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1. 09:34 AM - Re: Cockpit Coamings (dan john)
2. 09:41 AM - Re: Cockpit Coamings (Carbarvo@aol.com)
3. 11:29 AM - Re: fuselage weight (Ed Grentzer)
4. 01:27 PM - fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
5. 02:07 PM - Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 02:07 PM - Re: Cockpit Coamings (w b evans)
7. 02:09 PM - Fw: Cockpit Coamings (w b evans)
8. 07:32 PM - Re: Cockpit Coamings (Richard Navratil)
9. 08:50 PM - Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Coamings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com>
Pardon me for butting in here.I thought I would let
you know of the source for leather I used.Our local
Goodwill store.Someone had donated a long leather
womens coat. I made the caroming (sp) covers in two
pieces.One coat did both cockpits for $3.00.John P.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Coamings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Very very resourceful.....Carl V....Do not arcive
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
From the archives several of the listers reported their bare wood
fuselages to weigh in at 70 pounds.
>From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight
>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:45:09 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>
>Thanks Norm
>I was beginning to think that no one had ever weighed their fuselage in the
>boat stage. I'll post the steel weight on Tuesday.
>BED
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <NormDecou@aol.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: NormDecou@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Barry,
> > I am just getting ready to join my two fuselage sides now. It is an
>extended
> > fuselage. If you like I will e-mail you the weight in a week or two
>when
>I
> > finish the assembly.
> > Norm and Adrienne Decou
> > NormDecou@aol.com
> > Just in the process of making sure that everything is square and
>symmetrical
> > before I glue the two fuselage halves together.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Group,
We weighed our Fuselage Friday nite. [230 pounds] It is just about the same level
of completion as DJs, (except we have two fuel tanks included). We came out
35 pounds heavier. You may recall ours is the "NEW 40 year-old Piet" recently
purchased here in TX.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=141
In the weighed configuration, we have the short BHP 1933 fuselage, on cub-type
gear with 800X4 wheels, tires, tubes, & brakes. Center section and cabanes. All
control cables and tail feathers with tail wires, and tailwheel installed.
Fuselage tank and wing center section tank. No instruments, seats already installed.
No engine mount. No Fabric. I was relieved that we were no heavier than
that. I suspected we would come in heavy, since the fuse is built heavy.
The builder used corner blocks in addition to plywood gussets. I think it also
has about 3 coats of spar varnish applied over the years.
After our weigh-in, we had a set-back. Having just gotten the rubber on the floor
and new bungies installed, we started really looking over the gear, and we
found it is built crooked. Evidently, the A&P who built the gear was working
with one eyeball tied behind his back. The center landing gear Vee is not symmetrical
about the centerline of the airplane. It comes together approximately
1.5 inches to the left of center. The attached bungie tubes are about two
inches different in length. As a reult, the fuselage sits low on the LH side.
SO, we have her back up on sawhorses and plan to totally re build the center vee
and shock absorber tubes. Luckily, the axle Vees are pretty much identical.
We plan to leave them in tact. We have decided to change the shock absorber
design to use springs in stead of bungies. So we'd appreciate any info you guys
may have to offer on this design. (Like WHAT SPRINGS TO BUY?)
We saw three Piets this weekend at the McGregor Fly-in. IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT,
YOU MISSED SOME AWESOME CATFISH!!!
Bob Siebert brought his new little jewell. What a beautiful Air Camper, Bob.
I love that WW1 Jenny-style paint job. Glad you came and hope your trip home
was good. I noticed you had a headwind both ways. [Shux: more Piet time in the
log.] Lon and I took a bunch of pics of Bob's landing gear and plan to modify
ours to be similar. Bob says the spring style gear plans were in an old BPA
newsletter, so we are looking for a copy. We also are now convinced to go with
the Skytec aluminum wing struts like Bob used.
We also poured over Mr. __?___ Vardiman's BHP Air Camper. I was talking to Ms.
Vardiman and she told me why their sign said "owner: unknown". She said her
husband wouldn't claim it. It is a sight for sore eyes. Since I know that our
DAR signed it off, now I have no worries that he'll sign off ours. Kidding aside,
it is a solid little Piet, just needs some cosmetic attention. Mr. V says
he may re-paint some time. But for now he's having fun flying it.
We got a lot of good ideas from looking over Jon Botsfords Franklin powered GN1.
We have been thinking about adding a step. [Lon and I are both short]. Jon's
Piet had a nice little step we plan to copy, unless Jon has a patent on it.
