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1. 08:16 AM - Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in ()
2. 09:49 AM - Steel Fuselage weight (Barry Davis)
3. 11:34 AM - Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in (Isablcorky@aol.com)
4. 12:13 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage weight (JamesJboyer@aol.com)
5. 01:04 PM - Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
6. 01:05 PM - Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in (Ken Hannan)
7. 01:06 PM - Re: Cockpit Coamings (Jack Phillips)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage weight (Robert Gow)
9. 02:41 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage weight (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 03:15 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage weight (JamesJboyer@aol.com)
11. 05:23 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage weight (Ken Hannan)
12. 11:10 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage weight (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
When I get home from work today I can email you a scan the drawing showing the
spring assembly that was in the BPA newsletter if you still need it. The
springs recommended are Lamina H-56 die springs. The springs are 6" long
2.0"OD 1.0"ID wire diameter 0.225 x 0.350, Max Deflection 30% of free length
1051.20 pounds 1.8" length of deflection.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Quoting "" <BARNSTMR@aol.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
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> Group,
> We weighed our Fuselage Friday nite. [230 pounds] It is just about the same
> level of completion as DJs, (except we have two fuel tanks included). We
> came out 35 pounds heavier. You may recall ours is the "NEW 40 year-old
> Piet" recently purchased here in TX.
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=141
>
> In the weighed configuration, we have the short BHP 1933 fuselage, on
> cub-type gear with 800X4 wheels, tires, tubes, & brakes. Center section and
> cabanes. All control cables and tail feathers with tail wires, and tailwheel
> installed. Fuselage tank and wing center section tank. No instruments,
> seats already installed. No engine mount. No Fabric. I was relieved that we
> were no heavier than that. I suspected we would come in heavy, since the
> fuse is built heavy. The builder used corner blocks in addition to plywood
> gussets. I think it also has about 3 coats of spar varnish applied over the
> years.
>
> After our weigh-in, we had a set-back. Having just gotten the rubber on the
> floor and new bungies installed, we started really looking over the gear, and
> we found it is built crooked. Evidently, the A&P who built the gear was
> working with one eyeball tied behind his back. The center landing gear Vee
> is not symmetrical about the centerline of the airplane. It comes together
> approximately 1.5 inches to the left of center. The attached bungie tubes
> are about two inches different in length. As a reult, the fuselage sits low
> on the LH side.
>
> SO, we have her back up on sawhorses and plan to totally re build the center
> vee and shock absorber tubes. Luckily, the axle Vees are pretty much
> identical. We plan to leave them in tact. We have decided to change the
> shock absorber design to use springs in stead of bungies. So we'd appreciate
> any info you guys may have to offer on this design. (Like WHAT SPRINGS TO
> BUY?)
>
> We saw three Piets this weekend at the McGregor Fly-in. IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE
> IT, YOU MISSED SOME AWESOME CATFISH!!!
>
> Bob Siebert brought his new little jewell. What a beautiful Air Camper, Bob.
> I love that WW1 Jenny-style paint job. Glad you came and hope your trip
> home was good. I noticed you had a headwind both ways. [Shux: more Piet time
> in the log.] Lon and I took a bunch of pics of Bob's landing gear and plan
> to modify ours to be similar. Bob says the spring style gear plans were in
> an old BPA newsletter, so we are looking for a copy. We also are now
> convinced to go with the Skytec aluminum wing struts like Bob used.
>
> We also poured over Mr. __?___ Vardiman's BHP Air Camper. I was talking to
> Ms. Vardiman and she told me why their sign said "owner: unknown". She said
> her husband wouldn't claim it. It is a sight for sore eyes. Since I know
> that our DAR signed it off, now I have no worries that he'll sign off ours.
> Kidding aside, it is a solid little Piet, just needs some cosmetic attention.
> Mr. V says he may re-paint some time. But for now he's having fun flying
> it.
>
> We got a lot of good ideas from looking over Jon Botsfords Franklin powered
> GN1. We have been thinking about adding a step. [Lon and I are both short].
> Jon's Piet had a nice little step we plan to copy, unless Jon has a patent
> on it.
>
> Back home, last night, I laid out the instrument panel on posterboard actual
> size and will use it for template. Also mocked up a cardboard template for
> the rear cockpit sheet metal. Not yet sure where the cabanes will be
> positioned, so I may not make this part until we decide our final position.
> This affects the point where the aileron cables pass thru the sheet metal.
> Last night, Lon finished making adjustments to the tail brace wire brackets,
> so now, all the tail feathers are ready for fabric. We will probably leave
> them installed until we hang the wings and dry-rig all the controls.
>
> Its a good thing to have Fly-ins once in awhile to get a boost and re-charge
> the adrenaline for making parts. Corky and Chuck...we missed you...hope you
> can make it next year.
