---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/26/03: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:01 AM - Re: First Flight w/pax (Doyle K. Combs) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Pal Nuts (Gene Rambo) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: First Flight w/pax (Rcaprd@aol.com) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Pal Nuts (Rcaprd@aol.com) 5. 08:00 AM - Noreasterners - don't read this... (Rcaprd@aol.com) 6. 08:27 AM - Re: First Flight w/pax (Cy Galley) 7. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Pal Nuts (Bert Conoly) 8. 03:14 PM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Jim Ash) 9. 03:17 PM - Re: First Flight w/pax (Jim Ash) 10. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Pal Nuts (Cy Galley) 11. 06:03 PM - Re: PAL nuts (Craig Lawler) 12. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: Pal Nuts (Gene Rambo) 13. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Pal Nuts (Bert Conoly) 14. 06:14 PM - Re: First Flight w/pax (Gene Rambo) 15. 06:31 PM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (The Hallsten's) 16. 10:42 PM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:44 AM PST US From: "Doyle K. Combs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" Pardon the ignorance, but what is T.P.? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > It's official: NX770CG has lofted 'er first passenger into the sky !! > Wednesday evening came with near perfect flying conditions. An old buddy of > mine and his wife were on vacation to Branson Mi, and planned on visiting with > me and my plane. He managed to climb in and out a couple of times without > much problem, and we went over the harness, emergency procedures, and exactly > what the flight will entail. When he asked "Is it safe?" I said "It's > completely safe...as long as we don't crash !!" > A thorough pre-flight showed no reason to cancel the flight, and after he > strapped in, I propped the ol' Continental and lit 'er up with the first > blade. Back taxi 34, run up, taxi into position. Right now, my intercom is an > elevated voice level. I hollered "ARE YOU READY ?" He said "LETS GO !!", and > gave me thumbs up. Check clear runway, hold the brakes, full power, oil pres > / temp check, let 'er go. Forward stick got the tail up in short order, but > the extra weight (highest gross weight ever), and kinda rough grass field made > the take off roll reminiscent of flying behind the ol' Model A engine. The > rumble of the earth went away, and we were airborne, keep 'er in ground effect > for a short while to build some speed, and we climbed out at a shallow 48 to > 50 mph indicated, maybe 200 fpm, albeit a positive rate of climb. We did four > fly-bys with his wife taking pictures, and 'YEEE HAAAAWWWSSS" from us !! We > then departed the pattern to the South, for a scheduled two T.P. drop at > another friends house. Although we missed the target, it's a lot more fun when I > have a bombadeer on board !! Returned to the field, and did a greaser landing > !! What a blast !! Everyone had a great time, even his wife !! They took me > out for a big Italian dinner, at Savoots 'Stick & Rudder' club for the post > flight brief. Full belly after a great flight...it just doesn't get any better > than this !! > I took my second passenger up on Thursday evening, when flying conditions > were even better than Wednesday - 80, calm winds, and about a million miles > visibility. Judging by all his hootin' and hollerin', I think he also had a > great time. We flew over his house, and his kids were running around waving > their arms, and this T.P. drop missed the target by just 100 feet, or so, into > the neighbors yard !! His wife made one of the kids go pick up the T.P. !! > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > into a whole new realm of Pietenpol fun !! > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:33 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" I think lock washers would screw up your torque values. Pal nuts go on after the nut is torqued to prevent it backing off. What is the problem with using pal nuts? They are cheap and easy. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > Can anybody think of a reason why lock washers and nuts wont be as good as > PAL Nuts and nuts? > > The case-to-case bolts on my A-65 are supposed to be locked with PAL nuts. > Looks like lock washers would work to me. Or hi temp lock tite?? > > Thanks, > Bert (who has a brand new top end, inspected bottom end :>o, and hopes to > crank her up next weekend) > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:50 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/26/03 9:02:20 AM Central Standard Time, dcombs@ltex.net writes: << Pardon the ignorance, but what is T.P.? >> Toilet Paper !! :) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:31 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/25/03 9:12:30 PM Central Standard Time, bconoly@earthlink.net writes: << Can anybody think of a reason why lock washers and nuts wont be as good as PAL Nuts and nuts? The case-to-case bolts on my A-65 are supposed to be locked with PAL nuts. Looks like lock washers would work to me. Or hi temp lock tite?? Thanks, Bert (who has a brand new top end, inspected bottom end :>o, and hopes to crank her up next weekend) >> Bert, Lock washers will alter the torque values, as well as gouge the case. If you use loc-tite, when it comes time for the next disassembly, it is quite possible they will remove the studs from the case, possibly damaging the threads in the case. The engine was designed using pal nuts, and that's the way I went. However, I have seen a Millennium engine on a J3 Cub, with locking nuts - the type that has a little recessed dimple in the side - Certainly Not the type with nyloc. The locking nuts will certainly alter the torque values also, and I don't know how they compensated for that, other than reading the torque wrench while turning the nut up on the threads, and adding that value to the torque value. Call me old fasioned, but I still vote for pal nuts. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:57 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Noreasterners - don't read this... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com It's about 10 in the morn on the Kansas corn, with the skies so blue and the frost now dew, colorful leaves laying limp on the trees, It's time to kick the tires, twang the wires, and light the fire !!! CONTACT !! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:07 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Toilet Paper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doyle K. Combs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" > > Pardon the ignorance, but what is T.P.? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > > > It's official: NX770CG has lofted 'er first passenger into the sky !! > > Wednesday evening came with near perfect flying conditions. An old buddy > of > > mine and his wife were on vacation to Branson Mi, and planned on visiting > with > > me and my plane. He managed to climb in and out a couple of times without > > much problem, and we went over the harness, emergency procedures, and > exactly > > what the flight will entail. When he asked "Is it safe?" I said "It's > > completely safe...as long as we don't crash !!" > > A thorough pre-flight showed no reason to cancel the flight, and after > he > > strapped in, I propped the ol' Continental and lit 'er up with the first > > blade. Back taxi 34, run up, taxi into position. Right now, my intercom > is an > > elevated voice level. I hollered "ARE YOU READY ?" He said "LETS GO > !!", and > > gave me thumbs up. Check clear runway, hold the brakes, full power, oil > pres > > / temp check, let 'er go. Forward stick got the tail up in short order, > but > > the extra weight (highest gross weight ever), and kinda rough grass field > made > > the take off roll reminiscent of flying behind the ol' Model A engine. > The > > rumble of the earth went away, and we were airborne, keep 'er in ground > effect > > for a short while to build some speed, and we climbed out at a shallow 48 > to > > 50 mph indicated, maybe 200 fpm, albeit a positive rate of climb. We did > four > > fly-bys with his wife taking pictures, and 'YEEE HAAAAWWWSSS" from us !! > We > > then departed the pattern to the South, for a scheduled two T.P. drop at > > another friends house. Although we missed the target, it's a lot more fun > when I > > have a bombadeer on board !! Returned to the field, and did a greaser > landing > > !! What a blast !! Everyone had a great time, even his wife !! They > took me > > out for a big Italian dinner, at Savoots 'Stick & Rudder' club for the > post > > flight brief. Full belly after a great flight...it just doesn't get any > better > > than this !! > > I took my second passenger up on Thursday evening, when flying > conditions > > were even better than Wednesday - 80, calm winds, and about a million > miles > > visibility. Judging by all his hootin' and hollerin', I think he also had > a > > great time. We flew over his house, and his kids were running around > waving > > their arms, and this T.P. drop missed the target by just 100 feet, or so, > into > > the neighbors yard !! His wife made one of the kids go pick up the T.P. > !! > > > > Chuck Gantzer > > NX770CG > > into a whole new realm of Pietenpol fun !! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:21 PM PST US From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" I've already torqued the nuts. Do I have to torque the pal nuts, too - or just snug them up to the nut? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > I think lock washers would screw up your torque values. Pal nuts go on > after the nut is torqued to prevent it backing off. What is the problem > with using pal nuts? They are cheap and easy. > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bert Conoly" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > > > > Can anybody think of a reason why lock washers and nuts wont be as good as > > PAL Nuts and nuts? > > > > The case-to-case bolts on my A-65 are supposed to be locked with PAL nuts. > > Looks like lock washers would work to me. Or hi temp lock tite?? > > > > Thanks, > > Bert (who has a brand new top end, inspected bottom end :>o, and hopes > to > > crank her up next weekend) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:40 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:32:05 -0400 >To: "Jack Textor" >From: Jim Ash >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > >I'll bite. What specifically do you mean by lofting? > >Jim Ash > >At 10/25/2003 03:27 PM -0500, you wrote: >>While making my rib jig, I compaired the full size patteren with the >>dimentions given in the plan. I lofted the measurements to the pattern. >>They are off by 3/16th of an inch in places. It also seem like I have >>too much room above the front spar and top capstrip. Which should I >>beleive? When tanfering the dimentions to the jig, I have made sure the >>spars are 27 3/4" apart and parallel. >>Help! and Thanks! >>Jack Textor >>Des Moines >>Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>Precedence: bulk >>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:41 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Toilet paper. Old-timers used to throw a roll out of a plane, then circle the streamer for practice as it descends. I've never done it myself, but always wanted to try it. Jim Ash At 10/26/2003 09:00 AM -0800, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" > >Pardon the ignorance, but what is T.P.? >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > > > It's official: NX770CG has lofted 'er first