---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/02/03: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Re: Tail weight (Michael D Cuy) 2. 05:13 AM - a neat note from John Grega's son....... (Michael D Cuy) 3. 06:24 AM - Re: Tailwheels (Gadd, Skip) 4. 10:43 AM - EAA Manuals (Jim Vydra) 5. 10:47 AM - Re: Tail weight (Gadd, Skip) 6. 11:06 AM - Re: Tail weight (JamesJboyer@aol.com) 7. 11:53 AM - Jim's wt. is more complete (Michael D Cuy) 8. 11:55 AM - headset ideas ? (Michael D Cuy) 9. 12:20 PM - Re: Tail weight (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 01:14 PM - Re: headset ideas ? (del magsam) 11. 01:21 PM - Re: Tail weight (del magsam) 12. 02:50 PM - Re: headset ideas ? (Gene Rambo) 13. 05:50 PM - Re: Tail weight (Rcaprd@aol.com) 14. 06:31 PM - Re: headset ideas ? (Leo Gates) 15. 07:49 PM - Re: headset ideas ? (Jim Ash) 16. 09:14 PM - any Piet's near to Dallas, Tx. (javier cruz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:43 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Corky--- Just happen to have my 6" solid rubber tailwheel and two leaf springs here at work. (gotta drill two holes at lunch time in the one new leaf.) I came up with 7 lbs. for the complete tailwheel/spring assy. so your 8 pounds sounds very close. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:24 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: a neat note from John Grega's son....... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy guys-- I rec'd an off-list e-mail from John Grega's son R.J. the other day with this info he wrote cut and pasted below. I asked his permission to forward it to the group and he gave me the ok to do so. Michael, Looking thru the Pietenpol Digest I saw your question's posed to my brother-in-law Jim Vydra. I think I can better answer your questions. Dad started his GN-1 project early in 1958 and five years later 4705G was flying. Dad being a licensed pilot,test flew his first GN-1 utilizing a GN modified clip wing off a J-3 Cub for which the original fuselage design was intended. Simultaneously a fellow EAA'er,Andy Scinkovec of Bedford Hts.expressed his desire to build a GN-1 using the modernized Pietenpol wing. Dad and Andy finished this aircraft a few years later. Sorry can't remember the exact year, that was a while ago! Dad had to quit flying quit early because of his health, but always enjoyed sharing flying stories with other GN-1 builders. I don't know whatever happened to these two aircraft, I often wonder myself if their still flying! Regards, R.J. Grega Isn't that cool info ? There is so much written about Bernard Pietenpol, and rightly so but this contact with John Grega's son gives those builders some insight and background that I would think would be neat to know information. Please read R.J's response to my return e-mail below. I did run an FAA registration search for R.J. on his father's N4705G and that number now belongs to a Cessna somewhere in TX as I recall. R.J is aware of our discussion group/e-mail list and I believe still advertises and markets his father's plans. Read more from him below: Feel free to post that Email I sent you on the Pietenpol site, I know a lot of GN-1 ers would like to see it. Speaking of the GN-1 ers, I think they feel like their the odd man out in regards to information and help for them on the internet. With that in mind I ve decided to put together a GN-1 Aircamper web site. A site with some history, a forum, and some other things I have in mind. I hope to have the GN-1 Site up and running before the end of the year. If you don t mind you might put a plug in for it at the discussion group, I d appreciate it! Thanks again. Regards, R.J. guys-- I rec'd an off-list e-mail from John Grega's son R.J. the other day with this info he wrote cut and pasted below.  I asked his permission to forward it to the group and he gave me the ok to do so. 

