---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/04/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:15 AM - Error (Isablcorky@aol.com) 2. 06:22 AM - Aircraft ID (Greg Cardinal) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Model A questions (Robert Haines) 4. 07:51 AM - Re: Aircraft ID (Gadd, Skip) 5. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts (Steve Eldredge) 6. 09:51 AM - Plan Error () 7. 11:26 AM - Additional question (Greg Cardinal) 8. 04:03 PM - Re: Additional question (Steve Eldredge) 9. 04:37 PM - Re: Additional question () 10. 08:06 PM - Re: Aircraft ID (Rcaprd@aol.com) 11. 08:29 PM - Re: Aircraft ID (John McNarry) 12. 08:45 PM - Re: Aircraft ID (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 13. 08:58 PM - Strut/Gear Attachment Fittings (CraigAlanCarter@aol.com) 14. 09:42 PM - More pics posted (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 15. 10:18 PM - AS&S - cable pictures (DJ Vegh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:26 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Error --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, That "Piet for Sale" message as shown on the digest today is in error. That message was sent to the net several weeks ago, not yesterday. Someone is messing around with my computer signals. I received a message yesterday stating I sent a message with a virus to an address I 've never heard of. I don't know enough about this machine to correct it but believe me something stranger that ole Corky is going on Ole Corky in La ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:08 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" Gentlemen, Bob Whittier is putting together an article with photos from Brodhead. He has pictures of Piets, two of which need need the ID's of the owners. One is the Piet with the uncowled A-65 motor, color of the aircraft is red. The other is a Cont. powered Piet, colors are red and white. Top half of the cowl and the spinner are white. The inner 6 inches of each prop blade are white. The eyebrows appear to be white but that is unverified. I think this may be Chuck Gantzer's plane but I'm not sure. Skip Gadd, or anyone else on the list, can you tell me the names of the owners of these two airplanes? Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:57 AM PST US From: "Robert Haines" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" There are pistons available for the Model A up to 0.125 oversize, although I remember hearing somewhere that it may not be the best idea. As I recall, the rule of thumb was after 0.080, it was a good idea to have them sleeved. Regardless, I haven't heard anything negative about sleeves, actually sleeves were always discussed to me in a positive manner. It just seems it would require additional machine work. I've always turned to Mac's or Snyders catalogs for help with these questions, but don't have one in front of me at this time. Obviously, all my information is not from personal experience or experimentation, so to a scientist, it wouldn't be worth much. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois P.S. - I do have a spare Model A engine I considered redoing for a Super Ace, but I have since dropped that project. The block is in acceptable condition (at 0.020 or 0.040 over, can't remember) but one cylinder is sleeved due to some nasty event unknown to me. The engine is available. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:47 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Greg, Believe the red and white Cont. Piet is Chuck Gantzer's, he will probably chime in and let you know. I remember the other uncowled Cont. Piet, parked on the end a couple down from Larry Williams. I will check my pictures at home and let you know tonight, if no one else has answered before then. Skip PS The pictures of your and Dales Piet are great! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Except in turbulence. Then they keep your wings from folding. Steve (stating the obvious... very obvious in gusty winds) E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dpilot Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot Remember, the only thing that your lift struts do is keep your flying wires tight. After you get flying you would be OK without any struts JimV. DJ Vegh wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" Thanks Larry. I also purchased the Skytek jury strut kit. I like the streamline extrusion they send with it.... looks good. I'm not sure how I will terminate the ends on my struts but your method sounds good. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Prange Larry J CONT PSNS Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J CONT PSNS Hey DJ! I like your web site and your graphic-design skills a lot! I am very pleased with the Skytek struts. The only thing that I might change is the number of end fitting mounting bolts that I used on each. I might decrease the number, by one, for each fitting. Sometimes I get a bit carried away when I am not sure about the strength of something. Maybe one of the guys on the list, with a structural engineering background, could tell us how many bolts would be an adequate number . . . For each strut end fitting I used a pair of 'nested' (one inside the other) lengths of square, 0.065", 4130 tube. I then put a short length of very thick, 4130 rod, perpendicular, at the end and wrapped part of the square stock around it before welding, for the end mounting bolt to go through. After welding, I drilled out the short tube, which deforms under the heat, to accommodate size of the end mounting bolt. I also used the Skytek Jury Strut kit. The kit consists of a couple of six foot long lengths (I think they were six feet . . .) of 6061-T6, small streamlined tubing, AN nuts and bolts, aluminum support blocks and instructions. They look good and are very much worth the price. - Gotta finish the Honey-Doos so I can get back to work on the Piet . . . Larry Prange - NX1929A ******************************************************** Time: 10:34:38 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" Larry, I'm using the same Skytek struts. Are you glad you went that route? anything you would do differently about them in afterthought? DJ = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:47 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan Error --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Has anyone else notice this? The drawing labeled Inside Center Strut Fitting on Drawing No. 1, 1933 Improved Air Camper plans, has four holes: the first is 5/16th of an inch from the bottom; the second is 1-3/8th of an inch from the first; the third is 1 inch from the second; the fourth is 3/4th of an inch from the third. Now, look on Drawing No. 6 at the section entitled Complete Wing Strut Details for the Improved Air Camper this fitting is shown with the first and second holes spaced at 1-5/8th of an inch apart not the 1-3/8th of an inch on Drawing No. 1. I think I will add the 1/4 of an inch between the holes, as it seems to make the fitting fit my fuselage better. