---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/07/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:47 AM - Re: Corvair engine assembly! - pics (DJ Vegh) 2. 09:47 AM - Re: Corvair engine assembly! - pics (DJ Vegh) 3. 10:18 AM - Re: Endurance, By Chuck Gantzer (Carbarvo@aol.com) 4. 10:47 AM - Re: Corvair engine assembly! - pics (Ken Rickards) 5. 11:28 AM - Re: Corvair engine assembly! - pics (Ken Rickards) 6. 01:29 PM - Re: Corvair engine cleaning (DJ Vegh) 7. 05:33 PM - shoulder harness (Douwe Blumberg) 8. 07:33 PM - Re: shoulder harness (del magsam) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:58 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" Ken, I just made a link on the bottom of the latest entry which leads to a before and after shot. here's the link directly ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Rickards Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" Just looking at your engine pics again. Would be cool to see a before and after shot next to each other, just to show what can be done with the right motivation. Looking forward to seeing a best plans build award hanging off the prop when you get it to Oshkosh. Again... Nice work. Ken GN1 2992 Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having > machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me. I began assembly! > > I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one last > time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor oil, > oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound, > form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly after > breakfast. > > It was a very enjoyable experience! I had fun. > > I took quite a few shots as I went along. They are on today's entry of my > construction log: here: > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm > > This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > = = http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report = = = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .=
Ken, I just made a link on the bottom of the latest entry which leads to a before and after shot.
 
here's the link directly
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics

--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" <pietbuilder@cogeco.ca>
Just looking at your engine pics again.  Would be cool to see a before and
after shot next to each other,  just to show what can be done with the right
motivation.

Looking forward to seeing a best plans build award hanging off the prop when
you get it to Oshkosh.

Again... Nice work.

Ken

GN1 2992

Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
To= : <pietenpol-list@matronics.com= >
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics


> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
&g= t;
> Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having
> machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me.  I began
assembly!
>
> I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one last
> time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor oil,
> oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound,
> form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly after
> breakfast.
>
> It was a very enjoyable experience!  I had fun.
>
> I took quite a few shots as I went along.  They are on today's entry of my
> construction log: here:
>
> ht= tp://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm
>> This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads.
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
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= This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:58 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" oopps forgot the link http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/corvair-comparison.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Rickards Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" Just looking at your engine pics again. Would be cool to see a before and after shot next to each other, just to show what can be done with the right motivation. Looking forward to seeing a best plans build award hanging off the prop when you get it to Oshkosh. Again... Nice work. Ken GN1 2992 Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having > machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me. I began assembly! > > I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one last > time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor oil, > oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound, > form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly after > breakfast. > > It was a very enjoyable experience! I had fun. > > I took quite a few shots as I went along. They are on today's entry of my > construction log: here: > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm > > This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > = = http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report = = = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .=
oopps   forgot the link
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics

--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" <pietbuilder@cogeco.ca>
Just looking at your engine pics again.  Would be cool to see a before and
after shot next to each other,  just to show what can be done with the right
motivation.

Looking forward to seeing a best plans build award hanging off the prop when
you get it to Oshkosh.

Again... Nice work.

Ken

GN1 2992

Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
To= : <pietenpol-list@matronics.com= >
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics


> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
&g= t;
> Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having
> machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me.  I began
assembly!
>
> I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one last
> time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor oil,
> oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound,
> form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly after
> breakfast.
>
> It was a very enjoyable experience!  I had fun.
>
> I took quite a few shots as I went along.  They are on today's entry of my
> construction log: here:
>
> ht= tp://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm
>> This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads.
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
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= This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:36 AM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Endurance, By Chuck Gantzer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Morphene helps....Do not archive....Carl V. Morphene helps....Do not archive....Carl V. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:48 AM PST US From: "Ken Rickards" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" Thanks DJ. With yours looking so good, it gives me something to shoot for... Ken GN1 2992 Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > Ken, I just made a link on the bottom of the latest entry which leads to > a before and after shot. > > here's the link directly > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Rickards > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" > > > Just looking at your engine pics again. Would be cool to see a before > and > after shot next to each other, just to show what can be done with the > right > motivation. > > Looking forward to seeing a best plans build award hanging off the prop > when > you get it to Oshkosh. > > Again... Nice work. > > Ken > > GN1 2992 > > Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ Vegh" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > > > Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having > > machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me. I began > assembly! > > > > I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one > last > > time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor > oil, > > oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound, > > form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly > after > > breakfast. > > > > It was a very enjoyable experience! I had fun. > > > > I took quite a few shots as I went along. They are on today's entry > of my > > construction log: here: > > > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm > > > > This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads. > > > > DJ Vegh > > N74DV > > Mesa, AZ > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= > y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more > information on an anti-virus email solution, visit osting.com/av.asp>.= > > > > > > > >
Ken, size2>I just made a > link on the bottom of the latest entry which leads to a before and after > > shot.
>
 
>
here's the link directly
>
 
>
 
>
 
>
>

--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" > < href"mailto:pietbuilder@cogeco.ca">pietbuilder@cogeco.ca>
R>Just > looking at your engine pics again.  Would be cool to see a before > and
after shot next to each other,  just to show what can be > done with > the right
motivation.

