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1. 03:04 AM - Fin/Rudder Dimensions (rhartwig11@juno.com.FORGED_JUNO_RCVD.'From'.juno.com.does.not.match.'Received'.headers (2.8 points))
2. 04:57 AM - Re: Fuselage Weight (Ed Grentzer)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: Engine mount (Alex Sloan)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: Engine mount (Alex Sloan)
5. 06:06 AM - NO TFR for Crawford and PWG this weekend!! (Jon Botsford)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: NO TFR for Crawford and PWG this weekend!! (Isablcorky@aol.com)
7. 07:29 AM - Re: rc planes (DJ Vegh)
8. 07:51 AM - second leaf spring is good (Michael D Cuy)
9. 07:55 AM - Re: Fuselage Weight ()
10. 08:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Weight (del magsam)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: Fuselage Weight/leaf springs (Gadd, Skip)
12. 08:33 AM - Re: rc planes (Jack Textor)
13. 08:34 AM - Re: Fuselage Weight (Ed Grentzer)
14. 08:41 AM - Re: second leaf spring is good (Ed Grentzer)
15. 09:03 AM - Re: Fuselage Weight/leaf springs (Cy Galley)
16. 09:33 AM - my wife must think I'm nuts........ (Michael D Cuy)
17. 09:47 AM - Re: fuselage weight (Barry Davis)
18. 10:09 AM - tailwheel weight (DJ Vegh)
19. 11:39 AM - my piet pictures (Ken Hannan)
20. 11:52 AM - Re: my piet pictures (Ken Hannan)
21. 11:57 AM - Re: $$$$$$$ oops! (shad bell)
22. 05:11 PM - Re: my wife must think I'm nuts........ (Carl Loar)
23. 06:37 PM - Re: Fuselage Weight (Jack Phillips)
24. 07:41 PM - 5th Annual Allen Parish Fly-In (Tommy & Carolyn)
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| Subject: | Fin/Rudder Dimensions |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com FORGED_JUNO_RCVD (2.8
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Mike,
You have saved yourself some extra work by noticing this discrepancy in
the empenage dimensions. Also, take into account that the rudder when
installed with hinges is approx 1/2 in. from the fin and has a
trapezoidal shape.
I made my vertical fin and rudder to the dimensions on the plans. When I
placed them on the fuselage I found that the rudder hung below the
fuselage approximately 1-inch. I am now lining up the bottom of the
rudder with the bottom of the fuselage and installing the hinges. This
leaves the rudder higher than the vertical fin, so I am adding a piece of
spruce to the top of the vertical fin. Some builders just let the rudder
hang below the fuselage and that also works fine.
Dick Hartwig
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Time: 11:43:13 PM PST US
From: Michael Green <mmml@bigpond.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Green <mmml@bigpond.com>
Hi All,
I'm new to the list, but have been monitoring for the last couple of
months. My
timber was shipped from the States today (being sent to Australia) so I'm
eagerly
going over the plans ready to swing into action when it arrives.
I've decided to start with the tail group but noticed a descrepancy in
the length
of the leading edge of the rudder, compared to the fin, horizontal stab
and
tailpost. These three added togeather come up 1/2" short of the rudder
leading
edge.
Is this normal ?
Mike Green
Romsey
Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail wheel, I took ACS at
there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little disappointed, it is heavy
and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made out of cast steel
and it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the solid 6" wheel with a
light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork by grinding and drilling
some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid of a couple of pounds.
What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went with a homebuilders
speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The single leaf seems kind of
flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had the heart to add another 1
1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening the extended part of the
single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will take some of the leverage
off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I don't need to add the second
leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of the second leaf.
Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong enough is not as easy as it
sounds.
Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane Isabel...Hopefully
you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.
>From: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: "" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>
>Hey Ed,
>
>What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh 5.2
>pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the
>Heath
>would be lighter.
>
>Chris T.
>Sacramento, Ca
>
>
>Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer"
><flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1)
>last
> > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux.
>wing
> >
> > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals
>or
> > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear
>6"
> > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a
>little
> > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.
> >
> >
> > >From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > >
> > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at
>195lb.
> >
> > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum
> > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments,
> > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.
> > >
> > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion
> > >
> > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htm
> > >
> > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can
>someone
> > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??