passenger into the sky !! > > Wednesday evening came with near perfect flying conditions. An old buddy >of > > mine and his wife were on vacation to Branson Mi, and planned on visiting >with > > me and my plane. He managed to climb in and out a couple of times without > > much problem, and we went over the harness, emergency procedures, and >exactly > > what the flight will entail. When he asked "Is it safe?" I said "It's > > completely safe...as long as we don't crash !!" > > A thorough pre-flight showed no reason to cancel the flight, and after >he > > strapped in, I propped the ol' Continental and lit 'er up with the first > > blade. Back taxi 34, run up, taxi into position. Right now, my intercom >is an > > elevated voice level. I hollered "ARE YOU READY ?" He said "LETS GO >!!", and > > gave me thumbs up. Check clear runway, hold the brakes, full power, oil >pres > > / temp check, let 'er go. Forward stick got the tail up in short order, >but > > the extra weight (highest gross weight ever), and kinda rough grass field >made > > the take off roll reminiscent of flying behind the ol' Model A engine. >The > > rumble of the earth went away, and we were airborne, keep 'er in ground >effect > > for a short while to build some speed, and we climbed out at a shallow 48 >to > > 50 mph indicated, maybe 200 fpm, albeit a positive rate of climb. We did >four > > fly-bys with his wife taking pictures, and 'YEEE HAAAAWWWSSS" from us !! >We > > then departed the pattern to the South, for a scheduled two T.P. drop at > > another friends house. Although we missed the target, it's a lot more fun >when I > > have a bombadeer on board !! Returned to the field, and did a greaser >landing > > !! What a blast !! Everyone had a great time, even his wife !! They >took me > > out for a big Italian dinner, at Savoots 'Stick & Rudder' club for the >post > > flight brief. Full belly after a great flight...it just doesn't get any >better > > than this !! > > I took my second passenger up on Thursday evening, when flying >conditions > > were even better than Wednesday - 80, calm winds, and about a million >miles > > visibility. Judging by all his hootin' and hollerin', I think he also had >a > > great time. We flew over his house, and his kids were running around >waving > > their arms, and this T.P. drop missed the target by just 100 feet, or so, >into > > the neighbors yard !! His wife made one of the kids go pick up the T.P. >!! > > > > Chuck Gantzer > > NX770CG > > into a whole new realm of Pietenpol fun !! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:06 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Pal Nuts will not take much torque. Just snug them up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > I've already torqued the nuts. Do I have to torque the pal nuts, too - or > just snug them up to the nut? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Rambo" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > I think lock washers would screw up your torque values. Pal nuts go on > > after the nut is torqued to prevent it backing off. What is the problem > > with using pal nuts? They are cheap and easy. > > > > Gene > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bert Conoly" > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > > > > > > > Can anybody think of a reason why lock washers and nuts wont be as good > as > > > PAL Nuts and nuts? > > > > > > The case-to-case bolts on my A-65 are supposed to be locked with PAL > nuts. > > > Looks like lock washers would work to me. Or hi temp lock tite?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bert (who has a brand new top end, inspected bottom end :>o, and hopes > > to > > > crank her up next weekend) > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:33 PM PST US From: Craig Lawler Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PAL nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler Bert, A friend of mine that just finished up his A&P at Penn Tech in Williamsport said the PAL nuts are not required. I have a bunch of them so I put them on. Got a whole coffee can full. If you want some let me know and I'll mail them to you. Craig ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:44 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" Like he said, just snug them up. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > Pal Nuts will not take much torque. Just snug them up. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bert Conoly" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > > > > I've already torqued the nuts. Do I have to torque the pal nuts, too - or > > just snug them up to the nut? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Rambo" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > > > I think lock washers would screw up your torque values. Pal nuts go on > > > after the nut is torqued to prevent it backing off. What is the problem > > > with using pal nuts? They are cheap and easy. > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bert Conoly" > > > To: > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody think of a reason why lock washers and nuts wont be as > good > > as > > > > PAL Nuts and nuts? > > > > > > > > The case-to-case bolts on my A-65 are supposed to be locked with PAL > > nuts. > > > > Looks like lock washers would work to me. Or hi temp lock tite?? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bert (who has a brand new top end, inspected bottom end :>o, and > hopes > > > to > > > > crank her up next weekend) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:31 PM PST US From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" Thanks, Cy and Gene Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > Pal Nuts will not take much torque. Just snug them up. