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1. 07:56 AM - John Grega (Jim Vydra)
2. 08:13 AM - Re: John Grega (DJ Vegh)
3. 11:01 AM - Re: John Grega (Jim Vydra)
4. 11:47 AM - Re: John Grega (Michael D Cuy)
5. 12:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol- Wittman (Don White)
6. 01:10 PM - Wittman Tailwind (Barry Davis)
7. 01:27 PM - Re: Pietenpol- Wittman (Robert Gow)
8. 06:57 PM - Re: John Grega (John McNarry)
9. 10:40 PM - Re: Wittman Tailwind (Al Latham)
10. 10:43 PM - McGregor Fly-in Pics (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
11. 10:45 PM - Progress pics (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
12. 11:18 PM - Re: Pietenpol- Wittman (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. 11:28 PM - Re: Milestone (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 11:34 PM - Re: Wittman Tailwind (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 11:44 PM - Re: going against the grain (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
For those that knew my father in law and those that know of him...some interesting
facts discovered while searching for items folks might be interested in obtaining,
During WWII he was a chief flight test engineer on B-29s, afterward he worked on
the project to build the wind tunnels at what is now the NASA Lewis (I believe)
Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. He was involved in model aircraft of all
types since the early 30s. Among his possessions is a letter from Paul Garber,
founder of the Smithsonian Institutes Air and Space Museum, regarding plans
he had received with the intent to build and display the item at the museum.
I don't know if it was a model or a full scale home built. Name of the item
was the Cecil Peoli Racer. Any one familiar with this?
I am amazed what this carpenter with a 10th grade education accomplished.
Jim
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Jim,
Thats great stuff. I enjoy reading it. Whenever you come across
information like this please continue to pass it along to the list.
thanks!
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Vydra" <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Grega
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
>
> For those that knew my father in law and those that know of him...some
interesting facts discovered while searching for items folks might be
interested in obtaining,
>
> During WWII he was a chief flight test engineer on B-29s, afterward he
worked on the project to build the wind tunnels at what is now the NASA
Lewis (I believe) Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. He was involved in
model aircraft of all types since the early 30s. Among his possessions is a
letter from Paul Garber, founder of the Smithsonian Institutes Air and Space
Museum, regarding plans he had received with the intent to build and display
the item at the museum. I don't know if it was a model or a full scale home
built. Name of the item was the Cecil Peoli Racer. Any one familiar with
this?
>
> I am amazed what this carpenter with a 10th grade education accomplished.
>
> Jim
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
Another item i forgot was a purchase order from the U.S. Navy for a set of GN-1
plans to be sent to Annapolis.
DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ
Vegh"
Jim,
Thats great stuff. I enjoy reading it. Whenever you come across
information like this please continue to pass it along to the list.
thanks!
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Vydra"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Grega
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra
>
> For those that knew my father in law and those that know of him...some
interesting facts discovered while searching for items folks might be
interested in obtaining,
>
> During WWII he was a chief flight test engineer on B-29s, afterward he
worked on the project to build the wind tunnels at what is now the NASA
Lewis (I believe) Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. He was involved in
model aircraft of all types since the early 30s. Among his possessions is a
letter from Paul Garber, founder of the Smithsonian Institutes Air and Space
Museum, regarding plans he had received with the intent to build and display
the item at the museum. I don't know if it was a model or a full scale home
built. Name of the item was the Cecil Peoli Racer. Any one familiar with
this?
>
> I am amazed what this carpenter with a 10th grade education accomplished.
>
> Jim
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Jim-- I met your father-in-law and he looked over my Pietenpol at a local
fly in a few years ago in LaGrange, Ohio. (I live in Berea, not too far
from where John lived.) I was wondering if the original GN-1 that your
father-in-law built is anywhere these days or still flying ? Do you know
how many of his own design he ended up building ? Just curious. Thank you !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol- Wittman |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don White" <tailwind1@charter.net>
That's kind of funny, I'm building a Tailwind and thinking about a Pietenpol
for MY next project. Am I just backwards???
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol- Wittman
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/24/03 8:32:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
>
> << Guys--- Have you noticed that there is a general trend with Pietenpol
and
> GN-1 builders that gravitates them toward building a Wittman Tailwind as
> their follow-on project ? >>
>
> Hey Mike,
> I've noticed that !! The Wittman Tailwind is my next project. I have
all
> the ribs done, spars done, tubing bought from Airparts Inc. as well as
some
> other stuff I'm planning on using a Lycoming O-320. If it is built
clean,
> light, and simple, the guys on the Tailwind List says she should cruise
about 180
> mph !!! Steve Wittman and Bernard Pietenpol had a lot in common in their
> designs philosophy. There is a picture of them together in the Wittman
Hanger,
> at Oshkosh. The main difference is that Steve had speed in mind. His
> Buttercup design, however, had slow speed in mind, with the leading edge
flap, that
> worked in unison with the regular flaps. It drooped the leading edge.
The
> Buttercup also comes in under the umbrella of the Sport Pilot Rules.
There is a
> guy that now sells plans (Earl Luce), and parts for the Buttercup.