Michael, Looking thru the Pietenpol Digest I saw your question's posed to my
brother-in-law Jim Vydra. I think I can better answer your questions. Dad
started his GN-1 project early in 1958 and five years later 4705G was
flying. Dad being a licensed pilot,test flew his first GN-1 utilizing a GN
modified clip wing off a J-3 Cub for which the original fuselage design was
intended. Simultaneously a fellow EAA'er,Andy Scinkovec of Bedford
Hts.expressed his desire to build a GN-1 using the modernized Pietenpol
wing. Dad and Andy finished this aircraft a few years later. Sorry can't
remember the exact year, that was a while ago!
Dad had to quit flying quit early because of his health, but always enjoyed
sharing flying stories with other GN-1 builders.
I don't know whatever happened to these two aircraft, I often wonder myself
if their still flying!
Regards,
R.J. Grega

Isn't that cool info ?  There is so much written about Bernard Pietenpol, and rightly so but this contact with John Grega's son gives those builders some insight and background that I would think would be neat to know information.   Please read R.J's response to my return e-mail below.    I did run an FAA registration search for R.J. on his father's N4705G and that number now belongs to a Cessna somewhere in TX as I recall.    R.J is aware of our discussion group/e-mail list and I believe still advertises and markets his father's plans.    Read more from him below: 

 Feel free to post that Email I sent you on the Pietenpol site, I know a lot of GN-1 ers would like to see it. Speaking of the GN-1 ers, I think they feel like their the odd man out in regards to information and help for them on the internet. With that in mind I ve decided to put together a GN-1 Aircamper web site. A site with some history, a forum, and some other things I have in mind. I hope to have the GN-1 Site up and running before the end of the year. If you don t mind you might put a plug in for it at the discussion group, I d appreciate it! Thanks again.
Regards,  R.J.
        

________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:27 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheels --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" John, Very nice job on the Piet, very clean work, I REALLY like your prop. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I want the leaf spring type tail wheel mainly because it gives me a bigger footprint, I also think it looks cool. Also this type of tail skid is on the original Flyer and Glider plans, all I'm doing is adding a wheel. Skip PS Oscar, thanks for the great report on Johns Piet.Anyone who hasn't checked out the below link, it is worth it. >John wrote; >I have been following the discussion re: tailwheels and can't understand why one should > >change the basic design of the original Pietenpol tail SKID. >Go to http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html where Oscar Zuniga posted some > >information on my tailwheel installation. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:59 AM PST US From: Jim Vydra Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Manuals --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra --0-739036030-1065116604=:84123 I just found some EAA manuals and a few fly-in programs....Listed them on ebay....most start at $2.00.....2 items are listed twice because I have 2 of em. Jim --0-739036030-1065116604=:84123
I just found some EAA manuals and a few fly-in programs....Listed them on ebay....most start at $2.00.....2 items are listed twice because I have 2 of em.
 
Jim
--0-739036030-1065116604=:84123-- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:40 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Del, I'll bite, how do you know the Sonex tailwheel is strong enough? Looked at the Sonex website, will he sell the Titanium tailwheel spring to a non-sonex builder? Skip --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam >This is how I feel, people are making their tailwheels way too heavy, take a look at the >sonex tailwheel, and copy it, it is really good, light and strong, ask me how I know. It >also handles way better than any other tailwheel airplane. Del ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:54 AM PST US From: JamesJboyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JamesJboyer@aol.com Hi Mike and Corky, Just weighed my tailwheel, two springs, two bolts (welded to small steel plate) and nuts for bolts. Total weighed 8.5 pounds. cheers, Jim Hi Mike and Corky,

Just weighed my tailwheel, two springs, two bolts (welded to small steel pla= te) and nuts for bolts. Total weighed 8.5 pounds.

cheers, Jim
 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:33 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim's wt. is more complete --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Jim-- yes, the two bolts and plate they are welded to add up and the clamp to keep the two leaves together. That wt. sounds right--- now after 3 of us (excuse the pun) "weighed in". Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:33 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: headset ideas ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy please do not archive For those of you who fly more closed cabin and do more radio work, do you have any recommendation for buying a new active noise reduction headset ? I like the reviews I've read on the Lightspeed line and Bose is over my head price-wise. I'd like to get something for flying closed cockpit, but noisy still and to do radio work. thank you to those who have been there, done that, Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:19 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com -------------------------------1065122397 Thanks for the reply and info. I feel a bit better Corky in, you wouldn't believe, beautiful La Do not Archive -------------------------------1065122397 tutf-8">
Thanks for the reply and info. I feel a bit better
 