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bert Conoly" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > > > > I've already torqued the nuts. Do I have to torque the pal nuts, too - or > > just snug them up to the nut? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Rambo" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > > > I think lock washers would screw up your torque values. Pal nuts go on > > > after the nut is torqued to prevent it backing off. What is the problem > > > with using pal nuts? They are cheap and easy. > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bert Conoly" > > > To: > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pal Nuts > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody think of a reason why lock washers and nuts wont be as > good > > as > > > > PAL Nuts and nuts? > > > > > > > > The case-to-case bolts on my A-65 are supposed to be locked with PAL > > nuts. > > > > Looks like lock washers would work to me. Or hi temp lock tite?? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bert (who has a brand new top end, inspected bottom end :>o, and > hopes > > > to > > > > crank her up next weekend) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:03 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" You circle it to see how many times you can cut it before it hits the ground (or you do). Cut it with the prop, not the wing. My personal best is five cuts when thrown out at 1500'. The last cut is pretty low, though. For best results, unroll and wad up the first 4-5 feet, which acts like a drag chute to make the remainder unroll and stay in a straight vertical line. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > Toilet paper. > > Old-timers used to throw a roll out of a plane, then circle the streamer > for practice as it descends. I've never done it myself, but always wanted > to try it. > > Jim Ash > > At 10/26/2003 09:00 AM -0800, you wrote: > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" > > > >Pardon the ignorance, but what is T.P.? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > > > > > It's official: NX770CG has lofted 'er first passenger into the sky !! > > > Wednesday evening came with near perfect flying conditions. An old buddy > >of > > > mine and his wife were on vacation to Branson Mi, and planned on visiting > >with > > > me and my plane. He managed to climb in and out a couple of times without > > > much problem, and we went over the harness, emergency procedures, and > >exactly > > > what the flight will entail. When he asked "Is it safe?" I said "It's > > > completely safe...as long as we don't crash !!" > > > A thorough pre-flight showed no reason to cancel the flight, and after > >he > > > strapped in, I propped the ol' Continental and lit 'er up with the first > > > blade. Back taxi 34, run up, taxi into position. Right now, my intercom > >is an > > > elevated voice level. I hollered "ARE YOU READY ?" He said "LETS GO > >!!", and > > > gave me thumbs up. Check clear runway, hold the brakes, full power, oil > >pres > > > / temp check, let 'er go. Forward stick got the tail up in short order, > >but > > > the extra weight (highest gross weight ever), and kinda rough grass field > >made > > > the take off roll reminiscent of flying behind the ol' Model A engine. > >The > > > rumble of the earth went away, and we were airborne, keep 'er in ground > >effect > > > for a short while to build some speed, and we climbed out at a shallow 48 > >to > > > 50 mph indicated, maybe 200 fpm, albeit a positive rate of climb. We did > >four > > > fly-bys with his wife taking pictures, and 'YEEE HAAAAWWWSSS" from us !! > >We > > > then departed the pattern to the South, for a scheduled two T.P. drop at > > > another friends house. Although we missed the target, it's a lot more fun > >when I > > > have a bombadeer on board !! Returned to the field, and did a greaser > >landing > > > !! What a blast !! Everyone had a great time, even his wife !! They > >took me > > > out for a big Italian dinner, at Savoots 'Stick & Rudder' club for the > >post > > > flight brief. Full belly after a great flight...it just doesn't get any > >better > > > than this !! > > > I took my second passenger up on Thursday evening, when flying > >conditions > > > were even better than Wednesday - 80, calm winds, and about a million > >miles > > > visibility. Judging by all his hootin' and hollerin', I think he also had > >a > > > great time. We flew over his house, and his kids were running around > >waving > > > their arms, and this T.P. drop missed the target by just 100 feet, or so, > >into > > > the neighbors yard !! His wife made one of the kids go pick up the T.P. > >!! > > > > > > Chuck Gantzer > > > NX770CG > > > into a whole new realm of Pietenpol fun !! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:07 PM PST US From: "The Hallsten's" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Hallsten's" Lofting is the process where you draw the pattern to full size on the board you will use as the rib jig. Kent > >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:32:05 -0400 > >To: "Jack Textor" > >From: Jim Ash > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > > >I'll bite. What specifically do you mean by lofting? > > > >Jim Ash ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:54 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Marine term. All boats and ships were first drawn out full size on the floor of the attic, or loft, of the building shed. Any discrepancies in the plans would be corrected and the full size parts would then be accurate. Just like when you lay out the full size drawings for fuse. sides, rudder, stab, etc on your building table. Between the devil and the deep blue sea, four sheets to the wind, road, knots, son of a gun, hard up, fly by night, aloof, spic and span, etc., etc. All from sailing and wooden boats. Hundreds more! Clif > >I'll bite. What specifically do you mean by lofting? > > > >Jim Ash > >