> > >
> > >DJ Vegh
> > >N74DV
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Barry Davis
> > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > >
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
><bed@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?
> > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework
>with
> >
> > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.
> > >
> > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came
>up
> > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take
>scales
> > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.
> > >
> > >Barry Davis
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Carl,
I am working on my engine mount so I can test run the Corvair soon as it is
ready. Are you using the mounts as shown in the plans? I am ready to drill
for the steel parts to bolt them to the fuselage and on the bottom pieces it
shows bending the tab so it will lay on the firewal. I cannot find any
reference to whether or not any hole is drill in the tab and if so, what is
put in there. Any ideas on this?
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: <Carbarvo@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine mount
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
>
> Hey Alex.....Good going on your Piet progress...I didn't realize you were
> that far along! I'm setting up my Piet for the Model-A which I already
have
> sitting in its' mounts. All structure is finished and the fabric is on the
tail
> feathers, ailerons and the bottom of the left wing. The more I talk to
Mark
> Langford, the more interested I get in the Corvair engine. I may change
engines
> after a couple of years experience with the Ford. I've ordered Wm. Wynne's
> expensive little book. I am particularly interested right now in where the
engine CG
> winds up with the engine outfitted just as you have it. I think Wm.
Wynne's
> Piet was one of the best looking Piets I've seen. If you get over in
this
> direction, give me a call so I can give you directions to my house...It's
real
> easy. Keep us posted...Carl Vought, Huntsville, AL.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Carl,
I am working on my engine mount so I can test run the Corvair soon as it is
ready. Are you using the mounts as shown in the plans? I am ready to drill
for the steel parts to bolt them to the fuselage and on the bottom pieces it
shows bending the tab so it will lay on the firewal. I cannot find any
reference to whether or not any hole is drill in the tab and if so, what is
put in there. Any ideas on this?
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: <Carbarvo@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine mount
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
>
> Hey Alex.....Good going on your Piet progress...I didn't realize you were
> that far along! I'm setting up my Piet for the Model-A which I already
have
> sitting in its' mounts. All structure is finished and the fabric is on the
tail
> feathers, ailerons and the bottom of the left wing. The more I talk to
Mark
> Langford, the more interested I get in the Corvair engine. I may change
engines
> after a couple of years experience with the Ford. I've ordered Wm. Wynne's
> expensive little book. I am particularly interested right now in where the
engine CG
> winds up with the engine outfitted just as you have it. I think Wm.
Wynne's
> Piet was one of the best looking Piets I've seen. If you get over in
this
> direction, give me a call so I can give you directions to my house...It's
real
> easy. Keep us posted...Carl Vought, Huntsville, AL.
>
>
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| Subject: | NO TFR for Crawford and PWG this weekend!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
This statement was in AOPA's newsletter this morning. George will NOT be at
Crawford this weekend! Y'all come to the Low & Slow Fly-In at McGregor
Executive Airport, McGregor, Texxas (Waco area) if you can. If not, we will
be thinking of you while we look at those Piets and other Low & Slow
aircraft while eating that good fish.
Jon Botsford
A LOOK AT UPCOMING TFRs
With the presidential campaign season well under way, AOPA warns pilots to
be especially mindful of 60-nautical-mile-diameter presidential and smaller
vice presidential movement temporary flight restrictions (TFRs). Based on
AOPA's best information, President Bush will be at his retreat at Camp
David, Maryland, through Sunday, September 21. He is slated to be in New
York City, September 23 through 24, and back at Camp David, September 26
through 27. Check AOPA Online for the latest on these restrictions.
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| Subject: | Re: NO TFR for Crawford and PWG this weekend!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Jon,
Down to the wire. My IP declined so I'm left without authority to fly to the
fly in. Consequencies would be too severe if I risked a solo flight over there
today and return Sat. I've waited patiently this long and am "chicken" to
take the risk. Worse thing is I went back on my word which I value highly. Guess
I'll just have to settle with this ole La speckled trout almandine and shrimp
creole and dream of your bar b q catfishes. Please try and keep me as a friend.
Corky in beautiful VFR La
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Thanks Gary. speaking of RC planes, I started a new RC project 3 weeks ago.
A 25% scale '46 Taylorcraft BC12D.
