---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/30/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (Michael D Cuy) 2. 04:53 AM - great pics, Cliff (Michael D Cuy) 3. 05:22 AM - Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (John Ford) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (John_Duprey@vmed.org) 5. 06:55 AM - Re: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps (Jim Markle) 6. 06:55 AM - Vp (Michael D Cuy) 7. 08:10 AM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (catdesign@intergate.com) 8. 11:28 AM - Personal pilot flight range extender kit (Doc Mosher) 9. 11:34 AM - Re: Personal pilot flight range extender kit (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 10. 12:27 PM - Re: Personal pilot flight range extender kit (Gadd, Skip) 11. 02:23 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Barry Davis) 12. 03:32 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Carbarvo@aol.com) 13. 04:48 PM - Re: of topic (javier cruz) 14. 06:14 PM - Re: cutting aircraft cable (Doyle K. Combs) 15. 07:27 PM - Vintage looking gauges (Ted Brousseau) 16. 09:26 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (dave rowe) 17. 11:08 PM - Re: great pics, Cliff (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:47 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term eventually, so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to do performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly. Also some V speeds you might want to study up on: Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the trees at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get them a ride in a 172. Vjr velocity just right Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a bathroom Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........ Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:22 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: great pics, Cliff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Excellent photos, Cliff. Great looking work and details on how you did things. A wealth of info there for the visual people out there like me. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:05 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Mike, After seeing your extremely nice Piet with its extremely clever smoke system, I would think you would have been able to address the Vp issue with just a few more feet of tubing. Maybe you could incorporate it into the smoke system (if you can handle the smell) or else install a, er, *bladder* tank in the belly (insert rim shot here). I had a friend in Alaska who once used a ziplock bag in the back seat of a Champ, which was perfect for the job until it broke apart in his face as he was trying to chuck it out the window. I heard that they never did completely get rid of the smell (from the airplane, that is).. :-( John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:48:16 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term eventually, so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to do performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly. Also some V speeds you might want to study up on: Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the trees at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get them a ride in a 172. Vjr velocity just right Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a bathroom Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........ Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:26 AM PST US From: John_Duprey@vmed.org Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps 10/30/2003 08:56:07 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org "I had a friend in Alaska who once used a ziplock bag in the back seat of a Champ, which was perfect for the job until it broke apart in his face as he was trying to chuck it out the window." Perfect story for one of those I learned about flying from that type articles ;-) "John Ford" @matronics.com on 10/30/2003 08:21:31 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com cc: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Mike, After seeing your extremely nice Piet with its extremely clever smoke system, I would think you would have been able to address the Vp issue with just a few more feet of tubing. Maybe you could incorporate it into the smoke system (if you can handle the smell) or else install a, er, *bladder* tank in the belly (insert rim shot here). I had a friend in Alaska who once used a ziplock bag in the back seat of a Champ, which was perfect for the job until it broke apart in his face as he was trying to chuck it out the window. I heard that they never did completely get rid of the smell (from the airplane, that is).. :-( John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:48:16 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term eventually, so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to do performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly. Also some V speeds you might want to study up on: Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the trees at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get them a ride in a 172. Vjr velocity just right Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a bathroom Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........ Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:33 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I've been involved with a lot of special interest groups over the years but never such a talented bunch with a good sense of humor..... Now any time I think of "V" speeds I won't be able to keep a straight face.... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: whooptie doos and humpty-bumps > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Jim-- you gotta get into these technical Pietenpol flying term eventually, > so Chuck, myself, and others will be glad to help you out. Chuck can > explain the whooptie doos, but I'll tell you what a humpty-bump is: a > gentle roller coaster like exercise that Karen's daughter likes me to do > performed by cycling the stick away from and towards your belly. > > Also some V speeds you might want to study up on: > > Vng velocity no-go when you realize you ain't going to clear the trees > at the other end with that fat passenger so you throttle back and get them > a ride in a 172. > > Vjr velocity just right > > Vp the optimum speed to get you to the nearest airport w/ a bathroom > > Vuh-o the speed that you notice right after you say oh--sh........ > > Mike C. > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:57 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vp --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy John- thanks for your good words on the Piet. The humpty-bumps look fun from the ground when the smoke is on. I empathize with your friend in the Champ and his zip lock bag experience. Same happened to me in 1991 enroute to Wisconsin in the Champ we had. It was one ugly mess. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:08 AM PST US From: "catdesign@intergate.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one else need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca uoting dave rowe : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > > I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through > the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly > appreciated > > Barry Davis wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but just > now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are they on > the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older just > ain't as good as they say it is. > > Barry > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:33 AM PST US From: Doc Mosher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Personal pilot flight range extender kit --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher The successful use of a good quality Ziplock bag for a personal pilot flight range extender kit depends on several things: 1. Ability to work with bulky winter clothing (snowmobile suit, etc.) in cold cockpit environment. 2. Ability to work without dramatic body contortions within the finite cockpit space. 