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1. 05:53 AM - Keystone Instruments (Sayre, William G)
2. 08:23 AM - Way, way off the subject of flying (Jim Cooper)
3. 11:26 AM - Recipe mailing list (Isablcorky@aol.com)
4. 01:40 PM - Re: Piet - Weight Loss program (Barry Davis)
5. 02:21 PM - Re: Piet - Weight Loss program (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
6. 02:46 PM - Re: way,way off topic on flying (Carbarvo@aol.com)
7. 03:43 PM - Re: center section fuel tank security (john e fay)
8. 03:44 PM - Re: Corvair Studs (Jim Ash)
9. 03:51 PM - Re: Instrument Repair (Jim Ash)
10. 04:23 PM - Sale deal fell through (Dave and Connie)
11. 05:35 PM - retirement site (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
12. 06:22 PM - cork fuel indicator (Douwe Blumberg)
13. 06:39 PM - Re: retirement site (Jim Markle)
14. 06:40 PM - Re: retirement site (John Ford)
15. 07:43 PM - Re: retirement site (Jim Ash)
16. 08:07 PM - Re: Instrument Repair (Christian Bobka)
17. 08:55 PM - Re: Spar question ()
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Subject: | Keystone Instruments |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
I recently acquired and old nonworking Tycos altimeter. On the face, it says Aviation
Section Signal Corps US Army, Type C No. 9330. Does anyone know who I
can contact to see if it can be restored to working condition? It would look
mighty nice in my Piet
Thanks
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Chris (and all),
Others have mentioned Keystone and I'd just like to add that I've had extremely good dealings with Keystone Instruments in PA (http://www.keystoneinstruments.com/) and highly recommend them.
Bill
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Subject: | Way, way off the subject of flying |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net>
Do not archive.
Thanks, Corky, for the big boost. Nobody can cook better than Isabelle or Edna.
I can't cook Cajun food, but I can sure eat it!
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Subject: | Recipe mailing list |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
Do not archive
As a peanut butter and jelly man I never dreamed anyone would want any
recipes from me.
However, I've had numerous requests for some cajun gumbo and seafood recipes
which I tried to fill. More seem to be coming in so Isabelle, my bride,
suggested we gather a mailing list and shoot several your way each week. I will
try
to keep them simple for a regular kitchen not what you would want to duplicate
at Antoines in nawlins.
Those who might want to be included please advise direct to
Isablcorky@aol.com.
Emerill Corky
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Piet - Weight Loss program |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
What is the part # you decided on from McMaster Carr? Is it the white with a
yellow stripe?
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet - Weight Loss program
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> YeeeHaawww. I logged .5 hrs today in LH seat of a 1937 Taylorcraft BC-65.
> BeeeeeUtifull weather down here in Texas. Flew formation with the
mosquitos
> just before sundown. Not a cloud in the sky...barely a puff of wind in
the cool
> evening. What a way to enjoy all of God's creation. Not the same as a
> Piet....but helps me keep the enthusiasm up.
>
> This past weekend, I set out on a mission to lighten up the Piet by
carving
> out some portions of the massive 1 inch plywood firewall installed by the
> original project builder. I think I am going to end up trimming around 4
or 5
> pounds. That is assuming I am able to get all the sawdust out of the
belly. I
> hope to start cutting instrument panel holes this coming week.
>
> Now, I just need to put myself on a weight savings program.
>
> I did make some progress today too....scrounged up all the landing gear
> bolts....finally getting the gear back together after massive re-work. We
now have
> a new spring gear similar to the Hatz design. My partner Lon did the
welding
> and has really mastered the art. We purchased springs from McMaster Carr
> after a lot of enthusiastic guidance on spring selection from several of
you on
> the list. Thanks guys. Lon has also been tinkering with the throttle
> installation and its going to be a modified Hatz design too. One of these
days if we
> keep on tinkering with all of this, we'll get there.
>
> Terry B
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet - Weight Loss program |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Barry,
Lon and I selected the following die spring part number based on some eyeball engineering.
The max compression travel for our gear (per Hatz CB-1 plans) is
approx. 2.5 inches. So we thought the spring rate 392 lb/in should be about right.
