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1. 05:52 PM - struts that join the two fuselage sides (NormDecou@aol.com)
2. 06:17 PM - Re: struts that join the two fuselage sides (DJ Vegh)
3. 06:35 PM - Re: struts that join the two fuselage sides (javier cruz)
4. 10:48 PM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (dpilot)
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| Subject: | struts that join the two fuselage sides |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com
Hi,
I have reviewed all the pietenpol videos and pictures that I have been able
to get at fly-in's and off the Internet. I cannot determine for certain if the
wooden struts (ash and spruce) that join the two fuselage sides are to be
glued to the spruce or onto the inside gussets (e.g. should gussets on the inside
of the fuselage sides be notched out in areas where they prevent the spruce
struts from contacting the spruce on the fuselage sides). I just don't know
what is the preferred practise.
Sorry for asking such a basic question but I have two fuselage sides which I
have just finished that were meant for each other and I don't want to keep
them apart any longer than I have to.
Norm & Adrienne Decou
NormDecou@aol.com
Full set of ribs and fuselage sides done
tail feathers, and Corvair engine in progress
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| Subject: | Re: struts that join the two fuselage sides |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
as far as I know builders have done one of two methods.
1. glue the cross pieces to the gussets.
2. notch the side gussets to allow cross pieces to glue directly to the
longerons.
I glued mine to the gussets. In my opinion it's extra work not needed to
notch the gussets. The real strength of the joint comes from the top/bottom
gussets that connect the cross pieces to the longerons.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: <NormDecou@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: struts that join the two fuselage sides
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com
>
> Hi,
> I have reviewed all the pietenpol videos and pictures that I have been
able
> to get at fly-in's and off the Internet. I cannot determine for certain
if the
> wooden struts (ash and spruce) that join the two fuselage sides are to be
> glued to the spruce or onto the inside gussets (e.g. should gussets on the
inside
> of the fuselage sides be notched out in areas where they prevent the
spruce
> struts from contacting the spruce on the fuselage sides). I just don't
know
> what is the preferred practise.
> Sorry for asking such a basic question but I have two fuselage sides which
I
> have just finished that were meant for each other and I don't want to keep
> them apart any longer than I have to.
> Norm & Adrienne Decou
> NormDecou@aol.com
> Full set of ribs and fuselage sides done
> tail feathers, and Corvair engine in progress
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: struts that join the two fuselage sides |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
Hi Friends
I agree with DJ, i glued the ash to the gussets, i
think that the landing gear fittings give that part
more strength, and with the modification (complete
metal fittings from side to side) this part would work
fine...
Saludos
Javier Cruz
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | John Ficklen - this guys a moron |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
You don't need jury struts with a Corvair engine, except to hold the airspeed
pitot.
Smooth enough it doesn't vibrate.
My airspeed broke several years ago, so I took them all off.
I don't remember where the #7 wood screws are, so can't answer
JimV.
"Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene"
So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane...
By the way, how do you feel about jury struts?
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From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot
Actually, "John" has a point.
I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of
mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no
problems.
I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to
be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with
changing the plans.
JimV.
John Ford wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford"
I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you
expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody
else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad
and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his
not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that
your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by
everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet
(have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about
issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I
hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and
see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all
share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have
different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to
heart...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy
who
told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables.
he sends me an email today saying
" I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I
have
restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after
two
years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and
less
time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the
(explative
deleted) are you?"
Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I
do
spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my
construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with
you
folks on this list.
I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual
who
likes to share with others.
I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a
Piet in
2 years.
I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this
may
generate.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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