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Sat 09/06/03


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 05:02 AM - Music wire & nicropress sleeves (rhartwig11@juno.com)
     2. 06:39 AM - Wing washout (baileys)
     3. 07:03 AM - Re: Wing washout (Gene Rambo)
     4. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts (Gene Rambo)
     5. 08:40 AM - a little late landing last night........ (Edwin Johnson)
     6. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts (DJ Vegh)
     7. 09:13 AM - Re: a little late landing last night........ (Gene Rambo)
     8. 10:35 AM - Re: a little late landing last night........ (Michael Conkling)
     9. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts (Jack Phillips)
    10. 06:46 PM - Re: Gear/Strut Fitting (Christian Bobka)
    11. 06:55 PM - Re: a little late landing last night........ (Christian Bobka)
    12. 06:58 PM - Re: was John F - now brass screws (Christian Bobka)
    13. 08:37 PM - Re: Gear/Strut Fitting (CraigAlanCarter@aol.com)
    14. 09:50 PM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures ()
    15. 11:15 PM - Re: AS&S - cable pictures (DJ Vegh)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:02:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Music wire & nicropress sleeves
    From: rhartwig11@juno.com
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com Al, One of the Piets at 2003 Brodhead used .071 music wire with nicopress sleeves for the tail brace wires and I believe .090 for the flying wires. The end of the wire was hooked back over the sleeve in the manner used with the wire wrap. That hook probably holds as much as the friction of the sleeve against the wire. Dick Hartwig do not archive Guys, I have a question although it is off topic as far as Pietenpols are concerned. I'm about waist deep in the restoration of a Meyer's Little Toot that was built in the mid sixties and last flew in 1983. When I uncovered the wings I found that they had used music wire for the drag and anti-drag wires, I know...SO WHAT... The wire didn't get my attention but the use of Nicropress sleeves instead of the wrapped wire ferules is what struck me as odd. I have never seen anything like it before and am wondering if anyone else has seen this type of set-up. My first instant was to say no way would I fly this thing. But the plane has over 1500 hours on it and has a Lyc.180, it's been raced and extensive acro time, with no signs of slippage. Whoever made them up must of spent a lifetime forming the ends as they fit the thimble as good as any cable. Reguardless I'm not putting them back into service as there is some light corrosion on them and I can't clean them up inside the sleeves. I'll go back to 1/19 cable as per original or maybe go $$$wires. Al Latham


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    Time: 06:39:47 AM PST US
    From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
    Subject: Wing washout
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> I haven't started construction so I'm spending a lot of armchair time with the plans. My question is; what is the correct amount of washout and how do you establish it? Is it done when the putting the ribs on the spars or while mating the wings to the fuselage? Also what serves as a reference point? Bob B. - Missouri


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    Time: 07:03:26 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing washout
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> I'm not sure the Piet starts out with washout. If it needs any, though, you adjust the strut lengths to give it any washout necessary. Believe me, the wing is flexible enough to accomodate any twist you need without making any alterations to the ribs themselves. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing washout > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> > > I haven't started construction so I'm spending a lot of armchair time with > the plans. > My question is; what is the correct amount of washout and how do you > establish it? Is it done when the putting the ribs on the spars or while > mating the wings to the fuselage? Also what serves as a reference point? > Bob B. - Missouri > >


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    Time: 07:08:11 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
    Subject: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> Jim, this ain't right. The Piet does not have "flying wires." The struts are there to carry the weight of the fuselage. The wires between the struts are drag and anti-drag wires, just like the ones in the wing itself, and the airplane would not fly fine without struts. It could, however, probably do quite well without one or two of the drag wires. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "dpilot" <dpilot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> > > Remember, the only thing that your lift struts do is keep your flying wires tight. > After you get flying you would be OK without any struts > JimV. >


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    Time: 08:40:26 AM PST US
    From: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net>
    Subject: a little late landing last night........
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net> > > Hey Mike, > > I think you get a 1/2 hour after sunset & before sunrise ("civil twlight") > for VFR (before you need the Nav. lights) -- they UL guys need to be down by > sunset! ;-) Actually, no: 1. CFR 91.209 states from sunset to sunrise aircraft lights are needed. 2. CFR 61.57 night currency for the pilot is from 1 hour after sunset to 1 hour before sunrise. The wisdom of the FAA apparently changed FAR's to CFR's (Code of Federal Regulations), and I'm sure all that paper work kept someone's job. You can get there from the www.faa.gov site through a couple of links, but the direct link to the regs, which allow you to browse by part # and paragraph is below. Really a neat use of the net for the regs. www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfrv2_00.html As a somewhat humorous aside, the tower at DTN on two different flights when flight testing Corky's Piet, asked me if I had lights since I had arrived back at the aiport slightly after sunset. :) My reply was, 'not yet'. ...Edwin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~ ~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~ ~ ~ ~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ ~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ ~ for there you have been, there you long ~ ~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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    Time: 09:11:38 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> BUT..... if the drag anti-drag wires are attached not to the struts themselves, but to the fuselage fitting and wing spar fitting then it could be true that the wires would also hold some lift load DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> > > Jim, this ain't right. The Piet does not have "flying wires." The struts > are there to carry the weight of the fuselage. The wires between the struts > are drag and anti-drag wires, just like the ones in the wing itself, and the > airplane would not fly fine without struts. It could, however, probably do > quite well without one or two of the drag wires. > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dpilot" <dpilot@yahoo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> > > > > Remember, the only thing that your lift struts do is keep your flying > wires tight. > > After you get flying you would be OK without any struts > > JimV. > > > >


