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1. 05:15 AM - Error (Isablcorky@aol.com)
2. 06:22 AM - Aircraft ID (Greg Cardinal)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: Model A questions (Robert Haines)
4. 07:51 AM - Re: Aircraft ID (Gadd, Skip)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts (Steve Eldredge)
6. 09:51 AM - Plan Error ()
7. 11:26 AM - Additional question (Greg Cardinal)
8. 04:03 PM - Re: Additional question (Steve Eldredge)
9. 04:37 PM - Re: Additional question ()
10. 08:06 PM - Re: Aircraft ID (Rcaprd@aol.com)
11. 08:29 PM - Re: Aircraft ID (John McNarry)
12. 08:45 PM - Re: Aircraft ID (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
13. 08:58 PM - Strut/Gear Attachment Fittings (CraigAlanCarter@aol.com)
14. 09:42 PM - More pics posted (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
15. 10:18 PM - AS&S - cable pictures (DJ Vegh)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
That "Piet for Sale" message as shown on the digest today is in error. That
message was sent to the net several weeks ago, not yesterday. Someone is
messing around with my computer signals.
I received a message yesterday stating I sent a message with a virus to an
address I 've never heard of. I don't know enough about this machine to correct
it but believe me something stranger that ole Corky is going on
Ole Corky in La
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@startribune.com>
Gentlemen,
Bob Whittier is putting together an article with photos from Brodhead.
He has pictures of Piets, two of which need need the ID's of the
owners.
One is the Piet with the uncowled A-65 motor, color of the aircraft is
red.
The other is a Cont. powered Piet, colors are red and white. Top half
of the cowl and the spinner are white. The inner 6 inches of each prop
blade are white. The eyebrows appear to be white but that is unverified.
I think this may be Chuck Gantzer's plane but I'm not sure.
Skip Gadd, or anyone else on the list, can you tell me the names of the
owners of these two airplanes?
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
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| Subject: | Re: Model A questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
There are pistons available for the Model A up to 0.125 oversize, although I
remember hearing somewhere that it may not be the best idea. As I recall,
the rule of thumb was after 0.080, it was a good idea to have them sleeved.
Regardless, I haven't heard anything negative about sleeves, actually
sleeves were always discussed to me in a positive manner. It just seems it
would require additional machine work. I've always turned to Mac's or
Snyders catalogs for help with these questions, but don't have one in front
of me at this time.
Obviously, all my information is not from personal experience or
experimentation, so to a scientist, it wouldn't be worth much.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
P.S. - I do have a spare Model A engine I considered redoing for a Super
Ace, but I have since dropped that project. The block is in acceptable
condition (at 0.020 or 0.040 over, can't remember) but one cylinder is
sleeved due to some nasty event unknown to me. The engine is available.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Greg,
Believe the red and white Cont. Piet is Chuck Gantzer's, he will probably
chime in and let you know.
I remember the other uncowled Cont. Piet, parked on the end a couple down
from Larry Williams. I will check my pictures at home and let you know
tonight, if no one else has answered before then.
Skip
PS The pictures of your and Dales Piet are great!
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| Subject: | Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Except in turbulence. Then they keep your wings from folding.
Steve (stating the obvious... very obvious in gusty winds) E.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dpilot
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
Remember, the only thing that your lift struts do is keep your flying
wires tight.
After you get flying you would be OK without any struts
JimV.
DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
Thanks Larry.
I also purchased the Skytek jury strut kit. I like the streamline
extrusion they send with it.... looks good.
I'm not sure how I will terminate the ends on my struts but your method
sounds good.
DJ
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From: Prange Larry J CONT PSNS
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J CONT PSNS
Hey DJ!
I like your web site and your graphic-design skills a lot! I am very
pleased with the Skytek struts. The only thing that I might change is
the
number of end fitting mounting bolts that I used on each. I might
decrease
the number, by one, for each fitting. Sometimes I get a bit carried away
when I am not sure about the strength of something. Maybe one of the
guys
on the list, with a structural engineering background, could tell us how
many bolts would be an adequate number . . .
For each strut end fitting I used a pair of 'nested' (one inside the
other)
lengths of square, 0.065", 4130 tube. I then put a short length of very
thick, 4130 rod, perpendicular, at the end and wrapped part of the
square
stock around it before welding, for the end mounting bolt to go through.
After welding, I drilled out the short tube, which deforms under the
heat,
to accommodate size of the end mounting bolt.
I also used the Skytek Jury Strut kit. The kit consists of a couple of
six
foot long lengths (I think they were six feet . . .) of 6061-T6, small
streamlined tubing, AN nuts and bolts, aluminum support blocks and
instructions. They look good and are very much worth the price.
- Gotta finish the Honey-Doos so I can get back to work on the Piet . .
.
Larry Prange - NX1929A
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Time: 10:34:38 AM PST US
From: "DJ Vegh"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
Larry,
I'm using the same Skytek struts. Are you glad you went that route?
anything
you would do differently about them in afterthought?
DJ
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Has anyone else notice this?
The drawing labeled Inside Center Strut Fitting on Drawing No. 1, 1933 Improved
Air Camper plans, has four holes: the first is 5/16th of an inch from the
bottom; the second is 1-3/8th of an inch from the first; the third is 1 inch
from the second; the fourth is 3/4th of an inch from the third.