Looking forward to seeing a best plans > build > award hanging off the prop when
you get it to > Oshkosh.

Again... Nice > work.

Ken

GN1 2992

Canada

----- Original > Message > -----
From: "DJ Vegh" < href"mailto:aircamper@imagedv.com">aircamper@imagedv.com>
To= > : < href"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com">pietenpol-list@matronics.com= > >
Subject: > Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics


> --> > Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" < href"mailto:aircamper@imagedv.com">aircamper@imagedv.com>
&g= > t;
> > Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having
> > machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me.  I > began
assembly!
>
> I spent nearly 3 hours last night > cleaning > and prepping the cases one last
> time. This morning I gathered up > the > recommended supplies, STP, motor oil,
> oil squirt can, rubber > mallet, > moly lube, anti-seize compound,
> form-a-gasket, white linen > cotton shop > towels and started assembly after
> breakfast.
>
> It > was a > very enjoyable experience!  I had fun.
>
> I took quite > a few > shots as I went along.  They are on today's entry of my
> > construction log: here:
>
> href"http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm">ht= > tp://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm
> R>> > This week I'll be putting in the > pistons/cylinders/heads.
>
> DJ > Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
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> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= > y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more > information on an anti-virus email solution, visit osting.com/av.asp>.= > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:20 AM PST US From: "Ken Rickards" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" DJ. How did you get your heads so clean? Ken GN1 2992 Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > Well....... after over a year of gathering up parts and having > machining/welding work done, today was a big day for me. I began assembly! > > I spent nearly 3 hours last night cleaning and prepping the cases one last > time. This morning I gathered up the recommended supplies, STP, motor oil, > oil squirt can, rubber mallet, moly lube, anti-seize compound, > form-a-gasket, white linen cotton shop towels and started assembly after > breakfast. > > It was a very enjoyable experience! I had fun. > > I took quite a few shots as I went along. They are on today's entry of my > construction log: here: > > http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/10-05-03.htm > > This week I'll be putting in the pistons/cylinders/heads. > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:13 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine cleaning --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" Ken, When I first got my heads they were VERY dirty. The man who sold it to me told me it had been sitting for almost 20 years in a barn somwhere in the Pacific Northwest. It was caked on with crud, oil, and even found a couple rodent nests under the baffling. The first step in getting it clean was to pressure wahs it at the local car wash. That got the big chunks off. Then I bought about 4 cans of Easy Off oven cleaner. This stuff is awesome! Youhave to be very careful when you use it as it will attack aluminum. What I did was spray it on fairly generously and then let it sit for about 5 minutes. Then pressure wash it off. Do that about 4 or 5 times and the case and heads look silver almost like new. The next step in getting them really really clean is walnut shell blast them. Using my blasting cabinet and medium AD6B walnut shell media (which I got locally for $25 for a 50lb bag) I blasted them in every nook and cranny. Took me about 2 hours of blasting to get them perfectly clean. I did the same with the case. Under NO circumstance will you use glass bead or sand media. You will ruin the case and heads. Walnuts are very safe on aluminum.... althought you still must stay away from machined and/or gasket areas. The final step was a 1" wire brush in my hand drill. I went over the entire case and heads with it which gave them a slightly polished look. As you can see my heads are modified a la Pat Panzera & Mark Langford with the carb flange routed off and then polished and then a 90 degree intake pipe welded on. It pays to take the extra time to make your parts REALLY clean. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Rickards Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" DJ. How did you get your heads so clean? Ken GN1 2992 Canada = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .=
Ken,
 
When I first got my heads they were VERY dirty.  The man who sold it to me told me it had been sitting for almost 20 years in a barn somwhere in the Pacific Northwest.   It was caked on with crud, oil, and  even found a couple rodent nests under the baffling.
 