>
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
We finished the third fuselage last night and brought out the scales. The welded
4130 fuselage weighed 31 pounds.
This is in the same stage of completion as a wood fuselage with plywood sides and
bottom. No firewall and no seats, just the main boat structure with no fittings.
I got a few replies from people building the long wood fuselage and their
weight is coming in around 70 pounds in this stage of completion.
Barry D
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Chris,
Sure would like to know if you have a source for these springs as described.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JamesJboyer@aol.com
Hi,
My wood fuselage (Douglas Fir) , with seat framing, no firewall and without
plywood on sides but floor plywood weighs 65 pounds. Sounds like its in the
right ballpark.
Cheers, Jim
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
One of the local guys here used a $6 John Deere Hay bailer spring not sure what
part number. I am also going to contact the Lamina company as well. I will
let you guys know what I find out.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
Maybe McMaster.com part number 9588K98 would work?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-in
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
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> Chris,
>
> Sure would like to know if you have a source for these springs as
described.
>
> Corky
>
>
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| Subject: | Cockpit Coamings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Carl, I bought an entire cowhide of beautiful soft chocolate brown leather
from B&B Aircraft Supply of Kansas City, or Gardiner Kansas (I can't
remember their address, I've got their card somewhere) for $125. Seems to
be very good quality. Now I just need to figure out the shape I need to cut
it.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Carbarvo@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Coamings
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
What about sources of suitable leather??? I'd like to explore some options.
I
have restored a couple of late fifties Jaguar OTS (commonly referred to as
"roadsters"). These cars have what they call a "D-Rubber" around the
cockpit.
This gets covered with a very fine grade of leather. The company I bought it
from is now out of business, but the company that took over is:OSJI
(Original
Specification Jaguar Interiors), 4301 Old State Road 3 North, Muncie,
Indiana
47303. Phone 800/338-8034. They will send samples. Their colors are vat died
and
normally very well controlled....Good luck..Carl Vought
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| Subject: | Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
My plans are prety old - about 30 years. I don't think they show a metal
fuselage,, at least not a short one for use with the Ford. Is one
available?
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
Davis
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel Fuselage weight
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
We finished the third fuselage last night and brought out the scales. The
welded 4130 fuselage weighed 31 pounds.
This is in the same stage of completion as a wood fuselage with plywood
sides and bottom. No firewall and no seats, just the main boat structure
with no fittings. I got a few replies from people building the long wood
fuselage and their weight is coming in around 70 pounds in this stage of
completion.
Barry D
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Jim,
In answer to several who requested fuse weights I went to the shop and
weighed Repiet.
Spruce framing as per plans, no firewall ( 27 in instead of 24 in)
1/8 ply sides, birch
1/4 marine fir bottom
Front seatback w/ supports
Complete control column w/ control ears, two control sticks and 3 ft torque
tube
Rudder bar in front w/ supports
Pedals and brake cyls with supports for rear pilot
Two 1 1/2 in tailwheel springs
Tailwheel assembly w/ wheel
Total 62 lbs
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JamesJboyer@aol.com
Hi Corky,
That's really interesting. I have the control sticks, torque rod, etc, about
ready to weld up and mount. Also have my tail wheel assembly and rudder pedals
about ready to weld and mount. Don't have brake cylinders yet.
When I get that stuff welded and mounted I will then add the ply (3mm marine
mahogony) to sides. It we are similiar in following plans for controls the
difference between Repiet and my Piet should be the difference between fir and
spruce. I'm going to save your message and compare to my fuselage weight when
its in a similiar state to yours.
Thanks, Corky
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
My Piet fuselage weights 60 lbs with front seat and rear seat and no
firewall and no controls
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=147
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel Fuselage weight
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Jim,
>
> In answer to several who requested fuse weights I went to the shop and
> weighed Repiet.
>
> Spruce framing as per plans, no firewall ( 27 in instead of 24 in)
> 1/8 ply sides, birch
> 1/4 marine fir bottom
> Front seatback w/ supports
> Complete control column w/ control ears, two control sticks and 3 ft
torque
> tube
> Rudder bar in front w/ supports
> Pedals and brake cyls with supports for rear pilot
> Two 1 1/2 in tailwheel springs
> Tailwheel assembly w/ wheel
>
> Total 62 lbs
>
> Corky
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage weight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Yes there is, in the original Flying and Glider manual, 1932, p12, plus
text.
Available as reprints from the EAA.
Clif.
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow"
<rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
>
> My plans are prety old - about 30 years. I don't think they show a metal
> fuselage,, at least not a short one for use with the Ford. Is one
> available?
>
> Bob
>
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