---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/09/03: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 PM - struts that join the two fuselage sides (NormDecou@aol.com) 2. 06:17 PM - Re: struts that join the two fuselage sides (DJ Vegh) 3. 06:35 PM - Re: struts that join the two fuselage sides (javier cruz) 4. 10:48 PM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (dpilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:37 PM PST US From: NormDecou@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: struts that join the two fuselage sides --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com Hi, I have reviewed all the pietenpol videos and pictures that I have been able to get at fly-in's and off the Internet. I cannot determine for certain if the wooden struts (ash and spruce) that join the two fuselage sides are to be glued to the spruce or onto the inside gussets (e.g. should gussets on the inside of the fuselage sides be notched out in areas where they prevent the spruce struts from contacting the spruce on the fuselage sides). I just don't know what is the preferred practise. Sorry for asking such a basic question but I have two fuselage sides which I have just finished that were meant for each other and I don't want to keep them apart any longer than I have to. Norm & Adrienne Decou NormDecou@aol.com Full set of ribs and fuselage sides done tail feathers, and Corvair engine in progress ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:18 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: struts that join the two fuselage sides --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" as far as I know builders have done one of two methods. 1. glue the cross pieces to the gussets. 2. notch the side gussets to allow cross pieces to glue directly to the longerons. I glued mine to the gussets. In my opinion it's extra work not needed to notch the gussets. The real strength of the joint comes from the top/bottom gussets that connect the cross pieces to the longerons. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: struts that join the two fuselage sides > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com > > Hi, > I have reviewed all the pietenpol videos and pictures that I have been able > to get at fly-in's and off the Internet. I cannot determine for certain if the > wooden struts (ash and spruce) that join the two fuselage sides are to be > glued to the spruce or onto the inside gussets (e.g. should gussets on the inside > of the fuselage sides be notched out in areas where they prevent the spruce > struts from contacting the spruce on the fuselage sides). I just don't know > what is the preferred practise. > Sorry for asking such a basic question but I have two fuselage sides which I > have just finished that were meant for each other and I don't want to keep > them apart any longer than I have to. > Norm & Adrienne Decou > NormDecou@aol.com > Full set of ribs and fuselage sides done > tail feathers, and Corvair engine in progress > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:07 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: struts that join the two fuselage sides --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz Hi Friends I agree with DJ, i glued the ash to the gussets, i think that the landing gear fittings give that part more strength, and with the modification (complete metal fittings from side to side) this part would work fine... Saludos Javier Cruz __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:58 PM PST US From: dpilot Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot You don't need jury struts with a Corvair engine, except to hold the airspeed pitot. Smooth enough it doesn't vibrate. My airspeed broke several years ago, so I took them all off. I don't remember where the #7 wood screws are, so can't answer JimV. "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? -----Original Message----- From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot Actually, "John" has a point. I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no problems. I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with changing the plans. JimV. John Ford wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to heart... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. he sends me an email today saying " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and less time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative deleted) are you?" Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you folks on this list. I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who likes to share with others. I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in 2 years. I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may generate. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper --------------------------------- ---------------------------------