts: Aug-28-03 20:00:00 PDT > Ends: Sep-04-03 20:00:00 PDT > Price: Currently $500.00 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2429974094 > > > Item Description: > > Pietenpol Air Camper > > I am listing this Pietenpol project for Kevin, who needs the hanger space. This would make a great starting point for someone wanting to build a "1937 Air camper" I don't personally know the details, but the workmanship looks great. The plans are there, along with some pictures of the build process. > > > Vehicle Condition > > > This is a partially built project. > > Plans are listed as "1937 Air Camper with a 1960 Corvair Engine" > > Always been indoors and with no apparent damage to the structures. > > Photo's can be viewed at http://www.steve.dewright.us/Pietenpol/index.htm > > If you have any questions contact Kevin at 1-636-926-0039 > Or e-mail me and I'll do my best to answer any questions. > > > Terms of Sale > > > Paypal, US Postal Money Order, orCash. 25% of winning bid must be paid within 3 days of auction ending. The balances due at time of pick up or after arrangements are made for shipping.Buyer must arrange all shipping. Buyer must pick up or have shipping arrangements made within an agreeable time frame. > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 11:38:52 AM PST US
    From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Which Corvair ? / was: Interesting item on eBay web site
    ... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> This eBay ad lists a 1960 Corvair, which got me thinking. Is anybody here using a Corvair engine that isn't a late-model 110? I'm not personally a fan of the earlies (although I've got one in a car), mostly because of the smaller displacement / hp, but as long as you're not running a 140 or a 180, I can't say a whole lot. I'm not trying to stir up an argument, I'm just curious. Jim Ash Which At 8/29/2003 11:12 AM -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > >Wow, this looks like a good one.... > >Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper > > > > I saw this item for sale at eBayMotors, The World's Online Marketplace TM, >and thought that you might be interested. > > > > Title of item: Pietenpol Air Camper > > Seller: beepilot > > Starts: Aug-28-03 20:00:00 PDT > > Ends: Sep-04-03 20:00:00 PDT > > Price: Currently $500.00 > > To bid on the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2429974094 > > > > > > Item Description: > > > > Pietenpol Air Camper > > > > I am listing this Pietenpol project for Kevin, who needs the hanger space. >This would make a great starting point for someone wanting to build a "1937 >Air camper" I >don't personally know the details, but the workmanship looks great. >The plans are there, along with some pictures of the build process. > > > > > > Vehicle Condition > > > > > > This is a partially built project. > > > > Plans are listed as >"1937 Air Camper with a 1960 Corvair Engine" > > > > Always been indoors >and with no apparent damage to the structures. > > > > Photo's can be >viewed at http://www.steve.dewright.us/Pietenpol/index.htm > > > > If you have any >questions contact Kevin at 1-636-926-0039 > > Or e-mail me and >I'll do my best to answer any questions. > > > > > > Terms of Sale > > > > > > Paypal, US Postal Money Order, orCash. 25% of winning >bid must be paid within 3 days of auction ending. The balances due at time >of pick up or after arrangements are made for shipping.Buyer must >arrange all shipping. Buyer must pick up or have shipping arrangements made >within an agreeable time frame. > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > >


