---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/28/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:33 AM - Re: toilet paper drop (Clif Dawson) 3. 12:49 AM - Re: toilet paper drop - picture (Clif Dawson) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: Pirates, was Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (John Ford) 5. 07:13 AM - Re: First Flight w/pax (Michael D Cuy) 6. 07:22 AM - toilet paper and crepe paper (Michael D Cuy) 7. 07:56 AM - Re: Altimeter update (Christian Bobka) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: toilet paper drop (Ed Smith) 9. 09:01 AM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Gary Gower) 10. 09:21 AM - Re: toilet paper and crepe paper (Steve Eldredge) 11. 09:50 AM - smoldering over Lake Erie (Michael D Cuy) 12. 11:57 AM - Re: smoldering over Lake Erie (Steve Eldredge) 13. 12:15 PM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (w b evans) 14. 03:01 PM - Re: smoldering over Lake Erie (Gene Rambo) 15. 06:26 PM - Re: Magneto direction (Wizzard187@aol.com) 16. 06:37 PM - Re: toilet paper and crepe paper (Wizzard187@aol.com) 17. 06:56 PM - Re: smoldering over Lake Erie (Jack Phillips) 18. 10:10 PM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Clif Dawson) 19. 10:17 PM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:03 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Sure. Here or privately? Clif do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > Cliff, > Very interesting! Can you explain each? > > walt evans > NX140DL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clif Dawson" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > > > Marine term. All boats and ships were first drawn out full size on the > floor > > of > > the attic, or loft, of the building shed. Any discrepancies in the plans > > would be > > corrected and the full size parts would then be accurate. Just like when > you > > lay > > out the full size drawings for fuse. sides, rudder, stab, etc on your > > building table. > > > > Between the devil and the deep blue sea, four sheets to the wind, road, > > knots, > > son of a gun, hard up, fly by night, aloof, spic and span, etc., etc. All > > from sailing > > and wooden boats. Hundreds more! > > > > Clif > > > > > >I'll bite. What specifically do you mean by lofting? > > > > > > > >Jim Ash > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:41 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Toilet paper is designed to disintegrate immediately on being flushed so it's pretty delicate. Not much chance of it getting caught up somewhere like writing paper would. Some clubs do this as a competition to see how many cuts get done before the plane reaches a predetermined altitude, like a few hundred feet AGL. Whatever the organizers think is safe. Pilot disqualified if he breaks through that "floor". Clif Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Latham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" > > Robert, > > While watching this being done many times I have never seen it cause a > problem. If > memory serves me correctly I do recall one person hitting the roll, but this > certainly is > not the desired result. My biggest concern is someone watching the TP and > not the > GND. > Just remember to use single ply if your worried... > Do not archive > Al Latham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Haines" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > > > > Call me chicken but isn't there a risk of the toilet paper mucking up > > something on the plane when thrown out or when flown through? (Not that > I'm > > trying to be a little nag, I've just seen too many old war movies where > the > > parachute gets caught in the tail.) Do you have to throw it clear of the > > tail... or to heck with it 'cause it's to week to hang on if it does get > > caught. Also, when you hit it with a prop, what's the odds of it getting > > into the cowling and causing other problems? (OK, now I am being a nag.) > > > > > > Robert Haines > > Du Quoin, Illinois > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:51 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop - picture --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson And you thought those Canucks were nothing more than a pretty face. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave rowe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop - picture > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > > Very cool. We got into a war with two American ships in the Persian > Gulf in 2000, started with drive-by fruitings via surgical tube > slingshots, and quickly escalated to our helos dropping TP down the > other ships' funnels. Ended when one Seahawk tried a sack of flour, > whent straight down a funnel and exploded. We then chose a much safer > way to have fun, we started hoisting down to unmanned oil rigs and > plastering them with Canadian insignia. Last one I went down to however > wasn't unmanned. Those Iranians have no sense of ha-ha. > > DJ Vegh wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > > I did the TP drop in a 152 last year. A friend and I got bored one morning and thought we'd bring up some stuff to drop..... brought along a few rolls of TP, a gallon jug of water and a few sugar bags. > > > > Climbed up to about 8,000 and dropped the TP roll..... did a steep descending bank and lined up for the kill...... whack! direct hit with the right wing. > > > > here's a pic just seconds before impact > > > > http://imagedv.com/aircamper/tp.drop.jpg > > > > after the TP we dropped the other goods..... the sugar bags exploded on impact in a cloud of sugar. The water jug was a dud... the cap opened on the way down and the water spilled out. > > > > BTW, we out over the open desert when we did this. > > > > DJ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Al