109" wingspan (9 feet!) powered by a 26cc weed wacker engine with 18" prop.
About 70% complete and hoping to fly it within 3 or 4 weeks. Just need to
finish the left wing panel and then cover it.
pics, if anyone is interested, can be seen here:
http://www.imagedv.com/taylorcraft/
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary M. Colwill" <g.colwill3@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary M. Colwill"
<g.colwill3@verizon.net>
>
> I just want to let you know, Mr. Vegh, that I REALLY appreciate the
pictures
> on your website. Pictures really are worth a thousand words and, since I'm
> new to woodworking, just staring at your work for awhile helps the words
in
> the books I've bought become more clear.
>
> By the way, I have built one R/C aircraft (a lazy bee converted into a
> Gyrobee...fun!), and I can tell that your experience in that arena has
> probably had a direct influence on your building technique for the
> full-sized aircraft - the processes seem remarkably similar.
>
> Thanks again and keep them coming!
>
> Gary C
> Chino, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Norm,
>
> get yourself a set of Pony strap clamps.... maybe 3 or 4 of them. They
came
> in EXTREMELY handy when I joined my fuselage sides.
>
> you can see some detail photos of of my ship during that process here:
>
> http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-24-02.htm
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <NormDecou@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Barry,
> > I am just getting ready to join my two fuselage sides now. It is an
> extended
> > fuselage. If you like I will e-mail you the weight in a week or two
when
> I
> > finish the assembly.
> > Norm and Adrienne Decou
> > NormDecou@aol.com
> > Just in the process of making sure that everything is square and
> symmetrical
> > before I glue the two fuselage halves together.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | second leaf spring is good |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Ed G. and others using leaf springs/tailwheels on your Piets. With the
all aluminum homebuilder's special tailwheel I have from aircraft spruce I
tried on leaf at first and it was too weak and slapped around too much back
there. (the steering cables slapped the bottom of the belly.) Our IA had
used leaf and he reasoned that should the first (longer) spring ever break
you have the second leaf to help keep your tailwheel from bashing up into
your rudder. The second leaf was re-shaped (cold in a big old vise like
Bingelis tells how) and drilled (with a masonry drill bit--like the
Bingelis books show--very easy) and made a great improvement over the
ground ride.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going to the auto junk yard and
find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1/4 inch thick then follow
the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my own. Would you mind telling
me how long the Homebuilt special is and approximate angle of the bend. I may
even try to build my own tail wheel (not fully castoring (is that a word?)) but
I'm not sure about this as I want it to be as light as possible. Wish Matco
made a 4" tail wheel assembly.
By the way Mike Cuy had to add another leaf to his homebuilders special too.
He found the single leaf to soft. If you shorten the spring you will make it
stiffer and raise the risk of breaking you tail wheel spring.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail wheel, I took ACS at
> there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little disappointed, it is heavy
>
> and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made out of cast steel
> and it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the solid 6" wheel with a
> light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork by grinding and drilling
> some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid of a couple of pounds.
> What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went with a homebuilders
> speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The single leaf seems kind of
> flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had the heart to add another 1
>
> 1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening the extended part of the
> single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will take some of the leverage
>
> off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I don't need to add the second
> leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of the second leaf.
> Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong enough is not as easy as it
> sounds.
> Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane Isabel...Hopefully
> you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.
>
>
> >From: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >To: "" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
> >
> >Hey Ed,
> >
> >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh 5.2
> >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the
> >Heath
> >would be lighter.
> >
> >Chris T.
> >Sacramento, Ca
> >
> >
> >Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer"
> ><flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1)
> >last
> > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux.
> >wing
> > >
> > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals
> >or
> > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear
> >6"
> > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a
> >little
> > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700
> > > >
> > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > >
> > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at
> >195lb.
> > >
> > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum
> > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments,
> > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.
> > > >
> > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion
> > > >
> > > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htm
> > > >
> > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can
> >someone
> > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??
> > > >
> > > >DJ Vegh
> > > >N74DV
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Barry Davis
> > > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
> ><bed@mindspring.com>
> > > >
> > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?
> > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework
> >with
> > >
> > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.
> > > >
> > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came
> >up
> > > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take
> >scales
> > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.
