---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/22/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Keystone Instruments (Sayre, William G) 2. 08:23 AM - Way, way off the subject of flying (Jim Cooper) 3. 11:26 AM - Recipe mailing list (Isablcorky@aol.com) 4. 01:40 PM - Re: Piet - Weight Loss program (Barry Davis) 5. 02:21 PM - Re: Piet - Weight Loss program (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 6. 02:46 PM - Re: way,way off topic on flying (Carbarvo@aol.com) 7. 03:43 PM - Re: center section fuel tank security (john e fay) 8. 03:44 PM - Re: Corvair Studs (Jim Ash) 9. 03:51 PM - Re: Instrument Repair (Jim Ash) 10. 04:23 PM - Sale deal fell through (Dave and Connie) 11. 05:35 PM - retirement site (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS) 12. 06:22 PM - cork fuel indicator (Douwe Blumberg) 13. 06:39 PM - Re: retirement site (Jim Markle) 14. 06:40 PM - Re: retirement site (John Ford) 15. 07:43 PM - Re: retirement site (Jim Ash) 16. 08:07 PM - Re: Instrument Repair (Christian Bobka) 17. 08:55 PM - Re: Spar question () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Keystone Instruments From: "Sayre, William G" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" I recently acquired and old nonworking Tycos altimeter. On the face, it says Aviation Section Signal Corps US Army, Type C No. 9330. Does anyone know who I can contact to see if it can be restored to working condition? It would look mighty nice in my Piet Thanks Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Chris (and all), Others have mentioned Keystone and I'd just like to add that I've had extremely good dealings with Keystone Instruments in PA (http://www.keystoneinstruments.com/) and highly recommend them. Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:29 AM PST US From: "Jim Cooper" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Way, way off the subject of flying --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" Do not archive. Thanks, Corky, for the big boost. Nobody can cook better than Isabelle or Edna. I can't cook Cajun food, but I can sure eat it! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:05 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Recipe mailing list --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, Do not archive As a peanut butter and jelly man I never dreamed anyone would want any recipes from me. However, I've had numerous requests for some cajun gumbo and seafood recipes which I tried to fill. More seem to be coming in so Isabelle, my bride, suggested we gather a mailing list and shoot several your way each week. I will try to keep them simple for a regular kitchen not what you would want to duplicate at Antoines in nawlins. Those who might want to be included please advise direct to Isablcorky@aol.com. Emerill Corky Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:55 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet - Weight Loss program --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" What is the part # you decided on from McMaster Carr? Is it the white with a yellow stripe? Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet - Weight Loss program > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com > > YeeeHaawww. I logged .5 hrs today in LH seat of a 1937 Taylorcraft BC-65. > BeeeeeUtifull weather down here in Texas. Flew formation with the mosquitos > just before sundown. Not a cloud in the sky...barely a puff of wind in the cool > evening. What a way to enjoy all of God's creation. Not the same as a > Piet....but helps me keep the enthusiasm up. > > This past weekend, I set out on a mission to lighten up the Piet by carving > out some portions of the massive 1 inch plywood firewall installed by the > original project builder. I think I am going to end up trimming around 4 or 5 > pounds. That is assuming I am able to get all the sawdust out of the belly. I > hope to start cutting instrument panel holes this coming week. > > Now, I just need to put myself on a weight savings program. > > I did make some progress today too....scrounged up all the landing gear > bolts....finally getting the gear back together after massive re-work. We now have > a new spring gear similar to the Hatz design. My partner Lon did the welding > and has really mastered the art. We purchased springs from McMaster Carr > after a lot of enthusiastic guidance on spring selection from several of you on > the list. Thanks guys. Lon has also been tinkering with the throttle > installation and its going to be a modified Hatz design too. One of these days if we > keep on tinkering with all of this, we'll get there. > > Terry B > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:56 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet - Weight Loss program --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Barry, Lon and I selected the following die spring part number based on some eyeball engineering. The max compression travel for our gear (per Hatz CB-1 plans) is approx. 2.5 inches. So we thought the spring rate 392 lb/in should be about right. It seems very stiff, but the proof will be in the completed pudding. It was bare steel, not painted. p/n 9624K61 Spring-Tempered Steel Oval Wire Die Spring 2" Hole, 1" Rod, 6" Length, 7/16" X 7/32" Wire Load@ Fits Fits 15% Rate, Price Hole Rod O'all Wire Defl., lbs./ Each Size Size Lg. Size lbs. inch p/n 1-9 10-up 2" 1" 6" 7/16" x 7/32" 352.8 392 9624K61 27.30 22.19 Regards, Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:59 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: way,way off topic on flying --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Hi Walt Evans....Your talking about gumbo got this ol' cajun's mouth watering. My advice is: make it simple..at least at first. Experiment with Zataran's Gumbo Base, frozen okra, fresh shrimp..Serve over rice..It's not 100% authentic, but it goes together in a hurry and beats hell out of nothing...Not a purist..Carl Vought..Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center section fuel tank security From: john e fay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > I had the same concerns and devised a strap system to support the > tank and > keep the weight off the plywood. My tank holds 15 gallons, which is > 90 lbs. > at 1 G Douwe, I had planned to do the same thing, using the description found in one of the books by Tony Bingelis. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:36 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Studs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I'm with you there, but the last one I did was on my daily driver and I couldn't wait the time it usually takes me to get a parts turnaround from Corvair Underground or Clark's, and my local contacts didn't have any. On the side, the larger the thread contact area, the better the grip. A hole drilled and tapped for a helicoil has a larger aluminum surface to grip the helicoil than the original. Personally, it doesn't outweigh the down sides, but it does help. Jim Ash At 10/21/2003 05:44 PM -0700, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > >I just want to make it clear that I'm not saying heli-coils will not >work.... I was saying that a .003 or .006 oversize stud is MUCH easier in >most circumstances. > > >DJ Vegh >N74DV >Mesa, AZ >www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > >- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Ash" >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Studs > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > > > I've helicoiled studs (and plug sockets) in Corvair motors. They worked >fine. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:58 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I posted this a couple months ago. I don't know if he'll rebuild one for you or just sell you a replacement one; call him and see. Jim Ash >>>>>>>>>>>> There's a guy who pulls up his motorhome behind the commercial hangars at the Sun 'n Fun and sells refurbished instruments every year. I bought a tach for the Cub from him a number of years back. His name is Wayne Jordan, out of Johnson City,NY . His phone number, from an old business card I found, is (607) 797-9184. I don't know if his stuff is all yellow-tagged or not, but it can't hurt to give him a call. Jim Ash At 10/22/2003 01:12 AM -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > >No, I wont be taking it apart, but it's killing me not to know why it isn't >working. I know it's a somewhat rare object and I can't believe I was >fortunate enough to end up with it. So I will be shopping around to see how >much it will cost to repair and go from there. Hopefully I can afford to >keep >it. > > >Chris T. >Sacramento, Ca > >Quoting Al Latham : > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" > > > > Chris, > > > > Sounds like the beginnings of making a non-working altimeter into a > > non-working JUNK altimeter. > > Even though Gene and I have disagreed on some things over the past 20 years > > I have to side with > > him on this one. Keystone is probably the only people that will even > attempt > > to help you on that one. > > > > I'd say screw Gene and send it to me but after a last minute shopping spree > > last week in the "special > > drawer" he has at the house I don't need any old instruments now. Just hope > > I can get them mounted > > before he takes inventory. > > > > Do not archive. > > > > Al Latham > > On the lamb in MO. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > > > > > > > Gene, It's taking all the self control I have to not start taking out > some > > > screws. How about just one pleassseeeeeeesssseee................. > > > > > > > > > Chris T. > > > Sacramento, Ca > > > Do not archive > > > > > > Quoting Gene Rambo : > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > > > > > NO NO NO NO NO, do not attempt to repair yourself, especially the > old 4" > > > > instruments! > > > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:06 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sale deal fell through --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie Got a call from the guy that was going to buy my project. His freezer and dryer died so SWMBO froze the airplane parts assets. It is back on barnstormers. The wood is now sitting in my hangar so I have the space back in the garage but Jim and Dondi are going to want more than a couple of bucks for the Taylorcraft fabric job that I am going to do this winter. PIETENPOL SPRUCE KIT AND PLANS FOR SALE CHEAP Was sold until the buyer had some things break at home. Back on the market and cheap to a good home. Wood kit for Long Fuselage Piet. Purchased in March 1999 from Western Aircraft Supply. I have built 6 ribs since then. All other wood is still in the shipping tubes. Includes the already built ribs and jig. Full plans purchased from the Pietenpol family. Inc 3 piece wing and Corvair sheets. Reprint of BPA newsletters from July 83 - 2nd Quarter 99. Wood is located at Perry-Warsaw (01G) in NY. I will not ship it and will not sell the plans seperately unless the wood is already gone. I will deliver within about 100 miles of Geneseo (US only). If you wish to look into arranging shipping the wood and packing weigh about 150 pounds. One tube is just over 14' long and the other about 8'. $1200 for all, $1125 if you don't need the plans and newsletters. If you think it is too much let me know what you think it is worth. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 585-243-0084 Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:14 PM PST US From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: retirement site Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:34:54 -0400 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Fellow Pieters- I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to find like-minded people would be on this list so......... Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a hangar there and living nearby? We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we didn't look in the right places or ask the right people. Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to tolerate. Candidates???? Larry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:46 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cork fuel indicator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" Any thoughts or experiences regarding the best float material for auto gas? If a cork is used does it have to be sealed with something fuel proof? Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:42 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: retirement site --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" There are several excellent airport communities (with hangers/homes available) in the Dallas area..... Come on out some weekend (we have a spare bedroom) and we can do the tour....... Jim in Plano ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: retirement site > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" > > Fellow Pieters- > > I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to find like-minded people would be on this list so......... > > > Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a hangar there and living nearby? > > We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we didn't look in the right places or ask the right people. > > Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to tolerate. > > Candidates???? > > Larry > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: retirement site --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Other than the weather, I can't imagine a better place to retire with a Piet than Brodhead. It looked like there were houses going up just south of the airfield and the people at the airport are just way cooler than any I've ever met.. There is more interesting hardware in the hangers than I have seen in one place, and the people all work on their stuff right there together.. John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> lnawms@msn.com Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:34:54 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Fellow Pieters- I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to find like-minded people would be on this list so......... Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a hangar there and living nearby? We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we didn't look in the right places or ask the right people. Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to tolerate. Candidates???? Larry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:51 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: retirement site --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I've got friends that either live in or own property at several around central Florida. I lived and flew there for 12 years before moving out a year and a half ago. This somewhat becomes a discussion of cultures. You need to connect to the local aviation crowd and not to the real estate sales people. I've got friends that live in Leeward Air Ranch in Ocala. They tried to get me to buy up there, but it was a bit too far to work in the metro Orlando area for me or I'd have thought seriously about it. Leeward has been established for a long while and has been built up on the west side. I've heard they've got more building lots approved on the east side, but I don't know if it's true and what that's doing to the culture of the place, if anything. They've got 6000 feet of grass and an aerobatic box. I've met several of the neighbors and people seem friendly. I fly in sometimes for a visit and most everybody you taxi past waves. I'd also considered Love's Landing. I don't know if Sam has any lots left but I know of some privately-owned lots that could be had there for the right price. I don't know about the neighbors or the culture, but last I saw a couple years ago there were plenty enough homes built to look like a community. He's got two intersecting grass runways. They've got a unique arrangement because they bought an airspace easement for the approaches from the neighbors back when it was all orange groves. Rumor has it this easement has been legally tested and survived, which is nice to know as the local oranges freeze out and quickly turn into homes. The standard story of an airport closing because of complaints from the neighbors with their new 5000sq-ft homes right under the approach probably won't happen here. Cannon Creek is a bit further north and has been around for a good long time. I've met one guy from there who was a nice fellow, but I can't speak for the community and I've never flow in. Spruce Creek is the 'name brand' airpark the general populace knows about. It's a gated community with asphalt runways. If you land for a visit, your first host is airport security asking you to state your business. Personally, it's a see-and-avoid place for me. Draw your own conclusions. Two things you should consider. The first is to subscribe to a little publication called 'Living with Your Airplane', by