Back home, last night, I laid out the instrument panel on posterboard actual size
and will use it for template. Also mocked up a cardboard template for the
rear cockpit sheet metal. Not yet sure where the cabanes will be positioned,
so I may not make this part until we decide our final position. This affects
the point where the aileron cables pass thru the sheet metal. Last night, Lon
finished making adjustments to the tail brace wire brackets, so now, all the
tail feathers are ready for fabric. We will probably leave them installed until
we hang the wings and dry-rig all the controls.
Its a good thing to have Fly-ins once in awhile to get a boost and re-charge the
adrenaline for making parts. Corky and Chuck...we missed you...hope you can
make it next year.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Thanks Terry,
Great report. Makes me more ashamed I didn't sneak over.
You know who in La where Isabelle and I had some delish fried shrimp and
oysters today.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Coamings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
My source was the back of my closet. Had since the early 80's, a very out
of style tan leather jacket. Never had the heart to throw it out. When
it came time for the cockpit, I knew it was fate smiling down on me. I'm
really happy how it came out.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Carbarvo@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Coamings
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
>
> What about sources of suitable leather??? I'd like to explore some
options. I
> have restored a couple of late fifties Jaguar OTS (commonly referred to as
> "roadsters"). These cars have what they call a "D-Rubber" around the
cockpit.
> This gets covered with a very fine grade of leather. The company I bought
it
> from is now out of business, but the company that took over is:OSJI
(Original
> Specification Jaguar Interiors), 4301 Old State Road 3 North, Muncie,
Indiana
> 47303. Phone 800/338-8034. They will send samples. Their colors are vat
died and
> normally very well controlled....Good luck..Carl Vought
>
>
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| Subject: | Cockpit Coamings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Don't think this want thru, so I'll resend it.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Coamings
> Jack,
> I always wanted a round "hole", so I built it so the cowlings over each
> cockpit is one piece. After much experimenting, I came up with a pretty
> good, I think. Most of the things that I had tried looked too big and
> bulky. Finally would up by splitting a red airhose longwise and first
> securing that to the cowl being laced thru holes drilled all the way
around.
> This could pull the hose itself tightly into the curves of the cowl. Then
> after secure made a long leather piece that I prepunched for hole lacing,
> and went to town.
> If you like what I did, I can give you all the dimensions.
> I had bought by mistake , waxed linen cord to do the rib stitching. But
> that wasn't what I wanted, so I used that on the cowl lacing.
> I'll send you a pic via email.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Pietenpol-List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:28 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Coamings
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Hi Pieters,
> >
> > I'm making the cockpit coamings now and am having trouble figuring out
the
> > proper curve to cut the leather covers for the padding. My cockpit
> cutouts
> > are curved so the padding is one continuous piece, rather than made in
> three
> > pieces like many Piets do. Any ideas? I've wasted some rather
expensive
> > leather before I got smart enough to use scrap fabric for the patterns.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> > Scratching my head in North Carolina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Coamings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
There is a booth at Sun n Fun that has full hides in different colors. Hi
Quality hides. I believe it is B & B Aircraft Parts. If you are in the
west I know of a few indian trading posts with good hides also.
Doug Bryant showed me a shop in Wichita, KS. that sells remnants from the
Beech factory also.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Carbarvo@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Coamings
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
>
> What about sources of suitable leather??? I'd like to explore some
options. I
> have restored a couple of late fifties Jaguar OTS (commonly referred to as
> "roadsters"). These cars have what they call a "D-Rubber" around the
cockpit.
> This gets covered with a very fine grade of leather. The company I bought
it
> from is now out of business, but the company that took over is:OSJI
(Original
> Specification Jaguar Interiors), 4301 Old State Road 3 North, Muncie,
Indiana
> 47303. Phone 800/338-8034. They will send samples. Their colors are vat
died and
> normally very well controlled....Good luck..Carl Vought
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
I sure wish I could have made the McGregor Fly-In, but all I had was the
weekend to make that flight. The ol' Piet just ain't that quick !! I sure hope
I
can make it there next year.
I did, however, have a good flight to Bartlesville OK on Saturday, for the
47th Annual Fly In. Bucking a headwind all the way there, the GPS was showing
a
ground speed of 55mph, with an indicated speed of almost 70. Lots of barran
land between here and there, but still maintained about 1000 agl. Those
hidden spider webs just gives me the hiebie jiebie's. I didn't fly direct, either.
Did a couple of laps around my buddy's house for some pictures, zigged here,
zagged there, lap around a lake here and there searching for bikini's,
thermals tossed 'er around a little but not too bad. When I got to my tie down
spot, I was greeted by a couple of Piet drivers, but they didn't have their planes
there. They are from OK City, but I didn't write their names down. That's
the only way I remember anybody's name. There were lots of planes there,
probably over 100, but mine was the only Piet !! It was almost 100 statuate miles
one way, logged 4 hrs down and back, and had a great airplane day!!
Chuck Gantzer
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