> > > >
> > > >Barry Davis
> > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
take a look at the sonex tailwheel system. a titanium
rod with wheel clevis on the end. super light and may
improve handling performance
Del
--- <catdesign@intergate.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ""
> <catdesign@intergate.com>
>
> Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going
> to the auto junk yard and
> find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by
> 1/4 inch thick then follow
> the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my
> own. Would you mind telling
> me how long the Homebuilt special is and approximate
> angle of the bend. I may
> even try to build my own tail wheel (not fully
> castoring (is that a word?)) but
> I'm not sure about this as I want it to be as light
> as possible. Wish Matco
> made a 4" tail wheel assembly.
>
> By the way Mike Cuy had to add another leaf to his
> homebuilders special too.
> He found the single leaf to soft. If you shorten
> the spring you will make it
> stiffer and raise the risk of breaking you tail
> wheel spring.
>
> Chris T.
> Sacramento, Ca
>
>
> Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed
> Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail
> wheel, I took ACS at
> > there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little
> disappointed, it is heavy
> >
> > and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made
> out of cast steel
> > and it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the
> solid 6" wheel with a
> > light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork
> by grinding and drilling
> > some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid
> of a couple of pounds.
> > What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went
> with a homebuilders
> > speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The
> single leaf seems kind of
> > flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had
> the heart to add another 1
> >
> > 1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening
> the extended part of the
> > single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will
> take some of the leverage
> >
> > off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I
> don't need to add the second
> > leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of
> the second leaf.
> > Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong
> enough is not as easy as it
> > sounds.
> > Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with
> hurricane Isabel...Hopefully
> > you're far enough out of her path........Good luck
> Buddy.......Ed G.
> >
> >
> > >From: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >To: "" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ""
> <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > >
> > >Hey Ed,
> > >
> > >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS
> says it should weigh 5.2
> > >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5
> pounds. I would think the
> > >Heath
> > >would be lighter.
> > >
> > >Chris T.
> > >Sacramento, Ca
> > >
> > >
> > >Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed
> Grentzer"
> > ><flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I
> weighed my Piet ( not GN-1)
> > >last
> > > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's
> seat belt and harness, aux.
> > >wing
> > > >
> > > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor
> mount but no rudder pedals
> > >or
> > > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a
> Heath tailwheel and Goodyear
> > >6"
> > > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed
> mount for my Franklin ( a
> > >little
> > > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ
> Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the
> link below) weighs in at
> > >195lb.
> > > >
> > > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3
> landing gear, aluminum
> > > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco
> tailwheel. No instruments,
> > > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.
> > > > >
> > > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that
> state of completion
> > > > >
> > > >
>
>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it
> should be or not.... can
> > >someone
> > > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??
> > > > >
> > > > >DJ Vegh
> > > > >N74DV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Barry Davis
> > > > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry
> Davis"
> > ><bed@mindspring.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood
> fuselage?
> > > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail
> feathers, just the framework
> > >with
> > > >
> > > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but
> without seats.
> > > > >
> > > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up
> now and the question came
> > >up
> > > > >about weight. Our regular work night is
> Monday and we plan to take
> > >scales
> > > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post
> the weight on Tuesday.
> > > > >
> > > > >Barry Davis
> > > > >
> > > > >
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| Subject: | Fuselage Weight/leaf springs |
There was some talk on this list a few months ago that Corvette used a
fiberglass leaf spring for some years.
I did a little internet searching and was not able to find any information.
Does anyone know about these? Seems they may be just the thing for a Piet.
Skip
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
-
>Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going to the auto junk yard
and
>find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1/4 inch thick then
follow
>the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my own.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
DJ
Sounds like a great model. If I could offer a caution....I built a Senior
Telemaster, which was about the same size. The first flight was almost its
last. With the large wing, it had warped just a little bit. When I got it
down I could barley see the warp. Check yours closely and good luck! PS I
have your Piet picture set as my background, nice color scheme!
Jack
RV8 tail and wings done
Pietenpol plans, still thinking about starting
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Hi Chris...I know what you mean about shortening the spring and the
chances of breakage.....I know I'm going to have to go with two leaves or is
it leafs???? I just hate to admit it to myself. The homebuilders special is
15" long by 1/4" X 1 1/2" and has a about a 40 degree bend right in the
middle. It would be really easy to copy following Tony B's book and mine
looks like it belongs on a Piet just the way it came from ACS. Several
years ago at one of Sun & Fun's booths I saw several small used aluminum
tailwheel forks that would be perfect for a Piet if they were strong enough.