It seems very stiff, but the proof will be in the completed pudding. It
was bare steel, not painted.
p/n 9624K61
Spring-Tempered Steel Oval Wire Die Spring 2"
Hole, 1" Rod, 6" Length, 7/16" X 7/32" Wire
Load@
Fits Fits 15% Rate, Price
Hole Rod O'all Wire Defl., lbs./ Each
Size Size Lg. Size lbs. inch p/n 1-9 10-up
2" 1" 6" 7/16" x 7/32" 352.8 392 9624K61 27.30 22.19
Regards,
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: way,way off topic on flying |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Hi Walt Evans....Your talking about gumbo got this ol' cajun's mouth
watering. My advice is: make it simple..at least at first. Experiment with Zataran's
Gumbo Base, frozen okra, fresh shrimp..Serve over rice..It's not 100%
authentic, but it goes together in a hurry and beats hell out of nothing...Not
a
purist..Carl Vought..Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: center section fuel tank security |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay <jefay@juno.com>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> I had the same concerns and devised a strap system to support the
> tank and
> keep the weight off the plywood. My tank holds 15 gallons, which is
> 90 lbs.
> at 1 G
Douwe,
I had planned to do the same thing, using the description found in one of
the books by Tony Bingelis.
John Fay in Peoria
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Studs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
I'm with you there, but the last one I did was on my daily driver and I
couldn't wait the time it usually takes me to get a parts turnaround from
Corvair Underground or Clark's, and my local contacts didn't have any.
On the side, the larger the thread contact area, the better the grip. A
hole drilled and tapped for a helicoil has a larger aluminum surface to
grip the helicoil than the original. Personally, it doesn't outweigh the
down sides, but it does help.
Jim Ash
At 10/21/2003 05:44 PM -0700, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
>I just want to make it clear that I'm not saying heli-coils will not
>work.... I was saying that a .003 or .006 oversize stud is MUCH easier in
>most circumstances.
>
>
>DJ Vegh
>N74DV
>Mesa, AZ
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
>-
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Studs
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I've helicoiled studs (and plug sockets) in Corvair motors. They worked
>fine.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Instrument Repair |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
I posted this a couple months ago. I don't know if he'll rebuild one for
you or just sell you a replacement one; call him and see.
Jim Ash
>>>>>>>>>>>>
There's a guy who pulls up his motorhome behind the commercial hangars at
the Sun 'n Fun and sells refurbished instruments every year. I bought a
tach for the Cub from him a number of years back. His name is Wayne Jordan,
out of Johnson City,NY . His phone number, from an old business card I
found, is (607) 797-9184.
I don't know if his stuff is all yellow-tagged or not, but it can't hurt to
give him a call.
Jim Ash
At 10/22/2003 01:12 AM -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
><catdesign@intergate.com>
>
>No, I wont be taking it apart, but it's killing me not to know why it isn't
>working. I know it's a somewhat rare object and I can't believe I was
>fortunate enough to end up with it. So I will be shopping around to see how
>much it will cost to repair and go from there. Hopefully I can afford to
>keep
>it.
>
>
>Chris T.
>Sacramento, Ca
>
>Quoting Al Latham <geebeed@grm.net>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Sounds like the beginnings of making a non-working altimeter into a
> > non-working JUNK altimeter.
> > Even though Gene and I have disagreed on some things over the past 20 years
> > I have to side with
> > him on this one. Keystone is probably the only people that will even
> attempt
> > to help you on that one.
> >
> > I'd say screw Gene and send it to me but after a last minute shopping spree
> > last week in the "special
> > drawer" he has at the house I don't need any old instruments now. Just hope
> > I can get them mounted
> > before he takes inventory.
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > Al Latham
> > On the lamb in MO.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
> > <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > >
> > > Gene, It's taking all the self control I have to not start taking out
> some
> > > screws. How about just one pleassseeeeeeesssseee.................
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris T.
> > > Sacramento, Ca
> > > Do not archive
> > >
> > > Quoting Gene Rambo <rambog@erols.com>:
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
> > > >
> > > > NO NO NO NO NO, do not attempt to repair yourself, especially the
> old 4"
> > > > instruments!
> > > >
> > > > Gene
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Sale deal fell through |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
Got a call from the guy that was going to buy my project. His freezer and
dryer died so SWMBO froze the airplane parts assets. It is back on
barnstormers. The wood is now sitting in my hangar so I have the space
back in the garage but Jim and Dondi are going to want more than a couple
of bucks for the Taylorcraft fabric job that I am going to do this winter.
PIETENPOL SPRUCE KIT AND PLANS FOR SALE CHEAP Was sold until the buyer
had some things break at home. Back on the market and cheap to a good home.