Now, look on Drawing No. 6 at the section entitled Complete Wing Strut Details
for the Improved Air Camper this fitting is shown with the first and second
holes spaced at 1-5/8th of an inch apart not the 1-3/8th of an inch on Drawing
No. 1.
I think I will add the 1/4 of an inch between the holes, as it seems to make
the fitting fit my fuselage better.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
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| Subject: | Additional question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@startribune.com>
For Bob Whittier's article I also need the city and state locations of
the owners of the planes in his pictures.
Where do the following people live:
Larry Williams
Jim Kinsella
Chuck Gantzer
Name and location of the owner of the uncowled, A-65 powered
Pietenpol.
Thanks, Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Additional question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Where is the article going to appear?
Stevee.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional question
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal"
<gcardinal@startribune.com>
For Bob Whittier's article I also need the city and state locations of
the owners of the planes in his pictures.
Where do the following people live:
Larry Williams
Jim Kinsella
Chuck Gantzer
Name and location of the owner of the uncowled, A-65 powered
Pietenpol.
Thanks, Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Re: Additional question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Most likely EAA's Experimenter. Bob writes a monthly column and there is
usually a mention of Pietenpols after Brodhead.
Greg
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From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Additional question
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
>
> Where is the article going to appear?
>
> Stevee.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> Cardinal
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional question
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal"
> <gcardinal@startribune.com>
>
> For Bob Whittier's article I also need the city and state locations of
> the owners of the planes in his pictures.
>
> Where do the following people live:
>
> Larry Williams
> Jim Kinsella
> Chuck Gantzer
> Name and location of the owner of the uncowled, A-65 powered
> Pietenpol.
>
> Thanks, Greg Cardinal
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/4/03 8:22:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
gcardinal@startribune.com writes:
<< The other is a Cont. powered Piet, colors are red and white. Top half
of the cowl and the spinner are white. The inner 6 inches of each prop
blade are white. The eyebrows appear to be white but that is unverified.
I think this may be Chuck Gantzer's plane but I'm not sure. >>
Greg,
Yes, I think that would be my plane. The whole nose section where the engine
sticks thru, is white...eyebrows, valve covers, skull cap spinner, exhaust
pipes, and the inboard portion of the prop. Then the white blends into two
white stripes down the red sides. My plane is a chameleon of sorts. Front view
shows a red airplane, with red leading edges of the wing and stab and white
nose. The bottom of the wing, stab, and fuse is all silver, so flying overhead
it is silver. I put red & silver starburst on the top of the wing and stab,
citabria style, so from above it looks like red & silver. That way a plane
above me will think - "Hey, that's an airbatic plane down there...he might pitch
up into a loop...I better move further away !!"
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Wichita, Kansas
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
I like the colour scheme justification Chuck. Especially the starburst
to scare away faster planes.
John
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/4/03 8:22:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
gcardinal@startribune.com writes:
<< The other is a Cont. powered Piet, colors are red and white. Top half
of the cowl and the spinner are white. The inner 6 inches of each prop
blade are white. The eyebrows appear to be white but that is
unverified.
I think this may be Chuck Gantzer's plane but I'm not sure. >>
Greg,
Yes, I think that would be my plane. The whole nose section where the
engine
sticks thru, is white...eyebrows, valve covers, skull cap spinner,
exhaust
pipes, and the inboard portion of the prop. Then the white blends into
two
white stripes down the red sides. My plane is a chameleon of sorts.
Front view
shows a red airplane, with red leading edges of the wing and stab and
white
nose. The bottom of the wing, stab, and fuse is all silver, so flying
overhead
it is silver. I put red & silver starburst on the top of the wing and
stab,
citabria style, so from above it looks like red & silver. That way a
plane
above me will think - "Hey, that's an airbatic plane down there...he
might pitch
up into a loop...I better move further away !!"
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Wichita, Kansas
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
In a message dated 9/4/2003 10:29:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
jmcnarry@escape.ca writes:
> I like the colour scheme justification Chuck. Especially the starburst
> to scare away faster planes
AND UN-SUSPECTING HAWKS!!!!
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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| Subject: | Strut/Gear Attachment Fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com
I have just completed the strut/gear attachment fittings. I have some concern
that the fore and aft weld across the fitting along the line of the bend may
be a weak point. Basically, are you not relying on the equivalent of a welded
joint to carry the strut loads?
In addition, I ended up with the bolt holes on the bottom of the fitting
being very close to the end of the Ash 1X2 crosspiece. I can get the inside "L"
shaped bracket on and the nuts, but it is still very close. Would this present
a
weak spot since the holes are so close to the end of the board? I though I
would put on the "chicken straps" to compensate.
Thanks for any input,
CraigAlanCarter@AOL.com
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| Subject: | More pics posted |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Hi Piet folks.
I just posted some more pics of my project. They are some of the parts I
have acquired or bought.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=143
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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| Subject: | AS&S - cable pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor
manufacture of the cables.
keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday.
Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the
tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages
and these are not it.
Would anyone here trust these on major components??
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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