I have no Idea what they came off of but I wish I had bought one just to
try, They were really light.... I'm going to seriously look for one this
year. Anyone out there know what they might have come off of ? Ed G.
>From: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: "" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:53:41 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>
>Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going to the auto junk yard
>and
>find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1/4 inch thick then
>follow
>the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my own. Would you mind
>telling
>me how long the Homebuilt special is and approximate angle of the bend. I
>may
>even try to build my own tail wheel (not fully castoring (is that a word?))
>but
>I'm not sure about this as I want it to be as light as possible. Wish
>Matco
>made a 4" tail wheel assembly.
>
>By the way Mike Cuy had to add another leaf to his homebuilders special
>too.
>He found the single leaf to soft. If you shorten the spring you will make
>it
>stiffer and raise the risk of breaking you tail wheel spring.
>
>Chris T.
>Sacramento, Ca
>
>
> Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer"
><flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail wheel, I took ACS at
> > there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little disappointed, it is
>heavy
> >
> > and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made out of cast steel
> > and it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the solid 6" wheel with a
> > light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork by grinding and
>drilling
> > some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid of a couple of
>pounds.
> > What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went with a homebuilders
> > speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The single leaf seems kind of
> > flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had the heart to add
>another 1
> >
> > 1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening the extended part of
>the
> > single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will take some of the
>leverage
> >
> > off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I don't need to add the
>second
> > leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of the second leaf.
> > Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong enough is not as easy as
>it
> > sounds.
> > Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane
>Isabel...Hopefully
> > you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.
> >
> >
> > >From: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >To: "" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > >
> > >Hey Ed,
> > >
> > >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh
>5.2
> > >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the
> > >Heath
> > >would be lighter.
> > >
> > >Chris T.
> > >Sacramento, Ca
> > >
> > >
> > >Quoting Ed Grentzer <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer"
> > ><flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not
>GN-1)
> > >last
> > > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness,
>aux.
> > >wing
> > > >
> > > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder
>pedals
> > >or
> > > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and
>Goodyear
> > >6"
> > > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a
> > >little
> > > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
><aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at
> > >195lb.
> > > >
> > > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear,
>aluminum
> > > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No
>instruments,
> > > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.
> > > > >
> > > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion
> > > > >
> > > > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can
> > >someone
> > > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??
> > > > >
> > > > >DJ Vegh
> > > > >N74DV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Barry Davis
> > > > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
> > ><bed@mindspring.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?
> > > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the
>framework
> > >with
> > > >
> > > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.
> > > > >
> > > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question
>came
> > >up
> > > > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take
> > >scales
> > > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on
>Tuesday.
> > > > >
> > > > >Barry Davis
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: second leaf spring is good |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the input about your experience with the tail spring Mike. I
guess that does it....I'll go home and put the second leaf on it. When I
weighed my Fuselage last week I set the second leaf on top the tail so I
guess I knew deep down that it was going to end up on the plane. Ed G.
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: second leaf spring is good
>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:48:02 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>Ed G. and others using leaf springs/tailwheels on your Piets. With the
>all aluminum homebuilder's special tailwheel I have from aircraft spruce I
>tried on leaf at first and it was too weak and slapped around too much back
>there. (the steering cables slapped the bottom of the belly.) Our IA had
>used leaf and he reasoned that should the first (longer) spring ever break
>you have the second leaf to help keep your tailwheel from bashing up into
>your rudder. The second leaf was re-shaped (cold in a big old vise like
>Bingelis tells how) and drilled (with a masonry drill bit--like the
>Bingelis books show--very easy) and made a great improvement over the
>ground ride.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Weight/leaf springs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
My 93 Buick Regal uses a fibre-glass arch for the rear spring.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight/leaf springs
> There was some talk on this list a few months ago that Corvette used a
> fiberglass leaf spring for some years.
> I did a little internet searching and was not able to find any
information.
> Does anyone know about these? Seems they may be just the thing for a Piet.
