---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/29/03: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:59 AM - Re: smoldering over Lake Erie (Ed Smith) 2. 05:06 AM - toilet paper breaks---crepe paper sometimes does not (Michael D Cuy) 3. 05:16 AM - Re: toilet paper breaks---crepe paper (John Ford) 4. 05:18 AM - Re: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? (Kip & Beth Gardner) 5. 08:30 AM - Re: toilet paper breaks---crepe paper sometimes does not (Carbarvo@aol.com) 6. 11:17 AM - cork floats (Jeff Hill) 7. 12:33 PM - Wire Wheel Hubs (Barry Davis) 8. 02:15 PM - wood finish (Ken Hannan) 9. 02:36 PM - Re: wood finish (Jim Markle) 10. 04:12 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (dave rowe) 11. 04:12 PM - Re: cork floats (Waytogopiet@aol.com) 12. 06:31 PM - Re: cork floats (Rcaprd@aol.com) 13. 06:54 PM - Re: cork floats (Jim Markle) 14. 09:03 PM - Re: cork floats (Rcaprd@aol.com) 15. 09:49 PM - Re: smoldering over Lake Erie (Gary Gower) 16. 11:15 PM - fuselage (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:01 AM PST US From: "Ed Smith" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Smith" Bad move - it > packed TP into the cooling shrouds and the cleaner and made the flight a > whole lot more exciting than I wanted it to be. After that, I stuck to > dropping watermelons. > > Jack > But wouldn't hitting a watermelon tend to crush the spinner? :-) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:50 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper breaks---crepe paper sometimes does not --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Gene-----I've never seen any toilet paper that could hold up to a wing and fold over. Think you were crossing the two ideas I was telling about w/ the crepe paper which does stretch nicely over the wing if you don't hit it too fast. Then you have this nice streamer trailing off your wing. Too close though to the prop and it won't survive the propwash area. If you find some toilet paper that won't break on a wing, don't wipe yourself with it because it's most likely 40 grit or better:))) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:36 AM PST US From: "John Ford" sometimes does not Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper breaks---crepe paper sometimes does not --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" I feel more and more fortunate to be living in "modern times" every single day. It scares the hell out of me to think of what a Sears catalog would do to a wing... ;-) John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:06:44 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Gene-----I've never seen any toilet paper that could hold up to a wing and fold over. Think you were crossing the two ideas I was telling about w/ the crepe paper which does stretch nicely over the wing if you don't hit it too fast. Then you have this nice streamer trailing off your wing. Too close though to the prop and it won't survive the propwash area. If you find some toilet paper that won't break on a wing, don't wipe yourself with it because it's most likely 40 grit or better:))) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:22 AM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner Clif, Right-O me hearty! Even St. Bernard referred to this beastie as a 'ship', so what's the problem? I guess with all these comments, I'll have to put Jolly Roger emblem on the side of mine! John, yes, I remember you from my ride in Ken Perkin's beautiful Piet at Brodhead. I hope that your 'hop' was fun too. As I've said, I traded in my eye patch & gold earring when I moved to Ohio, but when somebody torques me off, I still have the option of whackin' 'em a good one with my wooden leg. Shorten the mains'l and prepare to come about, there's a lubber off the port bow! ARRRG! Kip Gardner DO NOT ARCHIVE. At 1:14 AM -0500 10/29/03, Clif Dawson wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > >I don't know about you but I'M building a ship of the air! >complete with sails! > >Clif Har! Time to splice the mainbrace methinks! > >do not archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave and Connie" >To: ; >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Full Size Pattern ???? > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie > >> >> John, >> >> Have you ever met Kip? I could see the gold earring and the eye patch >> without a problem. >> >> Dave >> N36078 '41 BC-12-65 >> >> At 09:02 AM 10/27/2003, John Ford wrote: >> >> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" >> > >> >Would that be a patch-over-one-eye, golden earring wearing *pirate* >> >ARRRRGH? We are talking more and more about, Arrrrr, ship building, >> >arrrrr shiver me spars, er, timbers... Wasn't national "Talk Like a >> >Pirate" day a month or so ago? >> >John *Arrrrrgh!* Greybeard >> >do not archive >> > >> >John Ford >> >john@indstate.edu >> >812-237-8542 >> >> > > North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:32 AM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper breaks---crepe paper sometimes does not --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Sounds like GI issue....CV ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:58 AM PST US From: "Jeff Hill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cork floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" Shellac may be fine for coating cork that floats in avgas but do not use it for auto gas. I have a 1926 Disappearing Propellor Boat (from Canada) that uses a Kingston carb. Originally, the cork carb floats were coated with shellac which worked fine. Today's gas has many additives including some that dissolve the shellac. Then the float sinks and gas pours in through the needle and seat and overflows over the bowl and collects in the bilge. By this time the engine has stopped so you have to take apart your carb and put in a new cork float (if you have one). This all happens during a raging sea on Georgian Bay. The lesson is to coat your float with a thin layer of epoxy that is impervious to the additives (toxins) in today's auto gas. Never had a problem since. Jeff in beautiful clear warm TX where I've just cut out the ailerons from the wing. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:07 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but just now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are they on the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older just ain't as good as they say it is. Barry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:17 PM PST US From: "Ken Hannan" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood finish --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" Group: All of the wood work on my Pietenpol almost completed and it is time to put on a clear finish, what clear are you guys using? Thanks, Ken Hannan Temecula, CA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:06 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood finish --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I had the same question recently. I went to the Archive Search Engine (the link's at the bottom of these email messages) and did a search on "varnish & covering" and found a wealth of information. Pretty amazing really how much is there.... Give that a try. Jim in Plano -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hannan Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood finish --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" Group: All of the wood work on my Pietenpol almost completed and it is time to put on a clear finish, what clear are you guys using? Thanks, Ken Hannan Temecula, CA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:53 PM PST US From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly appreciated Barry Davis wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but just now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are they on the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older just ain't as good as they say it is. > Barry > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:53 PM PST US From: Waytogopiet@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com In a message dated 10/29/2003 1:18:52 PM Central Standard Time, jeff2dogs@hotmail.com writes: The lesson is to coat your float with a thin layer of epoxy that is impervious to the additives (toxins) in today's auto gas. Never had a problem since. I have had a bottle cork that I coated with t-88 floating in a jar with auto gas for over six months. Look at it periodically and have found no deterioration to date. And the cork is still showing the same displacement. For what it's worth Don Hicks ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:12 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/29/03 1:18:53 PM Central Standard Time, jeff2dogs@hotmail.com writes: << The lesson is to coat your float with a thin layer of epoxy that is impervious to the additives (toxins) in today's auto gas. Never had a problem since. >> I used Polyester Resin to coat the cork...the auto body stuff. It's the same material I used to build my two fuel tanks with. This will also serve to find out if something in the fuel, like alcohol, has deteriated the resin the tank is made from. Yesterday, I was taking off from a local grass strip, and didn't realize how high one of the whooptie doo's were. I had 15 gal of fuel onboard, and on take off run, the tail came up, airspeed was just passing 30 mph, and Ba-Wump !! It was like a ramp that tossed 'er in the air before she was ready to fly !! I managed to hold 'er off in ground effect, and flew out of it. Surprise take-off for sure, but she took care of me!! Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I can hardly wait for someone to ask what a "whooptie doo" is........ ---- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork floats > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/29/03 1:18:53 PM Central Standard Time, > jeff2dogs@hotmail.com writes: > > << The lesson is to coat your float with a thin layer of epoxy that is > impervious to the additives (toxins) in today's auto gas. Never had a > problem since. >> > > I used Polyester Resin to coat the cork...the auto body stuff. It's the same > material I used to build my two fuel tanks with. This will also serve to > find out if something in the fuel, like alcohol, has deteriated the resin the > tank is made from. > Yesterday, I was taking off from a local grass strip, and didn't realize > how high one of the whooptie doo's were. I had 15 gal of fuel onboard, and on > take off run, the tail came up, airspeed was just passing 30 mph, and Ba-Wump > !! It was like a ramp that tossed 'er in the air before she was ready to fly > !! I managed to hold 'er off in ground effect, and flew out of it. Surprise > take-off for sure, but she took care of me!! > > Chuck G. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:24 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 10/29/03 8:56:05 PM Central Standard Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: << I can hardly wait for someone to ask what a "whooptie doo" is........ >> Jim, The context I used the 'whoopie doo' term, was in describing the uneven surface of the grass runway. No doubt, it was derived from a nautical term meaning 'Sailing across the white tops'. :) Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:32 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smoldering over Lake Erie --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower --- Ed Smith wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Smith" > > > > Bad move - it > > packed TP into the cooling shrouds and the cleaner and made the > flight a > > whole lot more exciting than I wanted it to be. After that, I > stuck to > > dropping watermelons. > > > > Jack > > > But wouldn't hitting a watermelon tend to crush the spinner? :-) > This list is great! ROFL Saludos Gary Gower. __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:31 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson I've finally got the camera working again. The basic fuse is now complete. I think I should stop here and make metal things to go onto it. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=27