Dave Sclair. He's got a directory of statistics on all kinds of airport communities and can provide you a wealth of information to aid in your search. I believe he's also got a web presence. The second thing is to contact each of those you're considering and ask for a copy of the CC&R's (Conditions, Covenants and Restrictions). The is standard stuff for any homeowner's association, but has some special twists for airparks. They will all give them to you, but you probably have to ask.They have varying levels of 'control' over what you build and how you build it, if you're planning on building instead of buying existing. Some of the culture is mandated by the size and type of home you build.You might be able to read between the lines and draw some conclusions from it. Also see if you can find out what percentage of residents in a given community do and do not fly. Oddly enough, there are those who choose to live in an airpark for the prestige of it, then complain about the noise. I've attended a couple sessions at Sun 'n Fun on airport communities and I suggest you do the same. I found it informative. On the side of not living at the airport, there are places (Eustis comes to mind) where you could keep your plane and bicycle to it from your nearby home. Jim Ash At 10/22/2003 08:34 PM -0400, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" > >Fellow Pieters- > >I've got to retire in three years and am in the throes of deciding just >where a good place to live might be. It occurred to me that the place to >find like-minded people would be on this list so......... > > >Does anybody know of an airport community with lots available? An airport >with an existing house/hangar available? How about just a really nice >airport that would be enough of a magnet that I wouldn't mind having a >hangar there and living nearby? > >We spent several days in the central and northern portions of FL but >didn't find as much to get excited about as we thought we would. Maybe we >didn't look in the right places or ask the right people. > >Of course grass is preferable and a lot of grass is even better. A decent >climate is a big plus (more flying days) near a city but not too near, and >no high elevations that my poor old asthmatic Piet would find hard to tolerate. > >Candidates???? > >Larry > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:28 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" The guy from Johnson City rebuilds the old altimeter like CT's, I beleive. He does a lot for the guys in the Waco Club. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > I posted this a couple months ago. I don't know if he'll rebuild one for > you or just sell you a replacement one; call him and see. > > Jim Ash > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > There's a guy who pulls up his motorhome behind the commercial hangars at > the Sun 'n Fun and sells refurbished instruments every year. I bought a > tach for the Cub from him a number of years back. His name is Wayne Jordan, > out of Johnson City,NY . His phone number, from an old business card I > found, is (607) 797-9184. > > I don't know if his stuff is all yellow-tagged or not, but it can't hurt to > give him a call. > > Jim Ash > > > At 10/22/2003 01:12 AM -0500, you wrote: > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > > > > >No, I wont be taking it apart, but it's killing me not to know why it isn't > >working. I know it's a somewhat rare object and I can't believe I was > >fortunate enough to end up with it. So I will be shopping around to see how > >much it will cost to repair and go from there. Hopefully I can afford to > >keep > >it. > > > > > >Chris T. > >Sacramento, Ca > > > >Quoting Al Latham : > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > Sounds like the beginnings of making a non-working altimeter into a > > > non-working JUNK altimeter. > > > Even though Gene and I have disagreed on some things over the past 20 years > > > I have to side with > > > him on this one. Keystone is probably the only people that will even > > attempt > > > to help you on that one. > > > > > > I'd say screw Gene and send it to me but after a last minute shopping spree > > > last week in the "special > > > drawer" he has at the house I don't need any old instruments now. Just hope > > > I can get them mounted > > > before he takes inventory. > > > > > > Do not archive. > > > > > > Al Latham > > > On the lamb in MO. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Repair > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > > > > > > > > > > Gene, It's taking all the self control I have to not start taking out > > some > > > > screws. How about just one pleassseeeeeeesssseee................. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris T. > > > > Sacramento, Ca > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > Quoting Gene Rambo : > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > > > > > > > NO NO NO NO NO, do not attempt to repair yourself, especially the > > old 4" > > > > > instruments! > > > > > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:38 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jack, I would recommend the solid 3/4 inch spar. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Textor" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" > > Slowly but surely getting started. I'm contemplating two spar designs. > I've read the books, articles and archives, but would appreciate any group > comments. Which design would be stronger? 1st - solid spruce, or, 2nd - > built up I beam, utilizing spruce edged with 1 x spruce strips, both > sides, top and bottom, glued and not nailed. > Thanks! > Jack Textor > DSM > >