Latham > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" > > > > Robert, > > > > While watching this being done many times I have never seen it cause a > > problem. If > > memory serves me correctly I do recall one person hitting the roll, but this > > certainly is > > not the desired result. My biggest concern is someone watching the TP and > > not the > > GND. > > Just remember to use single ply if your worried... > > Do not archive > > Al Latham > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Haines" > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > > > > > > > Call me chicken but isn't there a risk of the toilet paper mucking up > > > something on the plane when thrown out or when flown through? (Not that > > I'm > > > trying to be a little nag, I've just seen too many old war movies where > > the > > > parachute gets caught in the tail.) Do you have to throw it clear of the > > > tail... or to heck with it 'cause it's to week to hang on if it does get > > > caught. Also, when you hit it with a prop, what's the odds of it getting > > > into the cowling and causing other problems? (OK, now I am being a nag.) > > > > > > > > > Robert Haines > > > Du Quoin, Illinois > > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:23 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pirates, was Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Yep, though there was no formal introduction. (Kip, I was the guy with the black baseball cap [and gold earring, aaarrrrrgh!] who rode in the Orange Piet after you and our English friend at Brodhead) I suppose I can, aaarrrrrgh, picture it as well, though he seemed reasonable enough... ;-) John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com Monday, October 27, 2003 7:29:57 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie John, Have you ever met Kip? I could see the gold earring and the eye patch without a problem. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 At 09:02 AM 10/27/2003, John Ford wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > >Would that be a patch-over-one-eye, golden earring wearing *pirate* >ARRRRGH? We are talking more and more about, Arrrrr, ship building, >arrrrr shiver me spars, er, timbers... Wasn't national "Talk Like a >Pirate" day a month or so ago? >John *Arrrrrgh!* Greybeard >do not archive > >John Ford >john@indstate.edu >812-237-8542 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:38 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight w/pax --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Way to go, Chuck ! Sharing the ride is much of the thrill of having one of these !!!!! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:01 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper and crepe paper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy guys-- don't cut the paper with your prop----you could get a chunk under your cooling eyebrows and if caught it will start to smolder. We had it happen on a Champ and it was not pretty. Crepe paper from Wal Mart is a hoot to drop as well. Same procedure-- crumple up the first foot or so of it to act as a drag streamer, get real slow, pivot the rudder out of the way and toss the roll over your shoulder. We try to hit the crepe paper about 1/2 span as it's falling over the wing and then if it doesn't break it will stay ON your wing as a 50 foot long two-tailed streamer. If you are really having a good day you climb back up, toss out a second roll and put that over your other wing and fly round town with two big old streamers hanging off your wings !!! Too much fun. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:02 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Altimeter update --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Chris, Another guy to try for the altimeter overhaul is W. Wayne Jordan Co. 759 Main Street, Johnson City, NY 13790 and phone is 607 797 9184 Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Altimeter update > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > Well thanks to this list I was able to get in contact with Keystone > Instruments (ask for Ken 570 748 7083). They said they could restore my old > altimeter to working condition. I'm still trying to get in touch with some > thers to see what they will charge. I was not aware of all the things > Keystone can do to newer instruments to make them look old. And the prices did > not seem too bad. It was worth talking to them just for the options it opens > up. > > Thanks for all the help > > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:50 AM PST US From: "Ed Smith" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper drop SMTPD_IN_RCVD --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Smith" > Toilet paper is designed to disintegrate immediately > on being flushed so it's pretty delicate. Not much > chance of it getting caught up somewhere like > writing paper would. > Delicate it may be, but if a piece of it gets somewhere near an exhaust pipe, it can make for some interesting aerobatics when you think the plane is on fire and you try to get on the ground ASAP. :-) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:20 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Here will be great... Some of us will improve our knowledge of the english language :-) :-) Dont you think so Javier? :-) Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. --- Clif Dawson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > > Sure. Here or privately? > > Clif > > do not archive. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w b evans" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > > > > Cliff, > > Very interesting! Can you explain each? > > > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clif Dawson" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > > > > > > Marine term. All boats and ships were first drawn out full size > on the > > floor > > > of > > > the attic, or loft, of the building shed. Any discrepancies in > the plans > > > would be > > > corrected and the full size parts would then be accurate. Just > like when > > you > > > lay > > > out the full size drawings for fuse. sides, rudder, stab, etc on > your > > > building table. > > > > > > Between the devil and the deep blue sea, four sheets to the wind, > road, > > > knots, > > > son of a gun, hard up, fly by night, aloof, spic and span, etc., > etc. > All > > > from sailing > > > and wooden boats. Hundreds more! > > > > > > Clif > > > > > > > >I'll bite. What specifically do you mean by lofting? > > > > > > > > > >Jim Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper and crepe paper From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Reminds me of a fun day with TP. I was dropping an cutting with the wings one day. Suddenly the roll of TP was gone. I turned and couldn't find the either section. I knew I had had a direct hit, right in the middle. It was then I saw hundreds of TP squares all over the place. Stretched out for 1/4 mile or so were fluttering squares of TP waifing along in the sunlight. I wish I could repeat that one. I figure the roll didn't break as the wing snagged it, and as it accelerated the trailing edge of the TP had flutter induced failure and each square broke off till it was all gone. So cool... Steve e -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper and crepe paper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy guys-- don't cut the paper with your prop----you could get a chunk under your cooling eyebrows and if caught it will start to smolder. We had it happen on a Champ and it was not pretty. Crepe paper from Wal Mart is a hoot to drop as well. Same procedure-- crumple up the first foot or so of it to act as a drag streamer, get real slow, pivot the rudder out of the way and toss the roll over your shoulder. We try to hit the crepe paper about 1/2 span as it's falling over the wing and then if it doesn't break it will stay ON your wing as a 50 foot long two-tailed streamer. If you are really having a good day you climb back up, toss out a second roll and put that over your other wing and fly round town with two big old streamers hanging off your wings !!! Too much fun. Mike C. == == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:38 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Ole friend from high school Art Ritchie and I (now a United pilot) got a chunk of toilet paper (we hit a bunched-up area) stuck in the Champ cowl over the cylinder fins while doing a drop over the lake and boy was he sorry he did that. Me too as he was giving me the 15 hours of dual I needed on the Champ to get on the insurance since I was a novice taildragger guy at the time. (still am, just older) We both about crapped our pants as we smelled smoke. We pointed that thing towards Norwalk Airport and in about 10 minutes we were on the ground. That plane had toiled paper scraps hanging all over the place. The owner of Norwalk came out to say hi to us and laughed at what he saw. We had been found out. We popped the top cowl half off to remove the partially burned/charred paper from the fins and baffle area. From then on we always diced up the paper with the wings. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" I don't remember where I heard it, but someone related that once they hit it head on and the TP plugged up the carb air intake and severely limited RPM causing another sooner-than-expected trip back to the airport. Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Ole friend from high school Art Ritchie and I (now a United pilot) got a chunk of toilet paper (we hit a bunched-up area) stuck in the Champ cowl over the cylinder fins while doing a drop over the lake and boy was he sorry he did that. Me too as he was giving me the 15 hours of dual I needed on the Champ to get on the insurance since I was a novice taildragger guy at the time. (still am, just older) We both about crapped our pants as we smelled smoke. We pointed that thing towards Norwalk Airport and in about 10 minutes we were on the ground. That plane had toiled paper scraps hanging all over the place. The owner of Norwalk came out to say hi to us and laughed at what he saw. We had been found out. We popped the top cowl half off to remove the partially burned/charred paper from the fins and baffle area. From then on we always diced up the paper with the wings. Mike C. == == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:27 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Cliff, I think everyone would be interested, but don't want to clog the site with off topic stuff. Guess if no one else pops up that they want it,,,just send it to me. Thanks walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > Sure. Here or privately? > > Clif > > do not archive. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w b evans" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > > > Cliff, > > Very interesting! Can you explain each? > > > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clif Dawson" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > > > > > Marine term. All boats and ships were first drawn out full size on the > > floor > > > of > > > the attic, or loft, of the building shed. Any discrepancies in the plans > > > would be > > > corrected and the full size parts would then be accurate. Just like when > > you > > > lay > > > out the full size drawings for fuse. sides, rudder, stab, etc on your > > > building table. > > > > > > Between the devil and the deep blue sea, four sheets to the wind, road, > > > knots, > > > son of a gun, hard up, fly by night, aloof, spic and span, etc., etc. > All > > > from sailing > > > and wooden boats. Hundreds