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    Time: 11:51:27 AM PST US
    From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
    Subject: Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcaprd@aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet ++++++++++++++++++++++ Yup Chuck, That remark about Piets taking a bird strike from the rear, will also go into a newsletter! John ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Suprising to me, I've been getting a lot of positive responses about > these flying stories. Here's one that actually happened in mid May. I make notes > in my Pilot Log, about each flight, so that when I'm no longer able to fly > (yes, we will all get there), I'll be able to relive flying this wonderful > airplane. This event took less than a minute to unfold, but it is rather humorous. > It was an afternoon test flight, kinda bumpy conditions, especially when > I was trying to see how the plane trims out, at various airspeeds. I have > since found that my plane trims out nicely at 1900 rpm for a 70 mph level cruise. > What still amazes me, is that if I add just 100 rpm, up to 2000 rpm, the > nose will pitch up slightly and go into a shallow climb. On the other end, if I > reduce it by just 100 rpm, to 1800 rpm, it will slightly pitch down into a > shallow decent. The balance and control feel of a Pietenpol is such that you > easily become one with the plane. > Anyway, I was in an area about 5 or 10 miles west of El Dorado Lake. > It's a sparsely populated area with plenty of fields, where an emergency landing > could be made. I've often seen birds while flying, some that seemed to be too > close for comfort. I've heard tell, that Pietenpols sometimes take a bird > strike...from the REAR !! Last year, I was taking a friend a ride in a spam > can C-150, and we spotted a Bald Eagle, well off in the distance, but easily > recognizable. I noted that in my log book. > On this occasion I spotted a hawk, off my 11 O'clock, maybe half mile > away, and several hundred feet lower altitude. I thought...Hummm...I wonder how > close I could get to him, if I sneak up on him with a low power setting, > however probably not a wise thing to do. My wisdom succumbed to my curiosity, and > I pulled power to around 1500 rpm. The exhaust noise was very significantly > reduced, but the wind noise was still evident, so I pitched the nose up a > little, to slow down and maintained a glide speed of 45 or 50 mph, where the wind > noise is reduced. As I approached him, keeping him at my 10 to 11 O'clock, I > couldn't really tell what his heading was. Our bretherns in flight, Hawks and > Eagles, are among the most graceful creatures on earth, tuned to their > environment. As I got closer, I could see he was having no problem with the bumpy > thermals, and was in full control with a twitch of his wing tips, and tail. I > could now tell he was on approximately the same heading as I was. He was > looking down, and was probably thinking "look at how those damned humans have > ruined my land". Either that, or "I've got to find a big fat grain fed mouse". > He certainly did not see my approach. I was coming up quickly now, and when he > was at my 9 O'clock, less than 100', and maybe 30' lower, he turned and > looked me right in the eye, and his eyes got bigger than his head !! He instantly > turned into a ruffled ball of feathers, and squirted a white glob out of his > six !! I am certain that it fell on someone's newly waxed vehicle !! In a > heartbeat, he gathered himself back together in a 90 banked left turn, and > slowly disappeared in the distance. I just didn't have the heart to turn and > follow him. Maybe I gave him an appreciation of how his prey feels, just before he > strikes them. Maybe I've made him a better hunter. I can only hope he > didn't pull a muscle, or something... > > Chuck Gantzer > every flight is an adventure !! > >


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    Time: 02:07:59 PM PST US
    From: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Which Corvair ? / was: Interesting item on eBay web
    site ... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> All Corvair engines built after 1964 (and some in 1964) had the "spyder" crank and rod assemblies, known to be stronger and subject to less failures. JimV. dpilot@yahoo.com Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash This eBay ad lists a 1960 Corvair, which got me thinking. Is anybody here using a Corvair engine that isn't a late-model 110? I'm not personally a fan of the earlies (although I've got one in a car), mostly because of the smaller displacement / hp, but as long as you're not running a 140 or a 180, I can't say a whole lot. I'm not trying to stir up an argument, I'm just curious. Jim Ash Which At 8/29/2003 11:12 AM -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > >Wow, this looks like a good one.... > >Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper > > > > I saw this item for sale at eBayMotors, The World's Online Marketplace TM, >and thought that you might be interested. > > > > Title of item: Pietenpol Air Camper > > Seller: beepilot > > Starts: Aug-28-03 20:00:00 PDT > > Ends: Sep-04-03 20:00:00 PDT > > Price: Currently $500.00 > > To bid on the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2429974094 > > > > > > Item Description: > > > > Pietenpol Air Camper > > > > I am listing this Pietenpol project for Kevin, who needs the hanger space. >This would make a great starting point for someone wanting to build a "1937 >Air camper" I >don't personally know the details, but the workmanship looks great. >The plans are there, along with some pictures of the build process. > > > > > > Vehicle Condition > > > > > > This is a partially built project. > > > > Plans are listed as >"1937 Air Camper with a 1960 Corvair Engine" > > > > Always been indoors >and with no apparent damage to the structures. > > > > Photo's can be >viewed at http://www.steve.dewright.us/Pietenpol/index.htm > > > > If you have any >questions contact Kevin at 1-636-926-0039 > > Or e-mail me and >I'll do my best to answer any questions. > > > > > > Terms of Sale > > > > > > Paypal, US Postal Money Order, orCash. 25% of winning >bid must be paid within 3 days of auction ending. The balances due at time >of pick up or after arrangements are made for shipping.Buyer must >arrange all shipping. Buyer must pick up or have shipping arrangements made >within an agreeable time frame. > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > > ---------------------------------