The first step in getting it clean was to pressure wahs it at the local car wash.   That got the big chunks off.  Then I bought about 4 cans of Easy Off oven cleaner.  This stuff is awesome!  Youhave to be very careful when you use it as it will attack aluminum.  What I did was spray it on fairly generously and then let it sit for about 5 minutes.  Then pressure wash it off.  Do that about 4 or 5 times and the case and heads look silver almost like new.
 
The next step in getting them really really clean is walnut shell blast them.  Using my blasting cabinet and medium AD6B walnut shell media (which I got locally for $25 for a 50lb bag) I blasted them in every nook and cranny.  Took me about 2 hours of blasting to get them perfectly clean.
 
I did the same with the case.  Under NO circumstance will you use glass bead or sand media.  You will ruin the case and heads.  Walnuts are very safe on aluminum.... althought you still must stay away from machined and/or gasket areas.
 
The final step was a 1" wire brush in my hand drill.  I went over the entire case and heads with it which gave them a slightly polished look.
 
As you can see my heads are modified a la Pat Panzera & Mark Langford with the carb flange routed off and then polished and then a 90 degree intake pipe welded on.
 
It pays to take the extra time to make your parts REALLY clean. 
 
DJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine assembly! - pics

--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Rickards" <pietbuilder@cogeco.ca>
DJ.

How did you get your heads so clean?

Ken

GN1 2992

Canada
= This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing b= y Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:15 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: shoulder harness --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" I want to put a shoulder harness in my piet. The crossmember behind the pilot is low and I've heard that there are fears of spinal compression injuries in case of impact... which kind of makes sense. I'm thinking of reinforcing the turtle deck former behind the pilot and running the harness out of the very top of that and then running a cable back in the fuselage to some solid cluster or even to the tailskid/keel area. Passenger harness can obviously go to the cabanes so that's easy. What have you guys done or seen that works. My problem also is that I purchased a project and the fuselage is already covered but the guy made no provisions for seat belts of any kind so I've got to go in and retrofit something. thoughts?? Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net
I want to put a shoulder harness in my piet.  The crossmember behind the pilot is low and I've heard that there are fears of spinal compression injuries in case of impact... which kind of makes sense.  I'm thinking of reinforcing the turtle deck former behind the pilot and running the harness out of the very top of that and then running a cable back in the fuselage to some solid cluster or even to the tailskid/keel area.  Passenger harness can obviously go to the cabanes so that's easy.  What have you guys done or seen that works.  My problem also is that I purchased a project and the fuselage is already covered but the guy made no provisions for seat belts of any kind so I've got to go in and retrofit something.
 
thoughts??
 
Douwe Blumberg
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:56 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shoulder harness --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam --0-1271371753-1065580409=:87529 Douwe Blumberg wrote:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" I want to put a shoulder harness in my piet. The crossmember behind the pilot is low and I've heard that there are fears of spinal compression injuries in case of impact... which kind of makes sense. I'm thinking of reinforcing the turtle deck former behind the pilot and running the harness out of the very top of that and then running a cable back in the fuselage to some solid cluster or even to the tailskid/keel area. Passenger harness can obviously go to the cabanes so that's easy. What have you guys done or seen that works. My problem also is that I purchased a project and the fuselage is already covered but the guy made no provisions for seat belts of any kind so I've got to go in and retrofit something. thoughts?? Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net I've come to the conclusion that a cable to the tailwheel bolt is the best way to go. Drill a hole back by the tailwheel out of the bottom and stick a long rod all of the way thru the fuselage and pull it thru with the cable taped to one end. An aluminum formed head rest type of thing screwed to the top of the turtle deck looks cool and would be a place to support the shoulder belts at the right height for your shoulders. Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- --0-1271371753-1065580409=:87529


Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"


I want to put a shoulder harness in my piet. The crossmember behind the
pilot is low and I've heard that there are fears of spinal compression
injuries in case of impact... which kind of makes sense. I'm thinking
of reinforcing the turtle deck former behind the pilot and running the
harness out of the very top of that and then running a cable back in the
fuselage to some solid cluster or even to the tailskid/keel area.
Passenger harness can obviously go to the cabanes so that's easy. What
have you guys done or seen that works. My problem also is that I
purchased a project and the fuselage is already covered but the guy made
no provisions for seat belts of any kind so I've got to go in and
retrofit something.

thoughts??

Douwe Blumberg
douweblumberg@earthlink.net

I've come to the conclusion that a cable to the tailwheel bolt is the best way to go. Drill a hole back by the tailwheel out of the bottom and stick a long rod all of the way thru the fuselage and pull it thru with the cable taped to one end. An aluminum formed head rest type of thing screwed to the top of the turtle deck looks cool and would be a place to support the shoulder belts at the right height for your shoulders.


Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"


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