more! > > > > > > Clif > > > > > > > >I'll bite. What specifically do you mean by lofting? > > > > > > > > > >Jim Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:37 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" I guess I can't argue with actual experience, but I have never heard of it happening or had it happen to me, and I've cut a few cases of paper over the years. I'd still say cut it with the prop, because, as others have pointed out, the wing usually does not cut it but drags the paper. Maybe you guys had it at idle?? Anyway, another piece of advice is to cut it from the TOP. If you hit the bottom, it bunches up. Hit it a few feet from the top each time and it will stay streamed out. (I do this "ribbon cut" act most weekends at the Flying Circus in Bealeton, VA) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Ole friend from high school Art Ritchie and I (now a United pilot) got a > chunk of toilet paper (we hit a bunched-up area) stuck in the Champ cowl > over the cylinder fins while doing a drop over the lake and boy was he > sorry he did that. Me too as he was giving me the 15 hours of dual I > needed on the Champ to get on the insurance since I was a novice > taildragger guy at the time. (still am, just older) We both about > crapped our pants as we smelled smoke. We pointed that thing towards > Norwalk Airport and in about 10 minutes we were on the ground. That > plane had toiled paper scraps hanging all over the place. The owner of > Norwalk came out to say hi to us and laughed at what he saw. We had > been found out. We popped the top cowl half off to remove the partially > burned/charred paper from the fins and baffle area. From then on we > always diced up the paper with the wings. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:53 PM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto direction --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com Pieters, Thanks for the help with the magneto direction. I think I know what I am doing now. The mags have a "L and "R" on a gear inside and that has to be changed to match the arrow on the matching gear. I can't use impulses on a dash 9 cont. so that isn't a problem. Thanks again Ken Conrad ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:12 PM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper and crepe paper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com I had a friend cutting t.p. with his EAA biplane and a large bunch stacked up on the flying wires or n struts and blocked out the aleron and he doesn't do it anymore. Just a comment. Ken Conrad ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:21 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" That was me, Steve. Good thing I remembered that the carb heat also bypassed the air cleaner, giving free air to the engine. I had hit the TP near the wingtip and it got caught in the wingtip vortex. When I came around on the next pass, it made such a pretty spiral that I couldn't resist putting the nose right through the center of the spiral. Bad move - it packed TP into the cooling shrouds and the cleaner and made the flight a whole lot more exciting than I wanted it to be. After that, I stuck to dropping watermelons. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" I don't remember where I heard it, but someone related that once they hit it head on and the TP plugged up the carb air intake and severely limited RPM causing another sooner-than-expected trip back to the airport. Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Ole friend from high school Art Ritchie and I (now a United pilot) got a chunk of toilet paper (we hit a bunched-up area) stuck in the Champ cowl over the cylinder fins while doing a drop over the lake and boy was he sorry he did that. Me too as he was giving me the 15 hours of dual I needed on the Champ to get on the insurance since I was a novice taildragger guy at the time. (still am, just older) We both about crapped our pants as we smelled smoke. We pointed that thing towards Norwalk Airport and in about 10 minutes we were on the ground. That plane had toiled paper scraps hanging all over the place. The owner of Norwalk came out to say hi to us and laughed at what he saw. We had been found out. We popped the top cowl half off to remove the partially burned/charred paper from the fins and baffle area. From then on we always diced up the paper with the wings. Mike C. == == == == ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:01 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson I sent a private email to you and Walt but I got a "delivery failed" notice from your server. Got someplace else I can send to? Har! har! shiver me timbers! Clif do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > Here will be great... Some of us will improve our knowledge of the > english language :-) :-) > > Dont you think so Javier? :-) > > Saludos > Gary Gower > Do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:40 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson I don't know about you but I'M building a ship of the air! complete with sails! Clif Har! Time to splice the mainbrace methinks! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Connie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie > > John, > > Have you ever met Kip? I could see the gold earring and the eye patch > without a problem. > > Dave > N36078 '41 BC-12-65 > > At 09:02 AM 10/27/2003, John Ford wrote: > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > > >Would that be a patch-over-one-eye, golden earring wearing *pirate* > >ARRRRGH? We are talking more and more about, Arrrrr, ship building, > >arrrrr shiver me spars, er, timbers... Wasn't national "Talk Like a > >Pirate" day a month or so ago? > >John *Arrrrrgh!* Greybeard > >do not archive > > > >John Ford > >john@indstate.edu > >812-237-8542 > >