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1. 04:58 PM - tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:56 PM - Re: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice (Kip & Beth Gardner)
3. 06:33 PM - Corvair engine assembly! - pics (DJ Vegh)
4. 07:46 PM - Re: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice (John Dilatush)
5. 08:07 PM - Re: headset ideas ? (TomTravis@aol.com)
6. 08:24 PM - Re: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 09:28 PM - Fuel Tank Requirements (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Subject: | tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Anyone with brakelss, tailskid experience out there? am compiling tips
and advice from guys who know how. What are some good runup tricks and
steering and general handling techniques that have worked. Please only
offer advice if it is first-hand experience, I've heard enough second
hand horror stories to last me for a while.
thanks,
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Anyone with brakelss, tailskid
experience out
there? am compiling tips and advice from guys who know how.
What are
some good runup tricks and steering and general handling techniques that
have
worked. Please only offer advice if it is first-hand experience,
I've
heard enough second hand horror stories to last me for a
while.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: | Re: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 8:01 PM -0400 10/05/03, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
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>Anyone with brakelss, tailskid experience out there? am compiling tips
>and advice from guys who know how. What are some good runup tricks and
>steering and general handling techniques that have worked. Please only
>offer advice if it is first-hand experience, I've heard enough second
>hand horror stories to last me for a while.
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>thanks,
>Douwe
>douweblumberg@earthlink.net
Douwe,
Frank Pavliga, builder & owner of 'Sky Gypsy' is probably the guy you want
to talk to. Tail skid, no brakes & been flying it for years & years off of
grass. I've watched him fly it any number of times, but have never been up
in it myself. He's a local, but well known in Piet World.
I don't think he is fond of e-mail, you'd probably have to get hold of him
by phone. He lives in Rootstown, OH.
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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Subject: | Corvair engine assembly! - pics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having
machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me. I began assembly!
I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one last
time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor oil,
oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound,
form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly after
breakfast.
It was a very enjoyable experience! I had fun.
I took quite a few shots as I went along. They are on today's entry of my
construction log: here:
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm
This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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Subject: | Re: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
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Douwe,
How close to finishing your plane are you?
John
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> Anyone with brakelss, tailskid experience out there? am compiling tips
> and advice from guys who know how. What are some good runup tricks and
> steering and general handling techniques that have worked. Please only
> offer advice if it is first-hand experience, I've heard enough second
> hand horror stories to last me for a while.
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> thanks,
> Douwe
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> there? am compiling tips and advice from guys who know how.
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> worked. Please only offer advice if it is first-hand experience,
> I've
> heard enough second hand horror stories to last me for a
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Subject: | Re: headset ideas ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Mike,
I've tried the Telex ANR's as well as the Lightspeeds and Bose. The Telex is
a might heavier but seems to work as well or better than the others. The Bose
is lighter, a lot more expensive and, in my opinion, are overrated. There is a
company in Amarillo, Texas that will take your David Clarks and turn them
into ANR's. I've found that the earpieces make a lot of difference. Oregon Aero
makes good earpieces to fit most any headset.
My wife has hearing troubles and insists on ANR's. After all these years my
ears are pretty much shot anyway.
Tom Travis
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Subject: | Re: tailskid, brakeless groundhandling advice |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/03 6:59:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
douweblumberg@earthlink.net writes:
<< Anyone with brakelss, tailskid experience out there? >>
Douwe,
I have about 36 hrs on my Piet, with the plans built tail skid, short
fuselage, and no brakes. It works suprisingly very well...ON THE GRASS. Take
off,
and landing were no problem (well almost), after I got some time in the seat.
I always did run - up in the chocks, climb back out to remove the chocks, then
climb back in. It was much easier if someone was around to help, but that
wasn't always the case. Before I moved the wing back, with the Model A still on
'er, I would get some forward motion with about half power (maybe 1 or 2
mph), holding full forward stick to lighten up the tail, add full rudder, and she
would just turn around like I had brakes to pivot 'er around at the wing tip.
