---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/08/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:17 AM - wood(s) (John Ford) 2. 07:10 AM - Model a engine blocks (Ken Hannan) 3. 08:54 AM - Re: Tools Was spruce suppliers () 4. 08:56 AM - Re: Taper shaft hub removal and prop carving () 5. 09:52 AM - More Piet Pictures (Prange Larry J CONT PSNS) 6. 10:17 AM - A Model Carb (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 10:26 AM - N1492 Contact Info???? () 8. 10:44 AM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? (rambog@erols.com) 9. 10:50 AM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? (Cy Galley) 10. 10:52 AM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? (Jim Markle) 11. 10:56 AM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? (Cy Galley) 12. 11:04 AM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? (Gadd, Skip) 13. 11:35 AM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? () 14. 12:07 PM - Re: N1492 Contact Info???? () 15. 03:01 PM - 18mm plugs (w b evans) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:40 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood(s) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" I've seen someone use cedar for ribs, and someone else use walnut (pretty but heavy I assume) for some visible parts of the airframe. I'm wondering just how much latitude a builder has in choosing woods, and what the specific pros and cons may be. Am am also very curious about the grades and types of woods BHP used, keeping in mind that it is much more difficult these days to get straight-grain anything than it was back in the day. I plan to start cutting and glueing sometime after January. John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> ricksilvia@lewiston.com Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:31:24 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "ricksilvia" Hello Two quick questions if you don't mind. Why did you not use Douglas for a second time. What grade was the the 2X6 spruce you used. Thanks Rick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:40 AM PST US From: "Ken Hannan" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model a engine blocks --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" Any one familiar with this block http://www.donovanengineering.com/Blocks/ModelDBlock.html want to know if it would hold up to the prop loads. Ken ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:01 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools Was spruce suppliers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" A jointer is not really needed to build this plane. I just like tools so I use any excuse to buy one. According to the wood working magazines I read, the best way to turn raw lumber into dimensional lumber is to run one edge through a jointer then joint one face 90 degrees to this edge. Then run it through the planer to make the two parallel faces and finally run it through the table saw to square up the remaining edge. I, on the other hand, ordered my wood cut to the cross-section dimensions and used my power miter saw to cut to length. You could do this by hand if you want. In reality, you need only a few power tools to build this plane. I use my drill press, stationary belt sander, grinder and cordless drill the most. A router has come in handy a few times; its my tool of choice for recessing the rudder and elevator hinge locations (aluminum hinges) and for trimming the side and floor plywood. I would have borrowed one if I did not already own one. I cut all my metal fittings, so far, using a hacksaw and a good 18-tooth blade and then grind and sand to final shape. I cut my plywood using a Dove Tail saw and an eight-foot extruded aluminum channel as a fence. I use a sharp chisel to clean off dried glue, use it like a small low angle plane (woodworking kind not flying kind). It also comes in handy for removing mistakes (what, I do not make mistakes so how do I know about this). Lastly, lots of clamps and patience, I do not have enough of either one. I am sure I am leaving something out here but I have rambled on to long. Chris Sacramento, Ca uoting Alex Sloan : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" > > Chris, > A great jester on your part sharing your tools for Jeff to cut and plane his > spruce. My question, a first time wood plane builder, is where is a jointer > required in the building process of the Pietenpol? > Alex Sloan > North Alabama > alexms1@bellsouth.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce suppliers > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > Jeff, You can come on over and use my table saw and planer if you want but > > sorry no jointer (yet). > > > > Chris T. > > Sacramento, Ca > > Do not archive > > > > Quoting Jeff Cours : > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours > > > > > > Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > > > > I've had excellent service and quality from Edensaw in Port Townsend, > > > > Washington. My first Piet I used Douglas Fir and for Repiet I > > > > ordered Sitka Spruce, 6 pcs 2X6, 16 ft long. More than enough for a > > > > Piet. You will have to have use of a large table saw for riping, > > > > large joiner and planer. > > > > > > Interesting thought. Thanks, Corky, I may wind up contacting you for > > > that info. I'm going to have to think about it for a bit, though -- not > > > sure I could fit a large table saw and a joiner/planer in my shop. > > > > > > Hmm. I wonder how hard it'd be to mill the lumber with a bandsaw and a > > > long-ish hand plane. Might be tough to keep capstrip accurate... > > > > > > - Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:19 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Taper shaft hub removal and prop carving --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Ken, try this http://www.copycarver.com/index.html Chris T. Sacramento, Ca "" : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com > > Pieters, Thanks to the infor from Chuck, Terry and Walt, I got my prop > hub off the tapered crankshaft without too much trouble. I had to put a > shim in the snapring to get some pressure on it but it came off pretty easy. > Do > they still use pliobond to put in crank seals? > My next question is : does someone have plans for making a machine to > > carve a prop from an existing prop. I have some nice sliding bearing that > seem like a good place to start. ?Any help will be appreciated. Should > be a > good way to spend the winter. > Ken Conrad in warm dry Iowa waiting to combine corn and beans > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:49 AM PST US From: Prange Larry J CONT PSNS Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Piet Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Prange Larry J CONT PSNS Hi again Pietnics! A friend of mine has finally talked me into posting some pictures of my Piet on MyKitplane.com . Here is the link for anyone who is interested: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=144 I have been building it since '97 and hope to fly next summer. (That's what I have been saying since '99!) 