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    Time: 09:13:22 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
    Subject: Re: a little late landing last night........
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> Actually, the regs were always CFR's, they were in the Code of Federal Regulations, part 91, etc. Normal usage called them FARs, and so did the FAA, but there was some confusion with something like the Federal Acquisition Regulations (or Requirements) which was properly called the FARs, so they have stopped using that term for aviation. Of course, you are also right about the sunset stuff, lights required starting at sunset, but logging night time does not start until 1 hour later to make sure it is good and dark. Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Johnson" <elj@shreve.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net> > > > > Hey Mike, > > > > I think you get a 1/2 hour after sunset & before sunrise ("civil twlight") > > for VFR (before you need the Nav. lights) -- they UL guys need to be down by > > sunset! ;-) > > Actually, no: > > 1. CFR 91.209 states from sunset to sunrise aircraft lights are needed. > > 2. CFR 61.57 night currency for the pilot is from 1 hour after sunset to 1 > hour before sunrise. > > The wisdom of the FAA apparently changed FAR's to CFR's (Code of Federal > Regulations), and I'm sure all that paper work kept someone's job. > > You can get there from the www.faa.gov site through a couple of links, but > the direct link to the regs, which allow you to browse by part # and > paragraph is below. Really a neat use of the net for the regs. > > www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfrv2_00.html > > As a somewhat humorous aside, the tower at DTN on two different flights > when flight testing Corky's Piet, asked me if I had lights since I had > arrived back at the aiport slightly after sunset. :) My reply was, 'not > yet'. > > ...Edwin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~ > ~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~ > ~ ~ > ~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ > ~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ > ~ for there you have been, there you long ~ > ~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >


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    Time: 10:35:02 AM PST US
    From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
    Subject: Re: a little late landing last night........
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net> Thanks for the "refresher course"!! -- it's more than the hands-on stuff that gets rusty when you haven't flown for a while! ;-) Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS do not archive


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    Time: 01:04:18 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> You'd better make them bigger than the 3/32" the plans call for, if you're planning on them carrying much in the way of flight loads. Gene's right - the struts carry the flight loads, the wires are just for drag and anti-drag bracing. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> BUT..... if the drag anti-drag wires are attached not to the struts themselves, but to the fuselage fitting and wing spar fitting then it could be true that the wires would also hold some lift load DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> > > Jim, this ain't right. The Piet does not have "flying wires." The struts > are there to carry the weight of the fuselage. The wires between the struts > are drag and anti-drag wires, just like the ones in the wing itself, and the > airplane would not fly fine without struts. It could, however, probably do > quite well without one or two of the drag wires. > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dpilot" <dpilot@yahoo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunday outing - Skytek struts > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> > > > > Remember, the only thing that your lift struts do is keep your flying > wires tight. > > After you get flying you would be OK without any struts > > JimV. > > > >


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    Time: 06:46:14 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: Gear/Strut Fitting
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> craig, which plans do you refer to? chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: <CraigAlanCarter@aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear/Strut Fitting > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com > > Dear Arthur: > Thanks for the response. My fittings measure about 121 degrees. I did not > have problems with cracking, but did use a pretty large bend radius. I don't > think the piece that has the 121 degree bend will carry much tension load, but the > bottom piece will. That is why I a worried about the fore and aft weld at the > bend line (combined with the weld around the 1" hinge lug) ruining the > integrity of the fitting. I figured the 121 degree bend by mocking up a spar over > the fuselage and measuring out to where the strut will attach on the upper end. > I figured this with the wing 2" higher than on the plans. With regard to the > main wheel placement- I have read what seems like hundreds of Matronics posts > and have decided to go with the main wheel center 1" forward of the plans. My > method of deciding this was completely unscientific, and I hope it works out. I > am using a split gear as per the Improved Aircamper plans, with brakes. > Thanks Again, > Craig > >