Wood kit for Long Fuselage Piet. Purchased in March 1999 from Western
Aircraft Supply. I have built 6 ribs since then. All other wood is still in
the shipping tubes. Includes the already built ribs and jig. Full plans
purchased from the Pietenpol family. Inc 3 piece wing and Corvair sheets.
Reprint of BPA newsletters from July 83 - 2nd Quarter 99. Wood is located
at Perry-Warsaw (01G) in NY. I will not ship it and will not sell the plans
seperately unless the wood is already gone. I will deliver within about 100
miles of Geneseo (US only). If you wish to look into arranging shipping the
wood and packing weigh about 150 pounds. One tube is just over 14' long and
the other about 8'. $1200 for all, $1125 if you don't need the plans and
newsletters. If you think it is too much let me know what you think it is
worth. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65
585-243-0084
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
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Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:34:54 -0400
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Fellow Pieters-
I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just where a
good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to find like-minded
people would be on this list so.........
Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport with
an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice airport that
would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a hangar there and living
nearby?
We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but didn't find
as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we didn't look in
the right places or ask the right people.
Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent climate
is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and no high
elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to tolerate.
Candidates????
Larry
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Subject: | cork fuel indicator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Any thoughts or experiences regarding the best float material for auto gas? If
a cork is used does it have to be sealed with something fuel proof?
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Re: retirement site |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
There are several excellent airport communities (with hangers/homes
available) in the Dallas area.....
Come on out some weekend (we have a spare bedroom) and we can do the
tour.......
Jim in Plano
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: retirement site
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
>
> Fellow Pieters-
>
> I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just
where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to
find like-minded people would be on this list so.........
>
>
> Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport
with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice
airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a
hangar there and living nearby?
>
> We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but
didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we
didn't look in the right places or ask the right people.
>
> Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent
climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and
no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to
tolerate.
>
> Candidates????
>
> Larry
>
>
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Subject: | Re: retirement site |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Other than the weather, I can't imagine a better place to retire with a
Piet than Brodhead. It looked like there were houses going up just
south of the airfield and the people at the airport are just way cooler
than any I've ever met.. There is more interesting hardware in the
hangers than I have seen in one place, and the people all work on their
stuff right there together..
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> lnawms@msn.com Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:34:54 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS"
<lnawms@msn.com>
Fellow Pieters-
I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just
where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to
find like-minded people would be on this list so.........
Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An
airport with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really
nice airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind
having a hangar there and living nearby?
We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but
didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe
we didn't look in the right places or ask the right people.
Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A
decent climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too
near, and no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find
hard to tolerate.
Candidates????
Larry
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Subject: | Re: retirement site |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
I've got friends that either live in or own property at several around
central Florida. I lived and flew there for 12 years before moving out a
year and a half ago.
This somewhat becomes a discussion of cultures. You need to connect to the
local aviation crowd and not to the real estate sales people.
I've got friends that live in Leeward Air Ranch in Ocala. They tried to get
me to buy up there, but it was a bit too far to work in the metro Orlando
area for me or I'd have thought seriously about it. Leeward has been
established for a long while and has been built up on the west side. I've
heard they've got more building lots approved on the east side, but I don't
know if it's true and what that's doing to the culture of the place, if
anything. They've got 6000 feet of grass and an aerobatic box. I've met
several of the neighbors and people seem friendly. I fly in sometimes for a
visit and most everybody you taxi past waves.
I'd also considered Love's Landing. I don't know if Sam has any lots left
but I know of some privately-owned lots that could be had there for the
right price. I don't know about the neighbors or the culture, but last I
saw a couple years ago there were plenty enough homes built to look like a
community. He's got two intersecting grass runways. They've got a unique
arrangement because they bought an airspace easement for the approaches
from the neighbors back when it was all orange groves. Rumor has it this
easement has been legally tested and survived, which is nice to know as the
local oranges freeze out and quickly turn into homes. The standard story of
an airport closing because of complaints from the neighbors with their new
5000sq-ft homes right under the approach probably won't happen here.
Cannon Creek is a bit further north and has been around for a good long
time. I've met one guy from there who was a nice fellow, but I can't speak
for the community and I've never flow in.
Spruce Creek is the 'name brand' airpark the general populace knows about.
It's a gated community with asphalt runways. If you land for a visit, your
first host is airport security asking you to state your business.