3. Ability of pilot and airplane to cooperate in the flight path of the airplane while pilot is distracted. Historical evidence shows that such actions almost always take much more time than anticipated by pilot types. Pilots should realize that most of their bad flight experiences have been "trying to get the damn thing going (takeoff) and trying to get the damned thing stopped (landing)." In between (cruise?) is the easy part. That is the essence of a lot of life's experiences. 4. Use of a good quality absorbent material housed within the Ziplock bag. Never, never, use the Ziplock bag without absorbent material such as Modess, Depends, etc. already installed in the Ziplock. Adequate anecdotal literature shows that this can be a portender for disaster. For you more esoteric research people, a service to mankind (too gender specific?) would be to conduct quasi-scientific studies on the best generic size of the Ziplock and the most practical absorbent material. Results can be published in a scientific journal such as the Piet group chatline. There may be research grants available. Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:22 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Personal pilot flight range extender kit --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com DO NOT ARCHIVE NEVER ASSUME THAT A 16 OZ McDONALDS CUP HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY!!!! Terry L. Bowden ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:33 PM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Personal pilot flight range extender kit --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Doc, Very useful information, are we talking voice of experience or just good research? ;))) Skip Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:25 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" Thanks Chris Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one else > need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file. > > > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > > > uoting dave rowe : > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > > > > I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through > > the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly > > appreciated > > > > Barry Davis wrote: > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > > > > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but just > > now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are they on > > the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older just > > ain't as good as they say it is. > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:42 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com I don't mean to but in, but there's an article by Grant Maclaren on Howard Henderson's wire wheels on p. 36 of theMarch 1990 issue of Kitplanes. Also see p.10 of issue 10/Jan 2003 BPA Newsletter and p. 3 of issue 4/July 2001 BPA Newsletter. Is the article being emailed different from these? If so, I'd like to add it to my references. Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:59 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: of topic --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz I friends Yes, that's right Gary.... i think that this list is very usefull, i am learn to work wood, welding, mechanic, etc.. and of course to try to speak english. Well i am back at home, after to take a good 15 days of GII flight training at Dallas,Tx.. and ready for work on the Piet.. by the way, i want to thanks to Jim for the help there... __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:52 PM PST US From: "Doyle K. Combs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cutting aircraft cable --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" Oscar, I received one of the plates for the Pietenpol. I don't think I ever paid you for it. Please send me a reply email with your mailing address. Sorry I am so long. Doyle Combs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting aircraft cable > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Howdy, folks; > > You know how all the tips and how-to's for cutting aircraft cable say to use > a cold chisel and hammer (including Bingelis' books)? The problem is, once > you've gotten your cable fitted and nicopressed in position, at least on one > end of the cable there is no way to get a chisel, hammer, or anything else > in there to do the cutting. So here's a nifty tip from one of the old > Pietenpol newsletters for when you've got the cable all nicopressed in place > and are ready to cut off the tag end. Take your Dremel tool with the small > abrasive cut-off wheel and use it to slice through the tag end! Slip a > small piece of stainless or other metal between the tag end and the standing > cable so your cutoff wheel doesn't nick the standing part of the cable as it > cuts through, and before you start cutting wrap the whole thing with some > masking tape to catch the cutoff bits of cable. > > And you did remember to slip a piece of heat-shrink tubing over the cable > before you fitted the cable and nico, didn't you? After cutting off the > excess cable and making sure everything is fitted, cover the nico and cut > end with heat shrink tubing (unless you're concerned about your inspector or > designee not being able to see that the cables are properly nico'd). > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:34 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vintage looking gauges --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" My project is starting to look like an airplane and it is time to start thinking about the instrument panel. Does anyone know where to find mechanical oil temp and pressure gauges with that Vintage or Classic look? I find lots of beautiful gauges that qualify but are electric. Thanks, Ted ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:47 PM PST US From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe Would love a copy. Dave Rowe Barry Davis wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > Thanks Chris > Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > > > > I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one > else > > need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file. > > > > > > Chris T. > > Sacramento, Ca > > > > > > uoting dave rowe : > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > > > > > > I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through > > > the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly > > > appreciated > > > > > > Barry Davis wrote: > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > > > > > > > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but > just > > > now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are > they on > > > the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older > just > > > ain't as good as they say it is. > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:28 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great pics, Cliff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Thanks Mike. I should explain a few things though. All the wood used is hemlock. I ran around in circles trying to get 14' lengths.Not made in the size of material I was collecting, which is 1 1/16X 1 1/16" Nobody knows why it's made in that size. It's a molding material.I finally took two perfect 8' lengths and spliced them together ( no, it's not a mainbrace ) with a 24" splice. That occurs just behind the pilot's seat and all sides are covered in 1/8" ply. Since there is a considerable weight variation in hemlock I spliced a light piece to a heavy one, heavy to the front. I waited for some time as I was trying to get ahold of a planer to reduce this stuff to 1" X 1" but finally said to H with it and built the fuse. It should be like a vault and since hem is lighter on average than spruce anyway it shoudn't be any heavier. Also I took a page from your book and am buiding in an openning on the bottom from pilot seat back to the next crossmember. Oh yes, I have increased the fuse width to 25" to the front seat back so it tapers to 24" at the pilots seat back. My mockpit told me that it would be more comfortable and safer from the standpoint of arm movements around that side brace in there. My elbow kept hitting it moving the stick around. Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Excellent photos, Cliff. Great looking work and details on how you did > things. A wealth of info there for the visual people out there like me. > > Mike C.