Corky in, you wouldn't believe, beautiful La
 
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-------------------------------1065122397-- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:59 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headset ideas ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam --0-722680556-1065125672=:74664 Here is a couple of good options I've picked up from the sonex group Michael A link to some good ones: http://www.drecomm.com/6kservice.htm and the following is copied from the sonex list: ADVERTISEMENT Hi Don, as usual I am a bit late on reply. I was also looking into ANR headsets recently and had all the prices etc. I had narrowed it down to the Flightcom classic too, mostly based on price. But I have just installed a Headsets Inc kit into an old Altronics headset. I figured if I ruined the job it wouldn't cost much. I re-wired the entire headset because the cables were had it. It took a bit of time to draw up of the original wiring and make sure the kit would be wired properly but it isn't all that hard. The kit instructions are very clear. Anyway I tried it out the other day in my Dad's Minicab with Jabiru 2200 engine. It was fantastic. I would describe it as total elimination of any "booming" noise. You still hear the engine as well as a slight hiss. I turned it off to compare and eventually had to leave it on. So I am ordering another kit next week to put in my good Dave Clark headset. I will be wiring in a 12V to 9V regulator and supplying the ANR power directly rather than using batteries. You can get voltage converter kits at electronics stores. I am using an Xcom intercom with the Microair radio. I can only test in in the workshop at the moment but I am impressed. It allows a music and warning inputs too, so I have wired up for a CD player. Lynn Jarvis Michael D Cuy wrote:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy please do not archive For those of you who fly more closed cabin and do more radio work, do you have any recommendation for buying a new active noise reduction headset ? I like the reviews I've read on the Lightspeed line and Bose is over my head price-wise. I'd like to get something for flying closed cockpit, but noisy still and to do radio work. thank you to those who have been there, done that, Mike C. Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- --0-722680556-1065125672=:74664
Here is a couple of good options I've picked up from the sonex group Michael
A link to some good  ones:
http://www.drecomm.com/6kservice.htm

 

and the following is copied from the sonex list:

ADVERTISEMENT
click here
Hi Don,

as usual I am a bit late on reply.

I was also looking into ANR headsets recently and had all the prices etc. I
had narrowed it down to the Flightcom classic too, mostly based on price.

But I have just installed a Headsets Inc kit into an old Altronics headset.
I figured if I ruined the job it wouldn't cost much. I re-wired the entire
headset because the cables were had it. It took a bit of time to draw up of
the original wiring and make sure the kit wo uld be wired properly but it
isn't all that hard. The kit instructions are very clear.

Anyway I tried it out the other day in my Dad's Minicab with Jabiru 2200
engine. It was fantastic. I would describe it as total elimination of any
"booming" noise. You still hear the engine as well as a slight hiss. I
turned it off to compare and eventually had to leave it on. So I am ordering
another kit next week to put in my good Dave Clark headset. I will be wiring
in a 12V to 9V regulator and supplying the ANR power directly rather than
using batteries. You can get voltage converter kits at electronics stores.

I am using an Xcom intercom with the Microair radio. I can only test in in
the workshop at the moment but I am impressed. It allows a music and warning
inputs too, so I have wired up for a CD player.

Lynn Jarvis

Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote: --0-722680556-1065125672=:74664-- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:37 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam --0-1918687955-1065126092=:28821 It is just a titanium rod that is cut to length and 2 holes drilled in it. It can be bought anywhere cheaper than buying it from sonex. the metal parts are simple to make, I can supply the dimensions. How do I figure they're strong enough? because they're on a plane that is the same weight as a pietenpol. none has ever broken, I've slammed mine in several times. The direct steering system without the full swiveling feature increases ground handling by 100 percent Del "Gadd, Skip" wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Del, I'll bite, how do you know the Sonex tailwheel is strong enough? Looked at the Sonex website, will he sell the Titanium tailwheel spring to a non-sonex builder? Skip --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam >This is how I feel, people are making their tailwheels way too heavy, take a look at the >sonex tailwheel, and copy it, it is really good, light and strong, ask me how I know. It >also handles way better than any other tailwheel airplane. Del Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- --0-1918687955-1065126092=:28821
It is just a titanium rod that is cut to length and 2 holes drilled in it. It can be bought anywhere cheaper than buying it from sonex. the metal parts are simple to make, I can supply the dimensions. How do I figure they're strong enough? because they're on a plane that is the same weight as a pietenpol. none has ever broken, I've slammed mine in several times. The direct steering system without the full swiveling feature increases ground handling by 100 percent
Del

"Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov> wrote:
g on the --0-1918687955-1065126092=:28821-- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:08 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headset ideas ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" Yea, forget the radio in an open cockpit. If you want to turn radios, get a closed cabin. The best advice I can give. Gene ;) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: headset ideas ? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > please do not archive > > For those of you who fly more closed cabin and do more radio work, do you > have any recommendation for buying a new active noise reduction headset > ? I like the reviews I've read on the Lightspeed line and Bose is over my > head price-wise. I'd like to get something for flying closed cockpit, but > noisy still and to do radio work. > > thank you to those who have been there, done that, > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:38 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/1/03 10:49:52 PM Central Daylight Time, Gnwac@cs.com writes: << As a new Piet builder, is there a reason in the community why many don't use the plans design tail wheel spring method and rather go with the leaf and steerable tail wheel? >> I used the plans design triangle skid, (short fuse), coil spring, and recently put a steerable tailwheel to the aft end of it. I used a 3 1/2" wheel I bought at Harbor Freight, removed the ball bearings from it, and used 'Oilite Brass Bearings' in the wheel, as well as in the pivot point of the steering. I used 1/16" cable all the way up to the inboard portion of the rudder bar. I ran these cables thru nylon tubing thru the back cockpit, about 1 1/2" from each side of the torque tube. Everything is working very well. Chuck G. full fuel for a week and a half, waiting for the chance to burn some... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:47 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headset ideas ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Leo Gates I have added Headsets Inc. ANR modules to my two Flightcom DX 5 headsets - work beautifully. I usually use them in my BC12-D Taylorcraft. However, my neighbor has a Ryan PT-22 (open cockpit) and we have used my headsets with a Flightcom intercom and a Icom hand held. Talk to other aircraft and towers just fine. Leo Gates Michael D Cuy wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > >please do not archive > >For those of you who fly more closed cabin and do more radio work, do you >have any recommendation for buying a new active noise reduction headset >? I like the reviews I've read on the Lightspeed line and Bose is over my >head price-wise. I'd like to get something for flying closed cockpit, but >noisy still and to do radio work. > >thank you to those who have been there, done that, > >Mike C. > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:21 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headset ideas ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I bought the same kit as an add-on for one of my Dave Clark H10-40 headsets, for use in my Cub, which rarely has the door closed. It was $159 when I bought it 4 years ago. Jim Ash At 10/2/2003 08:31 PM -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Leo Gates > >I have added Headsets Inc. ANR modules to my two Flightcom DX 5 headsets >- work beautifully. I usually use them in my BC12-D Taylorcraft. > However, my neighbor has a Ryan PT-22 (open cockpit) and we have used >my headsets with a Flightcom intercom and a Icom hand held. Talk to >other aircraft and towers just fine. > >Leo Gates > >Michael D Cuy wrote: > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > >please do not archive > > > >For those of you who fly more closed cabin and do more radio work, do you > >have any recommendation for buying a new active noise reduction headset > >? I like the reviews I've read on the Lightspeed line and Bose is over my > >head price-wise. I'd like to get something for flying closed cockpit, but > >noisy still and to do radio work. > > > >thank you to those who have been there, done that, > > > >Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:00 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Pietenpol-List: any Piet's near to Dallas, Tx. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz Hi friends I would like to know if there are some Piets at or near to Dallas Tx, i have to take training of GII on Simuflite from 13 to 29 this month, and i want to take the chance for see some Piets or Corvair engines.. Thanks for your information Javier Cruz Do not archive __________________________________