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1. 04:48 AM - whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (Michael D Cuy)
2. 04:53 AM - great pics, Cliff (Michael D Cuy)
3. 05:22 AM - Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (John Ford)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (Jim Markle)
6. 06:55 AM - Vp (Michael D Cuy)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (catdesign@intergate.com)
8. 11:28 AM - Personal pilot flight range extender kit (Doc Mosher)
9. 11:34 AM - Re: Personal pilot flight range extender kit (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
10. 12:27 PM - Re: Personal pilot flight range extender kit (Gadd, Skip)
11. 02:23 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Barry Davis)
12. 03:32 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Carbarvo@aol.com)
13. 04:48 PM - Re: of topic (javier cruz)
14. 06:14 PM - Re: cutting aircraft cable (Doyle K. Combs)
15. 07:27 PM - Vintage looking gauges (Ted Brousseau)
16. 09:26 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (dave rowe)
17. 11:08 PM - Re: great pics, Cliff (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | whooptie doos and humpty-bumps |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term eventually,
so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can
explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a
gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to do
performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly.
Also some V speeds you might want to study up on:
Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the trees
at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get them
a ride in a 172.
Vjr velocity just right
Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a bathroom
Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | great pics, Cliff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Excellent photos, Cliff. Great looking work and details on how you did
things. A wealth of info there for the visual people out there like me.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Mike,
After seeing your extremely nice Piet with its extremely clever smoke
system, I would think you would have been able to address the Vp issue
with just a few more feet of tubing. Maybe you could incorporate it
into the smoke system (if you can handle the smell) or else install a,
er, *bladder* tank in the belly (insert rim shot here). I had a friend
in Alaska who once used a ziplock bag in the back seat of a Champ, which
was perfect for the job until it broke apart in his face as he was
trying to chuck it out the window. I heard that they never did
completely get rid of the smell (from the airplane, that is).. :-(
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:48:16 AM
>>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term
eventually,
so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can
explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a
gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to
do
performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly.
Also some V speeds you might want to study up on:
Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the
trees
at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get
them
a ride in a 172.
Vjr velocity just right
Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a
bathroom
Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps |
10/30/2003 08:56:07 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org
"I had a friend
in Alaska who once used a ziplock bag in the back seat of a Champ, which
was perfect for the job until it broke apart in his face as he was
trying to chuck it out the window."
Perfect story for one of those I learned about flying from that type
articles ;-)
"John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>@matronics.com on 10/30/2003 08:21:31 AM
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Mike,
After seeing your extremely nice Piet with its extremely clever smoke
system, I would think you would have been able to address the Vp issue
with just a few more feet of tubing. Maybe you could incorporate it
into the smoke system (if you can handle the smell) or else install a,
er, *bladder* tank in the belly (insert rim shot here). I had a friend
in Alaska who once used a ziplock bag in the back seat of a Champ, which
was perfect for the job until it broke apart in his face as he was
trying to chuck it out the window. I heard that they never did
completely get rid of the smell (from the airplane, that is).. :-(
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:48:16 AM
>>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term
eventually,
so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can
explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a
gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to
do
performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly.
Also some V speeds you might want to study up on:
Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the
trees
at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get
them
a ride in a 172.
Vjr velocity just right
Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a
bathroom
Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I've been involved with a lot of special interest groups over the years but
never such a talented bunch with a good sense of humor.....
Now any time I think of "V" speeds I won't be able to keep a straight
face....
jm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term eventually,
> so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can
> explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a
> gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to do
> performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly.
>
> Also some V speeds you might want to study up on:
>
> Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the trees
> at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get them
> a ride in a 172.
>
> Vjr velocity just right
>
> Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a bathroom
>
> Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........
>
> Mike C.
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
John- thanks for your good words on the Piet. The humpty-bumps look fun
from the ground when the smoke is on. I empathize with your friend in the
Champ and his zip lock bag experience. Same happened to me in 1991
enroute to Wisconsin in the Champ we had. It was one ugly mess.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Hubs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" <catdesign@intergate.com>
I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one else
need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
uoting dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
>
> I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through
> the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly
> appreciated
>
> Barry Davis wrote:
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
> >
> > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but just
> now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are they on
> the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older just
> ain't as good as they say it is.
> > Barry
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Personal pilot flight range extender kit |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
The successful use of a good quality Ziplock bag for a personal pilot
flight range extender kit depends on several things:
1. Ability to work with bulky winter clothing (snowmobile suit, etc.) in
cold cockpit environment.
2. Ability to work without dramatic body contortions within the finite
cockpit space.
3. Ability of pilot and airplane to cooperate in the flight path of the
airplane while pilot is distracted. Historical evidence shows that such
actions almost always take much more time than anticipated by pilot
types. Pilots should realize that most of their bad flight experiences
have been "trying to get the damn thing going (takeoff) and trying to get
the damned thing stopped (landing)." In between (cruise?) is the easy
part. That is the essence of a lot of life's experiences.
4. Use of a good quality absorbent material housed within the Ziplock
bag. Never, never, use the
Ziplock bag without
absorbent material such as Modess, Depends, etc. already installed in the
Ziplock.
Adequate anecdotal literature shows that this can be a portender for disaster.