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:03 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" For Bob Whittier's article I also need the city and state locations of the owners of the planes in his pictures. Where do the following people live: Larry Williams Jim Kinsella Chuck Gantzer Name and location of the owner of the uncowled, A-65 powered Pietenpol. Thanks, Greg Cardinal ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Additional question From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Where is the article going to appear? Stevee. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" For Bob Whittier's article I also need the city and state locations of the owners of the planes in his pictures. Where do the following people live: Larry Williams Jim Kinsella Chuck Gantzer Name and location of the owner of the uncowled, A-65 powered Pietenpol. Thanks, Greg Cardinal ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:21 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Additional question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Most likely EAA's Experimenter. Bob writes a monthly column and there is usually a mention of Pietenpols after Brodhead. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Eldredge" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Additional question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" > > Where is the article going to appear? > > Stevee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg > Cardinal > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional question > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" > > > For Bob Whittier's article I also need the city and state locations of > the owners of the planes in his pictures. > > Where do the following people live: > > Larry Williams > Jim Kinsella > Chuck Gantzer > Name and location of the owner of the uncowled, A-65 powered > Pietenpol. > > Thanks, Greg Cardinal > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:40 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/03 8:22:31 AM Central Daylight Time, gcardinal@startribune.com writes: << The other is a Cont. powered Piet, colors are red and white. Top half of the cowl and the spinner are white. The inner 6 inches of each prop blade are white. The eyebrows appear to be white but that is unverified. I think this may be Chuck Gantzer's plane but I'm not sure. >> Greg, Yes, I think that would be my plane. The whole nose section where the engine sticks thru, is white...eyebrows, valve covers, skull cap spinner, exhaust pipes, and the inboard portion of the prop. Then the white blends into two white stripes down the red sides. My plane is a chameleon of sorts. Front view shows a red airplane, with red leading edges of the wing and stab and white nose. The bottom of the wing, stab, and fuse is all silver, so flying overhead it is silver. I put red & silver starburst on the top of the wing and stab, citabria style, so from above it looks like red & silver. That way a plane above me will think - "Hey, that's an airbatic plane down there...he might pitch up into a loop...I better move further away !!" Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:03 PM PST US From: "John McNarry" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" I like the colour scheme justification Chuck. Especially the starburst to scare away faster planes. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/03 8:22:31 AM Central Daylight Time, gcardinal@startribune.com writes: << The other is a Cont. powered Piet, colors are red and white. Top half of the cowl and the spinner are white. The inner 6 inches of each prop blade are white. The eyebrows appear to be white but that is unverified. I think this may be Chuck Gantzer's plane but I'm not sure. >> Greg, Yes, I think that would be my plane. The whole nose section where the engine sticks thru, is white...eyebrows, valve covers, skull cap spinner, exhaust pipes, and the inboard portion of the prop. Then the white blends into two white stripes down the red sides. My plane is a chameleon of sorts. Front view shows a red airplane, with red leading edges of the wing and stab and white nose. The bottom of the wing, stab, and fuse is all silver, so flying overhead it is silver. I put red & silver starburst on the top of the wing and stab, citabria style, so from above it looks like red & silver. That way a plane above me will think - "Hey, that's an airbatic plane down there...he might pitch up into a loop...I better move further away !!" Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:08 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft ID --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/2003 10:29:49 PM Central Daylight Time, jmcnarry@escape.ca writes: > I like the colour scheme justification Chuck. Especially the starburst > to scare away faster planes AND UN-SUSPECTING HAWKS!!!! Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:52 PM PST US From: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut/Gear Attachment Fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com I have just completed the strut/gear attachment fittings. I have some concern that the fore and aft weld across the fitting along the line of the bend may be a weak point. Basically, are you not relying on the equivalent of a welded joint to carry the strut loads? In addition, I ended up with the bolt holes on the bottom of the fitting being very close to the end of the Ash 1X2 crosspiece. I can get the inside "L" shaped bracket on and the nuts, but it is still very close. Would this present a weak spot since the holes are so close to the end of the board? I though I would put on the "chicken straps" to compensate. Thanks for any input, CraigAlanCarter@AOL.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:03 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: More pics posted --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Hi Piet folks. I just posted some more pics of my project. They are some of the parts I have acquired or bought. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=143 Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:05 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor manufacture of the cables. keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages and these are not it. Would anyone here trust these on major components?? http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper -