---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/05/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (Ed Grentzer) 2. 07:41 AM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (Christian Bobka) 3. 07:57 AM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (Greg Cardinal) 4. 11:23 AM - Gear/Strut Fitting (CraigAlanCarter@aol.com) 5. 12:42 PM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (Jim Ash) 6. 02:13 PM - spruce suppliers (Jeff Cours) 7. 02:37 PM - Re: spruce suppliers (Isablcorky@aol.com) 8. 03:42 PM - Re: spruce suppliers (Jeff Cours) 9. 03:42 PM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (Hubbard, Eugene) 10. 04:19 PM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (w b evans) 11. 05:42 PM - Re: a little late landing last night........ (Michael Conkling) 12. 06:15 PM - Re: spruce suppliers (del magsam) 13. 06:44 PM - Re: a little late landing last night........ (Ted Brousseau) 14. 08:08 PM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (Al Latham) 15. 08:20 PM - Re: was John F - now brass screws (DJ Vegh) 16. 08:48 PM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (DJ Vegh) 17. 08:50 PM - swedge question??? (Al Latham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:31 AM PST US From: "Ed Grentzer" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" DJ I've been sailing and working on sailboats for 30 years and I've considered useing sailboat cables on my Piet because the shop that makes the cables up is 5 miles from me and their workmanship is top notch ( sailboat cables carry unbelieveable loads). But I didn't because they were not " aircraft" fittings. I have never seen such sorry swages as the ones you just posted. It looks like they have used a fitting one size bigger than the cable. The top edge of the fitting should be compressed tight enough to the cable to be almost water tight. Yours look like you could stick a toothpick between the cable and the fitting!!! And the tool marks!! it looks like they used a swageing die that matches the size of the cable...not the oversized fitting. You're right..do not use those cables for anything but maybe tying up your dog. You need to send those pictures to someone at ACS! >From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:19:22 -0700 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > >per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor >manufacture of the cables. > >keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > >Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the >tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages >and these are not it. > >Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > >http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > >DJ Vegh >N74DV >Mesa, AZ >www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > >- > > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:46 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" DJ, Send them back and make them do it again. Just from the pictures, they are unairworthy. Chris bobka A&P with Inspection Authorization ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor > manufacture of the cables. > > keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the > tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages > and these are not it. > > Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > - > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:36 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" And specify that the cables must meet the requirements of AC 43.13 Side note: I had cables swaged at a boat shop, there were tooling marks but the dimensions were proper. Pull testing, per AC 43.13, was satisfactory so I kept 'em. Greg Cardinal >>> bobka@compuserve.com 09/05/03 09:40AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" DJ, Send them back and make them do it again. Just from the pictures, they are unairworthy. Chris bobka A&P with Inspection Authorization ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor > manufacture of the cables. > > keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the > tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages > and these are not it. > > Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > - > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:14 AM PST US From: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear/Strut Fitting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com Dear Arthur: Thanks for the response. My fittings measure about 121 degrees. I did not have problems with cracking, but did use a pretty large bend radius. I don't think the piece that has the 121 degree bend will carry much tension load, but the bottom piece will. That is why I a worried about the fore and aft weld at the bend line (combined with the weld around the 1" hinge lug) ruining the integrity of the fitting. I figured the 121 degree bend by mocking up a spar over the fuselage and measuring out to where the strut will attach on the upper end. I figured this with the wing 2" higher than on the plans. With regard to the main wheel placement- I have read what seems like hundreds of Matronics posts and have decided to go with the main wheel center 1" forward of the plans. My method of deciding this was completely unscientific, and I hope it works out. I am using a split gear as per the Improved Aircamper plans, with brakes. Thanks Again, Craig ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:13 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash ... as long as you don't like the dog. I''d send them back with a copy of the page from 43.13 (Paragraph 196 in my copy). Highlight the line in figure 4.3 for your cable. Technically, the figure shows shank diameter, not maximum shank diameter, but c'mon. Either way this one doesn't cut it. Send them direct to Jim Irwin, with a copy of the caliper JPG from your web site. Ask him in your letter if he would fly with this cable (You get extra brownie points if you ask him if he's suicidal). Maybe they just don't have a copy of AC 43.13. I think I bought my last copy from them years back, and maybe they're still out of stock. I hope this isn't hold things up for you; it's been getting dark noticably earlier here lately. Jim Ash At 9/5/2003 01:05 PM +0000, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" ... >fitting. You're right..do not use those cables for anything but maybe tying >up your dog. You need to send those pictures to someone at ACS! > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:19:22 -0700 > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > >per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor > >manufacture of the cables. > > > >keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > > >Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the > >tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages > >and these are not it. > > > >Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > > >http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > > >DJ Vegh > >N74DV > >Mesa, AZ > >www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > >- > > > > > >Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:57 PM PST US From: Jeff Cours Subject: Pietenpol-List: spruce suppliers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours Hi, everyone - The work table is done enough that I can start ordering some spruce. Any recommendations for suppliers, especially ones on or near the west coast? It looks like there are some very interesting ones in the midwest, but I'd like to see if there's a way to shorten the shipping distance. thanks very much, Jeff C ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:38 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce suppliers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Jeff, I've had excellent service and quality from Edensaw in Port Townsend, Washington. My first Piet I used Douglas Fir and for Repiet I ordered Sitka Spruce, 6 pcs 2X6, 16 ft long. More than enough for a Piet. You will have to have use of a large table saw for riping, large joiner and planer. Cost was $8.50 bd ft. If you calculate the cost by bd ft of the spruce in the supply catalogs you will pay in excess of $25. Freight was about $125 from Wa to La. If interested, contact me direct for the man to contact etc. Corky in La ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:02 PM PST US From: Jeff Cours Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce suppliers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > I've had excellent service and quality from Edensaw in Port Townsend, > Washington. My first Piet I used Douglas Fir and for Repiet I > ordered Sitka Spruce, 6 pcs 2X6, 16 ft long. More than enough for a > Piet. You will have to have use of a large table saw for riping, > large joiner and planer. Interesting thought. Thanks, Corky, I may wind up contacting you for that info. I'm going to have to think about it for a bit, though -- not sure I could fit a large table saw and a joiner/planer in my shop. Hmm. I wonder how hard it'd be to mill the lumber with a bandsaw and a long-ish hand plane. Might be tough to keep capstrip accurate... - Jeff ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:55 PM PST US From: "Hubbard, Eugene" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? -----Original Message----- From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot Actually, "John" has a point. I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no problems. I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with changing the plans. JimV. John Ford wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to heart... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. he sends me an email today saying " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and less time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative deleted) are you?" Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you folks on this list. I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who likes to share with others. I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in 2 years. I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may generate. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:39 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Don't know about Jim, but I used #8 brass screws ( guess the #7 went out in the '30's). and I did put on jury struts. And I'll be in the skys tomorrow early AM. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hubbard, Eugene" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... > By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > Actually, "John" has a point. > I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of > mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no > problems. > I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to > be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with > changing the plans. > > JimV. > > > John Ford wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you > expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody > else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad > and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his > not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that > your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by > everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet > (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about > issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I > hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and > see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all > share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have > different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to > heart... > > John > > John Ford > john@indstate.edu > 812-237-8542 > > > >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy > who > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > > he sends me an email today saying > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I > have > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after > two > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and > less > time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the > (explative > deleted) are you?" > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I > do > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with > you > folks on this list. > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual > who > likes to share with others. > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a > Piet in > 2 years. > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this > may > generate. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:46 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" Hey Mike, I think you get a 1/2 hour after sunset & before sunrise ("civil twlight") for VFR (before you need the Nav. lights) -- they UL guys need to be down by sunset! ;-) Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Group-- I was coming back from a fellow pilot's nice farm strip west of > Cleveland last evening in the Pietenpol and had a little headwind, left a > little late, and got to my home airport a little later than usual. Boy > those city lights looked beautiful ! An ultralight that was out of our > airport had keyed the runway lights to come on just about when I arrived > and that made it even nicer. I hadn't flown this close to night in a > while and what struck me funny is how many of those cell phone towers have > strobes on them and blink all over the vista of your view like a low level > fireworks show here, there, and everywhere. What is legal VFR > anyway.....sunset or 30 minutes past ? (good thing he didn't ask me that > on my flight review a few weeks ago !) I don't make a habit of flying > that late, but haven't you guys noticed that the dog gone sunset time has > gotten waaaay too early these days ? Get all the flying in you can, Walt > Evans in NJ. Those boys in Texas and Louisianna and Florida can fly all > year long, but it gets nippy towards sunset in Ohio these next few months > and the sunset makes me leave work early sometimes ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:09 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce suppliers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam To save a TON of time, and have a super accurite piet, a delta 12 inch table top planer for $400 will plane everything from the spars to the rib material. I wouldn't even dream of doing the project without it. with a block plane its all hand fitting, with a small planer the wood thicknesses are accurite enough to make all cuts at once, production is the word. Del --- Jeff Cours wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours > > > Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > > I've had excellent service and quality from > Edensaw in Port Townsend, > > Washington. My first Piet I used Douglas Fir and > for Repiet I > > ordered Sitka Spruce, 6 pcs 2X6, 16 ft long. More > than enough for a > > Piet. You will have to have use of a large table > saw for riping, > > large joiner and planer. > > Interesting thought. Thanks, Corky, I may wind up > contacting you for > that info. I'm going to have to think about it for a > bit, though -- not > sure I could fit a large table saw and a > joiner/planer in my shop. > > Hmm. I wonder how hard it'd be to mill the lumber > with a bandsaw and a > long-ish hand plane. Might be tough to keep capstrip > accurate... > > - Jeff > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:06 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Mike, Nice to hear you are out there terrorizing the countryside. I love watching the sunsets over the Gulf from the my perch in the sky in the fall and winter. I try to time down wind with the sun sinking below the water. Haven't caught the green flash yet. But, having said that, I just know you had it on the ground by Sunset. That is the last time for legally flying a plane without position lights. (FAR 91.209) The confusion probably comes with the rule that says you have to be night current. (FAR 61.57) It says you can't fly from an hour after sunset till an hour before sunrise with a passenger unless you have done 3 takeoffs _and_ 3 landings during that same time period within the past 90 days. On my way home from OSH in 99 I landed after dark on one leg. I was greeted by the manager (and CFI) of the airport and he looked at his watch and said, "It is 29 minutes after sunset. You just made it." Go figure. Ted Brousseau CFI Naples, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Group-- I was coming back from a fellow pilot's nice farm strip west of > Cleveland last evening in the Pietenpol and had a little headwind, left a > little late, and got to my home airport a little later than usual. Boy > those city lights looked beautiful ! An ultralight that was out of our > airport had keyed the runway lights to come on just about when I arrived > and that made it even nicer. I hadn't flown this close to night in a > while and what struck me funny is how many of those cell phone towers have > strobes on them and blink all over the vista of your view like a low level > fireworks show here, there, and everywhere. What is legal VFR > anyway.....sunset or 30 minutes past ? (good thing he didn't ask me that > on my flight review a few weeks ago !) I don't make a habit of flying > that late, but haven't you guys noticed that the dog gone sunset time has > gotten waaaay too early these days ? Get all the flying in you can, Walt > Evans in NJ. Those boys in Texas and Louisianna and Florida can fly all > year long, but it gets nippy towards sunset in Ohio these next few months > and the sunset makes me leave work early sometimes ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:30 PM PST US From: "Al Latham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" DJ, I'm certainly not saying to use them but I would love to see what they pull tested to... Maybe someone should send them a cable done properly. Al Latham ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor > manufacture of the cables. > > keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see the > tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy swages > and these are not it. > > Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > - > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:20 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:was John F - now brass screws --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" you got bigger nuts than me using #8 brass screws to hold on your tail surfaces..... brass is some soft metal..... yikes that makes me cringe. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > Don't know about Jim, but I used #8 brass screws ( guess the #7 went out in > the '30's). and I did put on jury struts. > And I'll be in the skys tomorrow early AM. > walt evans > NX140DL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hubbard, Eugene" > To: > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > > > > So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... > > By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > > > Actually, "John" has a point. > > I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all > of > > mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no > > problems. > > I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to > > be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with > > changing the plans. > > > > JimV. > > > > > > John Ford wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > > > I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you > > expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody > > else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad > > and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his > > not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that > > your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by > > everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet > > (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about > > issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I > > hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and > > see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all > > share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have > > different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to > > heart... > > > > John > > > > John Ford > > john@indstate.edu > > 812-237-8542 > > > > > > >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy > > who > > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > > > > he sends me an email today saying > > > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I > > have > > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after > > two > > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and > > less > > time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the > > (explative > > deleted) are you?" > > > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I > > do > > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my > > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with > > you > > folks on this list. > > > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual > > who > > likes to share with others. > > > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a > > Piet in > > 2 years. > > > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this > > may > > generate. > > > > DJ Vegh > > N74DV > > Mesa, AZ > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:26 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I'd love to pull test one but I don't have the proper rig for such testing. Does anyone on the list have a way of pull testing a cable? DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Latham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" > > DJ, > > I'm certainly not saying to use them but I would love to see what they pull > tested to... > > Maybe someone should send them a cable done properly. > > Al Latham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ Vegh" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > > per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor > > manufacture of the cables. > > > > keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > > > Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see > the > > tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy > swages > > and these are not it. > > > > Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > > > DJ Vegh > > N74DV > > Mesa, AZ > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > - > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:03 PM PST US From: "Al Latham" Subject: Pietenpol-List: swedge question??? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" Guys, I have a question although it is off topic as far as Pietenpols are concerned. I'm about waist deep in the restoration of a Meyer's Little Toot that was built in the mid sixties and last flew in 1983. When I uncovered the wings I found that they had used music wire for the drag and anti-drag wires, I know...SO WHAT... The wire didn't get my attention but the use of Nicropress sleeves instead of the wrapped wire ferules is what struck me as odd. I have never seen anything like it before and am wondering if anyone else has seen this type of set-up. My first instant was to say no way would I fly this thing. But the plane has over 1500 hours on it and has a Lyc.180, it's been raced and extensive acro time, with no signs of slippage. Whoever made them up must of spent a lifetime forming the ends as they fit the thimble as good as any cable. Reguardless I'm not putting them back into service as there is some light corrosion on them and I can't clean them up inside the sleeves. I'll go back to 1/19 cable as per original or maybe go $$$wires. Al Latham