'Just as a little side-note, I resawed most of the dimensional sitka, for the Piet, out of an old 'T Bird' sailboat mast, except for the wing spars which I had custom-cut at Edensaw. My airport (Jefferson County Airport) is about two miles from Edensaw in Port Townsend, so I had the opportunity to hand-select the billet out of which the main spars were cut. I (also) highly recommend Edensaw. They are good folks who know and love wood. Just another day in paradise! Larry Prange - NX1929A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:51 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Model Carb --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com A Model Pieters, This morning while going through the barn I found a box of A & T carbs. One A Carb, cast iron by "MOCH" caught my attention. Is it worth anything? Corky, trying to rid myself of all A & T and Dodge Bros parts from the old car days. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:23 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and White Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact with the owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address would be great but a mailing address would work too. Thanks Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Do not Archive ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:40 AM PST US From: "rambog@erols.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" If this is the airplane I think it is, the red/cream one with the Cont. A65, I asked him about the wheels, too. They are wire wheels and he had the aluminum dishes custom-spun for him. Gene Original Message: ----------------- From: catdesign@intergate.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and White Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact with the owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address would be great but a mailing address would work too. Thanks Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Do not Archive ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:13 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Sure you have the right N-number? It is registered to a twin Beech at this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and White > Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the > internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact with the > owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address would be > great but a mailing address would work too. > > Thanks > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > > Do not Archive > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:16 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" landings.com show N1492 as a Beech registered to someone in Florida..... If the file extension contained "graff" and it looked like a red and white Piet (with wire wheels).....might be Wil Graff's (gorgeous) Piet (N1492G). He can be reached at: wgraff@juno.com Jim in Plano.....building spars ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and White > Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the > internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact with the > owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address would be > great but a mailing address would work too. > > Thanks > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > > Do not Archive > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:12 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Pilot that has a piet is GRAFF, WILBUR CARL Pilot's Address : 8211 LEATHERMAN RD WADSWORTH, OH, 44281-8416 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and White > Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the > internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact with the > owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address would be > great but a mailing address would work too. > > Thanks > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > > Do not Archive > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:32 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Chris, Per Doc's book, that's Will Graff, Wadsworth OH 44281. I asked him about his wheels a couple years ago at Brodhead. They are 21" aluminum, I think he got them at the motor cycle recycle yard and know he kept original hubs. Skip - ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:57 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Sorry forgot the G it should be N1492G Chris T. Sacramento, Ca do not archive Quoting Cy Galley : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > Sure you have the right N-number? It is registered to a twin Beech at this > time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and > White > > Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the > > internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact with > the > > owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address would > be > > great but a mailing address would work too. > > > > Thanks > > Chris T. > > Sacramento, Ca > > > > Do not Archive > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:29 PM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Thanks for the info I'm sending him an email and if that doesn't work I will try the mail. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca do not archive Quoting "" : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Sorry forgot the G > > it should be N1492G > > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > do not archive > > Quoting Cy Galley : > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > > Sure you have the right N-number? It is registered to a twin Beech at this > > time. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: N1492 Contact Info???? > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can get in contact with the owner of a Red and > > White > > > Piet registered as N1492? The photo I downloaded, from someplace on the > > > internet, in entitled Piet_Graff.jpg. I would like to get in contact > with > > the > > > owner to ask them about the wheels on this plane. An email address > would > > be > > > great but a mailing address would work too. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Chris T. > > > Sacramento, Ca > > > > > > Do not Archive > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:45 PM PST US From: "w b evans" "piet discussion" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 18mm plugs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Just a reminder that here's a place to get great 18mm plugs so you don't have to get the aviation type for big $$. Got quite a few hours on them in my Pietenpol. They are name brand (champion) and most are $2.00 apiece. Even got some of the snazzy wire that pokes out behind the eyebrows on my A-65. http://www.brillman.com/ walt evans NX140DL