For you more esoteric research people, a service to mankind (too gender
specific?) would be to conduct quasi-scientific studies on the best
generic size of the Ziplock and the most practical absorbent
material. Results can be published in a scientific journal such as the
Piet group chatline. There may be research grants available.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
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| Subject: | Re: Personal pilot flight range extender kit |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
NEVER ASSUME THAT A 16 OZ McDONALDS CUP HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY!!!!
Terry L. Bowden
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| Subject: | Personal pilot flight range extender kit |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Doc,
Very useful information, are we talking voice of experience or just good
research? ;)))
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Hubs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Thanks Chris
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <catdesign@intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
<catdesign@intergate.com>
>
> I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one
else
> need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file.
>
>
> Chris T.
> Sacramento, Ca
>
>
> uoting dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
> >
> > I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through
> > the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly
> > appreciated
> >
> > Barry Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
<bed@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but
just
> > now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are
they on
> > the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older
just
> > ain't as good as they say it is.
> > > Barry
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Hubs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
I don't mean to but in, but there's an article by Grant Maclaren on Howard
Henderson's wire wheels on p. 36 of theMarch 1990 issue of Kitplanes. Also see
p.10 of issue 10/Jan 2003 BPA Newsletter and p. 3 of issue 4/July 2001 BPA
Newsletter. Is the article being emailed different from these? If so, I'd like
to
add it to my references. Carl Vought
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
I friends
Yes, that's right Gary.... i think that this list is
very usefull, i am learn to work wood, welding,
mechanic, etc.. and of course to try to speak english.
Well i am back at home, after to take a good 15 days
of GII flight training at Dallas,Tx.. and ready for
work on the Piet.. by the way, i want to thanks to
Jim for the help there...
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: cutting aircraft cable |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" <dcombs@Ltex.net>
Oscar, I received one of the plates for the Pietenpol. I don't think I ever
paid you for it. Please send me a reply email with your mailing address.
Sorry I am so long.
Doyle Combs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting aircraft cable
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Howdy, folks;
>
> You know how all the tips and how-to's for cutting aircraft cable say to
use
> a cold chisel and hammer (including Bingelis' books)? The problem is,
once
> you've gotten your cable fitted and nicopressed in position, at least on
one
> end of the cable there is no way to get a chisel, hammer, or anything else
> in there to do the cutting. So here's a nifty tip from one of the old
> Pietenpol newsletters for when you've got the cable all nicopressed in
place
> and are ready to cut off the tag end. Take your Dremel tool with the
small
> abrasive cut-off wheel and use it to slice through the tag end! Slip a
> small piece of stainless or other metal between the tag end and the
standing
> cable so your cutoff wheel doesn't nick the standing part of the cable as
it
> cuts through, and before you start cutting wrap the whole thing with some
> masking tape to catch the cutoff bits of cable.
>
> And you did remember to slip a piece of heat-shrink tubing over the cable
> before you fitted the cable and nico, didn't you? After cutting off the
> excess cable and making sure everything is fitted, cover the nico and cut
> end with heat shrink tubing (unless you're concerned about your inspector
or
> designee not being able to see that the cables are properly nico'd).
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Vintage looking gauges |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
My project is starting to look like an airplane and it is time to start
thinking about the instrument panel.
Does anyone know where to find mechanical oil temp and pressure gauges with
that Vintage or Classic look? I find lots of beautiful gauges that qualify
but are electric.
Thanks,
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Hubs |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Would love a copy. Dave Rowe
Barry Davis wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>
> Thanks Chris
> Barry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <catdesign@intergate.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
> <catdesign@intergate.com>
> >
> > I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one
> else
> > need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file.
> >
> >
> > Chris T.
> > Sacramento, Ca
> >
> >
> > uoting dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>:
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
> > >
> > > I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through
> > > the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly
> > > appreciated
> > >
> > > Barry Davis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
> <bed@mindspring.com>
> > > >
> > > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but
> just
> > > now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are
> they on
> > > the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older
> just
> > > ain't as good as they say it is.
> > > > Barry
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: great pics, Cliff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Thanks Mike. I should explain a few things though.
All the wood used is hemlock. I ran around in
circles trying to get 14' lengths.Not made in the size
of material I was collecting, which is 1 1/16X 1 1/16"
Nobody knows why it's made in that size. It's a
molding material.I finally took two perfect 8' lengths
and spliced them together ( no, it's not a mainbrace )
with a 24" splice. That occurs just behind the pilot's
seat and all sides are covered in 1/8" ply. Since there
is a considerable weight variation in hemlock I spliced
a light piece to a heavy one, heavy to the front. I waited
for some time as I was trying to get ahold of a planer to
reduce this stuff to 1" X 1" but finally said to H with it
and built the fuse. It should be like a vault and since
hem is lighter on average than spruce anyway it shoudn't
be any heavier. Also I took a page from your book and
am buiding in an openning on the bottom from pilot seat
back to the next crossmember. Oh yes, I have increased
the fuse width to 25" to the front seat back so it tapers
to 24" at the pilots seat back. My mockpit told me that
it would be more comfortable and safer from the
standpoint of arm movements around that side brace
in there. My elbow kept hitting it moving the stick
around.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Excellent photos, Cliff. Great looking work and details on how you did
> things. A wealth of info there for the visual people out there like me.
>
> Mike C.
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