> http://www.luceair.com/
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Wittman Tailwind |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Ok, now my curiosity is up. Where do I buy Tailwind plans? Is there a site on the
web?
B Davis
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| Subject: | Pietenpol- Wittman |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
They are both airplanes that have always appealed to me.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don White
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol- Wittman
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don White" <tailwind1@charter.net>
That's kind of funny, I'm building a Tailwind and thinking about a Pietenpol
for MY next project. Am I just backwards???
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol- Wittman
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/24/03 8:32:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
>
> << Guys--- Have you noticed that there is a general trend with Pietenpol
and
> GN-1 builders that gravitates them toward building a Wittman Tailwind as
> their follow-on project ? >>
>
> Hey Mike,
> I've noticed that !! The Wittman Tailwind is my next project. I have
all
> the ribs done, spars done, tubing bought from Airparts Inc. as well as
some
> other stuff I'm planning on using a Lycoming O-320. If it is built
clean,
> light, and simple, the guys on the Tailwind List says she should cruise
about 180
> mph !!! Steve Wittman and Bernard Pietenpol had a lot in common in their
> designs philosophy. There is a picture of them together in the Wittman
Hanger,
> at Oshkosh. The main difference is that Steve had speed in mind. His
> Buttercup design, however, had slow speed in mind, with the leading edge
flap, that
> worked in unison with the regular flaps. It drooped the leading edge.
The
> Buttercup also comes in under the umbrella of the Sport Pilot Rules.
There is a
> guy that now sells plans (Earl Luce), and parts for the Buttercup.
> http://www.luceair.com/
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Jim
As I get older I am more and more amazed at what people
accomplish.
As to the Tenth Grade Education, with no offence intended to those of us
that strived for "higher learning", the school of real world experience
often seems to be the best. After all isn't what people like Bernard and
John have done that captivates our interest?
John Mc
Still instructing apprentices.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Vydra
Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Grega
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
For those that knew my father in law and those that know of him...some
interesting facts discovered while searching for items folks might be
interested in obtaining,
During WWII he was a chief flight test engineer on B-29s, afterward he
worked on the project to build the wind tunnels at what is now the NASA
Lewis (I believe) Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. He was involved in
model aircraft of all types since the early 30s. Among his possessions
is a letter from Paul Garber, founder of the Smithsonian Institutes Air
and Space Museum, regarding plans he had received with the intent to
build and display the item at the museum. I don't know if it was a
model or a full scale home built. Name of the item was the Cecil Peoli
Racer. Any one familiar with this?
I am amazed what this carpenter with a 10th grade education
accomplished.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Wittman Tailwind |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
Barry,
Aircraft Spruce ownes the rights to the Wittman W-10, plans are $180.00.
For the Wittman Buttercup go to www.luceair.com
Do not archive.
Al Latham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wittman Tailwind
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>
> Ok, now my curiosity is up. Where do I buy Tailwind plans? Is there a site
on the web?
> B Davis
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| Subject: | McGregor Fly-in Pics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I posted pics from the McGregor Fly-in and fish fry last weekend at the
following address. Several are of Bob Sieberts beautiful airplane.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=150
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I also posted some recent pics of our Pietenpol in progress.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=151
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol- Wittman |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/24/03 11:18:17 PM Central Daylight Time, geebeed@grm.net
writes:
<< Airparts, Chuck were are you from?
Al Latham
Lathrop, MO. >>
Hey Al,
I was on the way back to Wichita last year, and stopped in Kansas City to
pick up the Tailwind tubing...hauled it all back in my Honda Prelude.
Where is Lathrop ? Being the next state over, it sounds like it might be
within range of a Pietenpol !!
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita, KS
NX770CG
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/24/03 11:25:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
<< Dihedral, schmihedral! I'll have a bit of washout too!!! SO THERE!!!!
:-) >>
Jim,
I checked out your shutterfly album. I need to do that with mine, too. It's
a really good way to scan thru the progress. Lookin' good !!
Oh, by the way, there is no dihedral, or washout in the Pietenpol plans, or
any of the planes that BHP built. There is no dihedral or washout in the
Tailwind, either. Wonder why these two Guru's of aircraft design chose not to
use
it...maybe it's because bent and twisted wings are for sissy's !!! :)
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Wittman Tailwind |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/03 3:11:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
bed@mindspring.com writes:
<< Ok, now my curiosity is up. Where do I buy Tailwind plans? Is there a site
on the web?
B Davis >>
Barry,
Aircraft Spruce has the rights to them, sell for $180. The Jim Clements Mods
are the way to go, too.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: going against the grain |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 9/25/03 8:38:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
<< Chuck-- being friends with Frank Pavliga since about 1985 or so and his
best man, when I decided to build my Piet I wanted to really aggravate him
by doing things like adding brakes, a tailwheel w/ leaf springs, using
chrome, having a glossy finish, and adding dihedral. It drove him nuts,
I'm sure since he was such a purist about these things. Like Bernie
never tried all kinds of different things, you know ? Hah. I love it.
Mike C. >>
I'm sure Bernard (I understand he prefered that name, rather than Bernie)
tried all kinds of different things...but he, and Frank Pavliga also realized
that 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!'
Chuck G.
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