Personally, it's a see-and-avoid place for me. Draw your own conclusions.
Two things you should consider. The first is to subscribe to a little
publication called 'Living with Your Airplane', by Dave Sclair. He's got a
directory of statistics on all kinds of airport communities and can provide
you a wealth of information to aid in your search. I believe he's also got
a web presence.
The second thing is to contact each of those you're considering and ask for
a copy of the CC&R's (Conditions, Covenants and Restrictions). The is
standard stuff for any homeowner's association, but has some special twists
for airparks. They will all give them to you, but you probably have to
ask.They have varying levels of 'control' over what you build and how you
build it, if you're planning on building instead of buying existing. Some
of the culture is mandated by the size and type of home you build.You might
be able to read between the lines and draw some conclusions from it. Also
see if you can find out what percentage of residents in a given community
do and do not fly. Oddly enough, there are those who choose to live in an
airpark for the prestige of it, then complain about the noise.
I've attended a couple sessions at Sun 'n Fun on airport communities and I
suggest you do the same. I found it informative.
On the side of not living at the airport, there are places (Eustis comes to
mind) where you could keep your plane and bicycle to it from your nearby home.
Jim Ash
At 10/22/2003 08:34 PM -0400, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
>
>Fellow Pieters-
>
>I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just
>where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to
>find like-minded people would be on this list so.........
>
>
>Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport
>with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice
>airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a
>hangar there and living nearby?
>
>We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but
>didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we
>didn't look in the right places or ask the right people.
>
>Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent
>climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and
>no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to tolerate.
>
>Candidates????
>
>Larry
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Instrument Repair |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
The guy from Johnson City rebuilds the old altimeter like CT's, I beleive.
He does a lot for the guys in the Waco Club.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
> I posted this a couple months ago. I don't know if he'll rebuild one for
> you or just sell you a replacement one; call him and see.
>
> Jim Ash
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> There's a guy who pulls up his motorhome behind the commercial hangars at
> the Sun 'n Fun and sells refurbished instruments every year. I bought a
> tach for the Cub from him a number of years back. His name is Wayne
Jordan,
> out of Johnson City,NY . His phone number, from an old business card I
> found, is (607) 797-9184.
>
> I don't know if his stuff is all yellow-tagged or not, but it can't hurt
to
> give him a call.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> At 10/22/2003 01:12 AM -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
> ><catdesign@intergate.com>
> >
> >No, I wont be taking it apart, but it's killing me not to know why it
isn't
> >working. I know it's a somewhat rare object and I can't believe I was
> >fortunate enough to end up with it. So I will be shopping around to see
how
> >much it will cost to repair and go from there. Hopefully I can afford to
> >keep
> >it.
> >
> >
> >Chris T.
> >Sacramento, Ca
> >
> >Quoting Al Latham <geebeed@grm.net>:
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > Sounds like the beginnings of making a non-working altimeter into a
> > > non-working JUNK altimeter.
> > > Even though Gene and I have disagreed on some things over the past 20
years
> > > I have to side with
> > > him on this one. Keystone is probably the only people that will even
> > attempt
> > > to help you on that one.
> > >
> > > I'd say screw Gene and send it to me but after a last minute shopping
spree
> > > last week in the "special
> > > drawer" he has at the house I don't need any old instruments now. Just
hope
> > > I can get them mounted
> > > before he takes inventory.
> > >
> > > Do not archive.
> > >
> > > Al Latham
> > > On the lamb in MO.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
> > > <catdesign@intergate.com>
> > > >
> > > > Gene, It's taking all the self control I have to not start taking
out
> > some
> > > > screws. How about just one pleassseeeeeeesssseee.................
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris T.
> > > > Sacramento, Ca
> > > > Do not archive
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Gene Rambo <rambog@erols.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo"
<rambog@erols.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > NO NO NO NO NO, do not attempt to repair yourself, especially the
> > old 4"
> > > > > instruments!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gene
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
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Subject: | Re: Spar question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Jack,
I would recommend the solid 3/4 inch spar.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar question
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
<jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>
> Slowly but surely getting started. I'm contemplating two spar designs.
> I've read the books, articles and archives, but would appreciate any group
> comments. Which design would be stronger? 1st - solid spruce, or, 2nd -
> built up I beam, utilizing spruce edged with 1 x spruce strips, both
> sides, top and bottom, glued and not nailed.
> Thanks!
> Jack Textor
> DSM
>
>
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