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    Time: 02:09:30 PM PST US
    From: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> Whadda ya mean, bugs fly faster than Aircampers. Haven't you seen them on the REAR of propellors? JimV. dpilot@yahoo.com John Dilatush <dilatush@amigo.net> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet ++++++++++++++++++++++ Yup Chuck, That remark about Piets taking a bird strike from the rear, will also go into a newsletter! John ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Suprising to me, I've been getting a lot of positive responses about > these flying stories. Here's one that actually happened in mid May. I make notes > in my Pilot Log, about each flight, so that when I'm no longer able to fly > (yes, we will all get there), I'll be able to relive flying this wonderful > airplane. This event took less than a minute to unfold, but it is rather humorous. > It was an afternoon test flight, kinda bumpy conditions, especially when > I was trying to see how the plane trims out, at various airspeeds. I have > since found that my plane trims out nicely at 1900 rpm for a 70 mph level cruise. > What still amazes me, is that if I add just 100 rpm, up to 2000 rpm, the > nose will pitch up slightly and go into a shallow climb. On the other end, if I > reduce it by just 100 rpm, to 1800 rpm, it will slightly pitch down into a > shallow decent. The balance and control feel of a Pietenpol is such that you > easily become one with the plane. > Anyway, I was in an area about 5 or 10 miles west of El Dorado Lake. > It's a sparsely populated area with plenty of fields, where an emergency landing > could be made. I've often seen birds while flying, some that seemed to be too > close for comfort. I've heard tell, that Pietenpols sometimes take a bird > strike...from the REAR !! Last year, I was taking a friend a ride in a spam > can C-150, and we spotted a Bald Eagle, well off in the distance, but easily > recognizable. I noted that in my log book. > On this occasion I spotted a hawk, off my 11 O'clock, maybe half mile > away, and several hundred feet lower altitude. I thought...Hummm...I wonder how > close I could get to him, if I sneak up on him with a low power setting, > however probably not a wise thing to do. My wisdom succumbed to my curiosity, and > I pulled power to around 1500 rpm. The exhaust noise was very significantly > reduced, but the wind noise was still evident, so I pitched the nose up a > little, to slow down and maintained a glide speed of 45 or 50 mph, where the wind > noise is reduced. As I approached him, keeping him at my 10 to 11 O'clock, I > couldn't really tell what his heading was. Our bretherns in flight, Hawks and > Eagles, are among the most graceful creatures on earth, tuned to their > environment. As I got closer, I could see he was having no problem with the bumpy > thermals, and was in full control with a twitch of his wing tips, and tail. I > could now tell he was on approximately the same heading as I was. He was > looking down, and was probably thinking "look at how those damned humans have > ruined my land". Either that, or "I've got to find a big fat grain fed mouse". > He certainly did not see my approach. I was coming up quickly now, and when he > was at my 9 O'clock, less than 100', and maybe 30' lower, he turned and > looked me right in the eye, and his eyes got bigger than his head !! He instantly > turned into a ruffled ball of feathers, and squirted a white glob out of his > six !! I am certain that it fell on someone's newly waxed vehicle !! In a > heartbeat, he gathered himself back together in a 90 banked left turn, and > slowly disappeared in the distance. I just didn't have the heart to turn and > follow him. Maybe I gave him an appreciation of how his prey feels, just before he > strikes them. Maybe I've made him a better hunter. I can only hope he > didn't pull a muscle, or something... > > Chuck Gantzer > every flight is an adventure !! > > ---------------------------------


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    Time: 05:50:12 PM PST US
    From: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
    Subject: The Hawk, and the Sneaky Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca> Nice story Chuck, Thanks One of my favourite mental images is looking down from the back seat of a PA 12 with my young son beside me. He had the headset and was talking with Ken as we flew. I just had earmuffs on and was just enjoying the view. Early spring seeding time, broken cloud, shafts of sunlight illuminating the ground in ever changing light patterns. Gorgeous! A hawk was caught for a moment in a shaft of sunlight just as we passed over him by about 150'. He looked like a bronze sculpture polished by many admiring hands. I wish I could print that picture. The joys of flight. John Mc




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