---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/11/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (Christian Bobka) 2. 06:05 AM - Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour (Jim Markle) 3. 06:21 AM - Re: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour (Greg Cardinal) 4. 06:58 AM - Plano Sparworks....... (Jim Markle) 5. 07:06 AM - Plano Spar Factory..... (Jim Markle) 6. 08:13 AM - Re: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour (Gary Gower) 7. 09:33 AM - Congratulations (Isablcorky@aol.com) 8. 09:35 AM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (Christian Bobka) 9. 10:06 AM - Re: Congratulations (Christian Bobka) 10. 02:54 PM - Re: John Ficklen - this guys a moron (Christian Bobka) 11. 07:33 PM - squeeks (Richard Navratil) 12. 07:48 PM - Re: squeeks (Isablcorky@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:39 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" that's not why you have jury struts... Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "dpilot" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > You don't need jury struts with a Corvair engine, except to hold the airspeed pitot. > Smooth enough it doesn't vibrate. > My airspeed broke several years ago, so I took them all off. > I don't remember where the #7 wood screws are, so can't answer > JimV. > > "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... > By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > Actually, "John" has a point. > I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of > mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no > problems. > I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to > be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with > changing the plans. > > JimV. > > > John Ford wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you > expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody > else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad > and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his > not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that > your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by > everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet > (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about > issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I > hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and > see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all > share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have > different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to > heart... > > John > > John Ford > john@indstate.edu > 812-237-8542 > > > >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy > who > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > > he sends me an email today saying > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I > have > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after > two > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and > less > time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the > (explative > deleted) are you?" > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I > do > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with > you > folks on this list. > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual > who > likes to share with others. > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a > Piet in > 2 years. > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this > may > generate. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > --------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:09 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" There are some interesting, close connections to the Pietenpol community and the Air Tour....... Check it out...... Jim in Plano......building I-beam spars........just slipped a rib on the first spar last night to see how it looks....it looks wonderful.....I better find hanger space soon!!!! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:20 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" Jim, What did you decide to use for spars? Greg Cardinal >>> jim_markle@mindspring.com 09/11/03 08:05AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" There are some interesting, close connections to the Pietenpol community and the Air Tour....... Check it out...... Jim in Plano......building I-beam spars........just slipped a rib on the first spar last night to see how it looks....it looks wonderful.....I better find hanger space soon!!!! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plano Sparworks....... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Hi Greg, Basically ending up with something VERY close to that sketch you sent me. The web is 9mm plywood (actually measures close to 5/16"). I ended up going with a little thicker than the design requires to avoid needing the vertical stiffeners at each rib (as is required for the smaller web material thickness). I'm just glad I didn't use the 1/2" stuff I originally planned on using! Also glad to just get started on the thing. I vacillated between so many different sizes....but I like what I ended up with. After putting all four thickener strips on to build out the tops and bottoms to 1" square, I weighed the "bare" spar. Comes out within half a pound of what a 3/4" spruce one weighs (I used one of the spruce spars from that Missouri Air Camper I was given....). Both come out around 8 lbs. This spar stuff has had me a little concerned about safety and design limitations, but I'm very comfortable with what I'm ending up with. This will be plenty strong and I won't worry about it when I fly..... Still have some sanding/cleaning up to do as can be seen from the attached pics. Also need to trim off the ends (I built the spars with almost a foot extra in length so I could trim/adjust as needed). Good thing too since the growth rings on one of the strips is a little wide for the first few inches. I'll cut it back to where the rings are a little closer. I'm anxious to get the wings done so I can get started on that prop duplicator! I think that's going to be a fun project! later, jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" > > Jim, > What did you decide to use for spars? > > Greg Cardinal > > >>> jim_markle@mindspring.com 09/11/03 08:05AM >>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > There are some interesting, close connections to the Pietenpol > community and > the Air Tour....... > > Check it out...... > > > > Jim in Plano......building I-beam spars........just slipped a rib on > the > first spar last night to see how it looks....it looks wonderful.....I > better > find hanger space soon!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:09 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plano Spar Factory..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Hi Greg, 9mm plywood web (measures close to 5/16" thick) and built out the top and bottom to 1" square using 14' strips of VG Doug Fir (ahhh, at least there's no scarfing on the Doug Fir!). Jim in Plano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" > > Jim, > What did you decide to use for spars? > > Greg Cardinal > > >>> jim_markle@mindspring.com 09/11/03 08:05AM >>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > There are some interesting, close connections to the Pietenpol > community and > the Air Tour....... > > Check it out...... > > > > Jim in Plano......building I-beam spars........just slipped a rib on > the > first spar last night to see how it looks....it looks wonderful.....I > better > find hanger space soon!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:24 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols & the 2003 Nationsl Air Tour --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Probably is only for factory built airplanes of that time... But if not, I think a Piet should be flying in that group. Would be "one in lifetime" adventure to the pilot that could follow it, at least just part of it. Just thinking about it is great. Any (or more) of the members that live close to the route, should join at least for a leg.... I would do it if I could... If someone goes for it, please post it here! Saludos Gary Gower --- Jim Markle wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > There are some interesting, close connections to the Pietenpol > community and > the Air Tour....... > > Check it out...... > > > > Jim in Plano......building I-beam spars........just slipped a rib on > the > first spar last night to see how it looks....it looks wonderful.....I > better > find hanger space soon!!!! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:17 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congratulations --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, I would like to bring to your attention an article in the latest Quarterly publication of the Sport Aviation Association, "To Fly" written by Christian Bobka, a Pieter on our little net. A well written article pertaining to the mixture function of the carb on the A-65 engine. Congratulations on a job well done. Thank you. Corky ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:37 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" that's not why you have jury struts... Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "dpilot" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > You don't need jury struts with a Corvair engine, except to hold the airspeed pitot. > Smooth enough it doesn't vibrate. > My airspeed broke several years ago, so I took them all off. > I don't remember where the #7 wood screws are, so can't answer > JimV. > > "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... > By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > Actually, "John" has a point. > I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of > mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no > problems. > I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to > be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with > changing the plans. > > JimV. > > > John Ford wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you > expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody > else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad > and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his > not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that > your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by > everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet > (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about > issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I > hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and > see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all > share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have > different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to > heart... > > John > > John Ford > john@indstate.edu > 812-237-8542 > > > >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy > who > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > > he sends me an email today saying > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I > have > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after > two > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and > less > time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the > (explative > deleted) are you?" > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I > do > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with > you > folks on this list. > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual > who > likes to share with others. > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a > Piet in > 2 years. > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this > may > generate. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > --------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:22 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Congratulations --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" thanks corky. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congratulations > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > > Pieters, > > I would like to bring to your attention an article in the latest Quarterly > publication of the Sport Aviation Association, "To Fly" written by Christian > Bobka, a Pieter on our little net. > A well written article pertaining to the mixture function of the carb on the > A-65 engine. > > Congratulations on a job well done. Thank you. > > Corky > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:18 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" that's not why you have jury struts... Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "dpilot" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > You don't need jury struts with a Corvair engine, except to hold the airspeed pitot. > Smooth enough it doesn't vibrate. > My airspeed broke several years ago, so I took them all off. > I don't remember where the #7 wood screws are, so can't answer > JimV. > > "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane... > By the way, how do you feel about jury struts? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dpilot [mailto:dpilot@yahoo.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > Actually, "John" has a point. > I don't know what kind of cables are being discussed here, as I built all of > mine with a $19.95 nicopress masher, and have flown over 400 hours with no > problems. > I guess if you want to get fancy and make things better than they need to > be, a lot of people dont want to hear about the problems associated with > changing the plans. > > JimV. > > > John Ford wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > I deal with people like him rather often (computer support - what do you > expect!). Happiness being a relative thing, they try to make everybody > else unhappy to raise their relative level of happiness. It is both sad > and humorous at the same time. I hope we don't read about him and his > not-worried-about cables in an NTSB report somewhere, and I hope that > your concerns of quality (and others expressed daily on this list by > everybody) make an impression on him. I haven't started building yet > (have to finish the house first), and you all have made me think about > issues I may never have considered if I were building in a vacuum. I > hope you make it to Brodhead when you're finished and I can meet you and > see your plane. I hope he makes it to Brodhead as well, so we can all > share and enjoy what we've got for awhile and realize we all have > different ideas and values. It's not worth taking this kind of thing to > heart... > > John > > John Ford > john@indstate.edu > 812-237-8542 > > > >>> aircamper@imagedv.com Friday, August 29, 2003 9:33:25 AM >>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy > who > told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables. > > he sends me an email today saying > > " I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I > have > restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after > two > years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and > less > time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the > (explative > deleted) are you?" > > Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I > do > spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my > construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with > you > folks on this list. > > I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual > who > likes to share with others. > > I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a > Piet in > 2 years. > > I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this > may > generate. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > --------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:44 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: squeeks --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" I am just doing some final tightening and adjusting before starting taxi tests and I cant get rid of a creeking noise from the ailereon piano hinge. Does anyone else have that? Does it go away after time? I know I wont notice it when the engine is running but its buggin me. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:21 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: squeeks --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Ever heard of the squeeking wheel? Corky in La where we have many oilwells