After moving the wing back 3 1/2" it would do the turn with the pivot point
about 5' outboard of the wing tip. I'm here to say, that the short fuselage,
Model A engine, no brakes and tail skid, the Pietenpol Aircamper handles very
well - ON THE GRASS...ya just gotta stay ahead of the airplane. On hard
surface, though, it's a totally different story...ya can't stay ahead of the plane
if it doesn't take you to where you wanna go !! With a tail skid the tail
just has a mind of it's own, on hard surface.
Chuck Gantzer
logged 2.3 hr flight today - Beautiful day to do two T.P. drops, take 7
aerial photos, and a lap around Cheeney lake !! Ten sail boats on the lake.
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Subject: | Fuel Tank Requirements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
I recently sent Ed G. some ideas on how I did my fuel tank...thought I might
post it to the group.
First, I set out my design criteria :
1) No fittings in the cowling, so there is no chance of fuel leaks inside
the cowling, or passenger compartment.
2) In the tail down attitude (static laden) all the water in the fuel must
make it's way out of the tank, to the gascolator.
3) Make use of every available cubic inch, for fuel quantity.
4) Simple, effective fuel quantity indicator, while in flight. - Cork /
Wire in the filler cap of the cowling tank, like on a J3 Cub. Each of my two
fuel caps also has a 1/4" copper ram tube J.B. welded into the caps, and 90
bend pointing into the slipstream, to keep a positive pressure in the tank.
I made my fiberglass cowl tank with the flanges on the sides of the tank,
to rest on the top of the longerons. The flanges are about 10 layers thick,
with the layers laid 90 bend to the exterior of the tank. I used polyester
resin, and at least 4 layers of fiberglass on both tanks. I used several extra
layers around any fittings and mounts. I put a lot of time and thought into
the mold for the tank. I made the inlet on the top left side, (at about 10
O'clock pilot's view), and made a fiberglass blister stand outboard of the
cowling, to prevent posibility of leaks entering the cowling. The outlet is also
outside of the cowling shelf, and points forward, through the firewall. The
bottom of the tank slopes forward, while in the tail down attitude (as it sits
in the hanger), so any water in the tank makes it's way all the way out of the
tank, and into the gascolator (a very important design criteria). The aft
bottom also has a step in it, that also sloaps forward, to make use of the space
all the way back to the cabane cables.
I used the aluminum 'weldable fittings' that AS&S sells, grinded the
outboard ring off, and glassed them in at the inlet and outlet. On the outlet
side, I modified a finger screen, so it threads into the 'weldable fitting', by
taping the o.d. threads, and then install the 90 EL, which threads into the
'weldable fitting' on top of the finger screen. To service the finger screen,
the 90 EL has to be removed first.
As a result, I was able to squeeze a lot of fuel in the cowling tank. It
holds 10.7 gals. I didn't know how much fuel it would hold, till I did a
leak test, by setting it up at the gas pump, at the angle the tank sits in the
plane with the tail down, and put one gallon in at a time, then dipping a stick
into the fuel, to mark off each additional gallon. That's how I made my 'Fuel
Quantity Indicator Stick'. I topped it all the way off, then put the full
tank in my trunk, brought it home and left it sit for 3 or 4 days to check for
leaks - No Leaks !! My wing tank holds 9.8 gals. so my total fuel onboard
can be 20 gal. That's a lot of fuel. I don't think I could sit there long
enough to burn that much fuel at a time, but on the way back from Oshkosh, I did
do one 4 hr leg, and two 3 1/2 hr legs, and still had plenty of reserve. But
you know what they say - "The only time you have too much fuel onboard, is when
you're on fire !!" It was quite a chore to design and build this tank, but
it all works very well, and I'm pleased with how it turned out.
A note about fiberglass fuel tanks: It is of utmost importance, that you
NEVER use any fuel with alcohol in it. It will soften the polyester resin,
and you'll have to scrap the tank.
My scanner stopped working, so I can't send you any pics. I sure wish I
could send pics that I took, as it would easily explain what I've just put in
text. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Chuck G.
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