> Skip
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> Precedence: bulk
> Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
>
> -
> >Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going to the auto junk yard
> and
> >find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1/4 inch thick then
> follow
> >the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my own.
>
>
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| Subject: | my wife must think I'm nuts........ |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Heading off to drive to Chicago at 2 in the morning tomorrow to get there
in time to watch the Wright Redux http://www.wrightredux.orgreplica flyer
fly in front of the Science Museum. Those boys are a grass-roots
bunch. 16 of them. They've flown it several times already. Let's see,
12 hours of driving to see maybe 12 seconds of flying ? I'm not crazy guys,
am I ???
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Thanks Norm
I was beginning to think that no one had ever weighed their fuselage in the
boat stage. I'll post the steel weight on Tuesday.
BED
----- Original Message -----
From: <NormDecou@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com
>
> Hi Barry,
> I am just getting ready to join my two fuselage sides now. It is an
extended
> fuselage. If you like I will e-mail you the weight in a week or two when
I
> finish the assembly.
> Norm and Adrienne Decou
> NormDecou@aol.com
> Just in the process of making sure that everything is square and
symmetrical
> before I glue the two fuselage halves together.
>
>
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| Subject: | tailwheel weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I have a Matco unit. It's nice but feels like it's heavier than it needs to be.
I've thought about doing some lightening mods to it. I'd imagine it could
be milled and at least a 1/2 lb or more shaved. 1/2 lb at the tail means 2lb
saved at the nose!
DJ
=
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| Subject: | my piet pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
I posted some pictures of my Peit project, I used the planes out of the 1932 Flying
and Glider Manual and it will be A powered.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID147
Ken Hannan
Temecula, CA
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| Subject: | Re: my piet pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=147
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: my piet pictures
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
>
> I posted some pictures of my Peit project, I used the planes out of the
1932 Flying and Glider Manual and it will be A powered.
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID147
>
> Ken Hannan
> Temecula, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: $$$$$$$ oops! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
hello list i am writing this to hopefully save someone
using vi kepplers prop hub a few hundred dollars. my
father took his crank shaft and prop hub to a machine
shop to have the prop shaft threaded for the crank and
prop hub nut, it got expensive when the machinist, who
in all fairness was going by bernies blue print bored
the hole in the hub out to 1.5in. this in turn bored
right into the counterbores for the bolts that hold
the hub to the crankshaft. so make sure if you drop
off your parts at a shop tell them NOT to bore the
center hole of the hub to the specs of 1.5 shown on
the plans.
p.s. does anyone know of another one of Vi Keplers
prop hubs for sale????
Shad Bell
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| Subject: | Re: my wife must think I'm nuts........ |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@buckeye-express.com>
Yea Mike ,,, Your wife is right ,, you are crazy,,, but aren't we all?
Sounds like a worthwhile trip to me. Have fun.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: my wife must think I'm nuts........
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Heading off to drive to Chicago at 2 in the morning tomorrow to get there
> in time to watch the Wright Redux http://www.wrightredux.orgreplica flyer
> fly in front of the Science Museum. Those boys are a grass-roots
> bunch. 16 of them. They've flown it several times already. Let's see,
> 12 hours of driving to see maybe 12 seconds of flying ? I'm not crazy
guys,
> am I ???
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Thanks, Ed. Isabel wasn't too bad here. The eye went east of us. Highest
winds we had were about 65 kts. and we got about 2" of rain (driest
hurricane I've ever been through). I had one 12" pine come down across my
driveway (took out a section of the fence around my pasture, too), but other
than that I had no damage. Good news was, I got to get off work for it.
The bad news was, I lost power so couldn't work on the Pietenpol too easily.
Jack Phillips
Drying out in Raleigh, NC
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane Isabel...Hopefully
you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.
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| Subject: | 5th Annual Allen Parish Fly-In |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Tommy & Carolyn" <TommyandCarolyn@centurytel.net>
Just a reminder, the 5th annual Allen Parish Fly-In Oakdale, LA
is the last weekend of this month, that's the 26, 27 & 28. It's grown every
year to over 200 aircraft, a mixed bag, something for everyone. Camping,
food & Cajun music rounds it out, your
sure to have a good time. Contact Joel Johnson 318-215-0090 or 337-639-4328.
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