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    Time: 06:55:16 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: a little late landing last night........
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> not true. Civil twilight rules are only in AK. If the sun is over the horizon, legally, you need nav lights and anticollison light(s). You can fly until an hour after the sun is over the horizon or an hour before it comes up over the horizon if you are not night current, night time for pilot currency being that time after an hour after sunset and prior to an hour before sunrise. Chris bobka CFI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net> > > Hey Mike, > > I think you get a 1/2 hour after sunset & before sunrise ("civil twlight") > for VFR (before you need the Nav. lights) -- they UL guys need to be down by > sunset! ;-) > > Mike C. > Pretty Prairie, KS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little late landing last night........ > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > > Group-- I was coming back from a fellow pilot's nice farm strip west of > > Cleveland last evening in the Pietenpol and had a little headwind, left a > > little late, and got to my home airport a little later than usual. Boy > > those city lights looked beautiful ! An ultralight that was out of our > > airport had keyed the runway lights to come on just about when I arrived > > and that made it even nicer. I hadn't flown this close to night in a > > while and what struck me funny is how many of those cell phone towers have > > strobes on them and blink all over the vista of your view like a low level > > fireworks show here, there, and everywhere. What is legal VFR > > anyway.....sunset or 30 minutes past ? (good thing he didn't ask me that > > on my flight review a few weeks ago !) I don't make a habit of flying > > that late, but haven't you guys noticed that the dog gone sunset time has > > gotten waaaay too early these days ? Get all the flying in you can, Walt > > Evans in NJ. Those boys in Texas and Louisianna and Florida can fly all > > year long, but it gets nippy towards sunset in Ohio these next few months > > and the sunset makes me leave work early sometimes ! > > > > Mike C. > > > > do not archive > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:58:27 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:was John F - now brass screws
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> DJ, Maybe just as the wing bracing cables hold the wing on, the tail bracing cables hold the horizontal on.... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:was John F - now brass screws > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > you got bigger nuts than me using #8 brass screws to hold on your tail > surfaces..... brass is some soft metal..... yikes that makes me cringe. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > - > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > Don't know about Jim, but I used #8 brass screws ( guess the #7 went out > in > > the '30's). and I did put on jury struts. > > And I'll be in the skys tomorrow early AM. > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > <ehubbard@titan.com> > > > > > > So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your > plane... > > > By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com> > > > > > > Actually, "John" has a point. > > > I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built > all > > of > > > mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with > no > > > problems. > > > I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need > to > > > be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with > > > changing the plans. > > > > > > JimV. > > > > > > > > > John Ford <Jford@indstate.edu> wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > > > > > I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you > > > expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody > > > else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad > > > and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his > > > not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that > > > your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by > > > everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet > > > (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about > > > issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I > > > hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and > > > see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all > > > share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have > > > different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to > > > heart... > > > > > > John > > > > > > John Ford > > > john@indstate.edu > > > 812-237-8542 > > > > > > > > > >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > > > > > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy > > > who > > > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > > > > > > he sends me an email today saying > > > > > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I > > > have > > > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after > > > two > > > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and > > > less > > > time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the > > > (explative > > > deleted) are you?" > > > > > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I > > > do > > > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my > > > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with > > > you > > > folks on this list. > > > > > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual > > > who > > > likes to share with others. > > > > > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a > > > Piet in > > > 2 years. > > > > > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this > > > may > > > generate. > > > > > > DJ Vegh > > > N74DV > > > Mesa, AZ > > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:37:32 PM PST US
    From: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Gear/Strut Fitting
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: CraigAlanCarter@aol.com Chris, The plans I have are the "Improved Aircamper" dated 1-25-34 by Orrin Hoopman. Craig


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    Time: 09:50:09 PM PST US
    From: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: AS&S - cable pictures
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> DJ, Send them to me. Dale and I can pull test them with a calibrated testing jig. Greg Cardinal 5236 Shoreview Ave. So. Minneapolis, MN 55417 ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > I'd love to pull test one but I don't have the proper rig for such testing. > > Does anyone on the list have a way of pull testing a cable? > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net> > > > > DJ, > > > > I'm certainly not saying to use them but I would love to see what they > pull > > tested to... > > > > Maybe someone should send them a cable done properly. > > > > Al Latham > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > > > > > per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the poor > > > manufacture of the cables. > > > > > > keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > > > > > Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can see > > the > > > tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy > > swages > > > and these are not it. > > > > > > Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > > > > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > > > > > DJ Vegh > > > N74DV > > > Mesa, AZ > > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:15:33 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: AS&S - cable pictures
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> sweet! I'll take you up on that offer. I'll send them on Monday. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> > > DJ, > Send them to me. Dale and I can pull test them with a calibrated testing > jig. > > Greg Cardinal > 5236 Shoreview Ave. So. > Minneapolis, MN 55417 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > > > I'd love to pull test one but I don't have the proper rig for such > testing. > > > > Does anyone on the list have a way of pull testing a cable? > > > > DJ Vegh > > N74DV > > Mesa, AZ > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > - > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net> > > > > > > DJ, > > > > > > I'm certainly not saying to use them but I would love to see what they > > pull > > > tested to... > > > > > > Maybe someone should send them a cable done properly. > > > > > > Al Latham > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S - cable pictures > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > > > > > > > per request of a few members I have taken some shots that show the > poor > > > > manufacture of the cables. > > > > > > > > keep in mind.... THIS IS THE SECOND SET. I just got them yesterday. > > > > > > > > Look at the gap in the wide dimension of the "oval". Also you can > see > > > the > > > > tool marks gouged into the swaged end. I have seen proper airworthy > > > swages > > > > and these are not it. > > > > > > > > Would anyone here trust these on major components?? > > > > > > > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/ACS-cables.jpg > > > > > > > > DJ Vegh > > > > N74DV > > > > Mesa, AZ > > > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >




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