---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/31/03: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:18 AM - Re: Personal pilot flight range extender kit (John Dilatush) 2. 04:28 AM - Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges (Michael D Cuy) 3. 04:29 AM - S-W web site home page (Michael D Cuy) 4. 05:03 AM - cork floats (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:32 AM - Engine Mount for Corvair (Alex Sloan) 6. 07:37 AM - Re: Engine Mount for Corvair (Lynn & Doris Knoll) 7. 11:41 AM - Articles in EAA and related publications (Carbarvo@aol.com) 8. 02:18 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Alex Sloan) 9. 02:38 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Carbarvo@aol.com) 10. 03:29 PM - Re: great pics, Cliff (Kip & Beth Gardner) 11. 05:22 PM - (Doc Mosher) 12. 08:02 PM - Re: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges (Ted Brousseau) 13. 08:23 PM - Wire Wheel Hubs (dpaul) 14. 09:35 PM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs () 15. 10:40 PM - All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! (Matt Dralle) 16. 11:30 PM - Re: great pics, Cliff (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:19 AM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Personal pilot flight range extender kit --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doc Mosher" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Personal pilot flight range extender kit +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Doc, I have been following this discussion about the problem of relieving one's self while flying and must relate a personal note about a thing that happened to me many, many years ago. In about 1948, I was flying my J-3 over the Mt. Vernon valley near Marysville WA. It had been raining and maybe this is what made everything so urgent. In fact, I was desperate! I could stand it no longer and picked out a field below to put the plane into, didn't have time to even drag the field, plopped down with brakes full locked, skidded to a stop on the wet grass, tumbled out of the idleing plane and relieved myself. Man, it sure felt good! Then I looked up to see a hangar at the edge of the field with a bunch of guys in stitches! I climbed back in and took off right from there! Later, I had an occasion to land, (this time intentionally) at the same Marysville Airport. While putting gas in, the guy said,"you know, this looks like a plane that dropped in here from no place, the idiot peed in the middle of our field and then took off again!" I could only laugh weakly. John ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Please, do not archive. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher > > The successful use of a good quality Ziplock bag for a personal pilot > flight range extender kit depends on several things: > > 1. Ability to work with bulky winter clothing (snowmobile suit, etc.) in > cold cockpit environment. > > 2. Ability to work without dramatic body contortions within the finite > cockpit space. > > 3. Ability of pilot and airplane to cooperate in the flight path of the > airplane while pilot is distracted. Historical evidence shows that such > actions almost always take much more time than anticipated by pilot > types. Pilots should realize that most of their bad flight experiences > have been "trying to get the damn thing going (takeoff) and trying to get > the damned thing stopped (landing)." In between (cruise?) is the easy > part. That is the essence of a lot of life's experiences. > > 4. Use of a good quality absorbent material housed within the Ziplock > bag. Never, never, use the > Ziplock bag without > absorbent material such as Modess, Depends, etc. already installed in the > Ziplock. > Adequate anecdotal literature shows that this can be a portender for disaster. > > For you more esoteric research people, a service to mankind (too gender > specific?) would be to conduct quasi-scientific studies on the best > generic size of the Ziplock and the most practical absorbent > material. Results can be published in a scientific journal such as the > Piet group chatline. There may be research grants available. > > Doc Mosher > Oshkosh USA > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:40 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Ted-- was just looking thru my Stewart Warner Catalog last night. You can try them on line at this web site: http://www.stewartwarner.com/Catalog/2wng.html They make modern gauges too but this 'Wings' product line has the older vintage look--tho it might be meant for cars, it's the right price for aeroplane builders ! Mike ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:14 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: S-W web site home page --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy http://www.stewartwarner.com/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:24 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cork floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" Can anybody tell me what happens if a cork sits in auto gas and isn't sealed with something? I'm tryint to figure out what would happen. Does it get sink eventually or come apart? Douwe Douweblumberg@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:52 AM PST US From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount for Corvair --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" Fellow Pietenpol builders, I am ready to weld up my engine mount for a Corvair engine. I have a question. The drawing for the Corvair engine mount shows a 5/8-.035 spacer for item 2. As I understand the drawing this is for spacing the tabs that bolt to the firewall with the 5/16 bolts. As I think through this it seems to me that the spacers would be welded to the ends of the 3/4 .049 4130 tubes that will be also welded to the tabs that hold it to the firewall. Is this assumption correct? Thanks for your assistance. Alex Sloan alexms1@bellsouth.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:18 AM PST US From: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount for Corvair --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" Alex, your assumption is correct. The professional welder who welded our mount welded the 3/4 tubes (all around) first and then fitted the tabs and welded them last. Lynn Knoll Wichita, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount for Corvair > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" > > Fellow Pietenpol builders, > I am ready to weld up my engine mount for a Corvair engine. I have a question. The drawing for the Corvair engine mount shows a 5/8-.035 spacer for item 2. As I understand the drawing this is for spacing the tabs that bolt to the firewall with the 5/16 bolts. As I think through this it seems to me that the spacers would be welded to the ends of the 3/4 .049 4130 tubes that will be also welded to the tabs that hold it to the firewall. Is this assumption correct? > Thanks for your assistance. > Alex Sloan > alexms1@bellsouth.net > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:19 AM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Articles in EAA and related publications --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com You may all know about this already, but for those who don't, there is an excellent bibliography of Piet articles that can be accessed at the following address: http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/selecting/kits/Pietenpol%20Aircamper.html..................... ...Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:17 PM PST US From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" Chris, I would love to get the wire wheel info. That is the way I am going. Alex Sloan alexms1@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" > > I just sent a scan of the wire wheel article to Barry and Dave. Any one else > need it. It's about a 3 meg jpg file. > > > Chris T. > Sacramento, Ca > > > uoting dave rowe : > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > > > > I'm interested in any info on wire wheels as well, haven't gone through > > the archives yet, but I will, I promise. Any assitance greatly > > appreciated > > > > Barry Davis wrote: > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > > > > > 4130 wire wheel hubs. I know I.ve seen the plans several times, but just > > now when I need them, I can't remember what they are printed in. Are they on > > the net any place? Or are they in a newsletter? Dang, this getting older just > > ain't as good as they say it is. > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:08 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Hi Chris...If you wouldn't mind, please include me in the wire wheel hub article emailing..Thank you Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:12 PM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great pics, Cliff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 2:05 AM -0500 10/31/03, Clif Dawson wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > >Thanks Mike. I should explain a few things though. >All the wood used is hemlock. I ran around in >circles trying to get 14' lengths.Not made in the size >of material I was collecting, which is 1 1/16X 1 1/16" >Nobody knows why it's made in that size. >My mockpit told me that >it would be more comfortable and safer from the >standpoint of arm movements around that side brace >in there. My elbow kept hitting it moving the stick >around. > >Clif Clif, Here's a second (or third) on great photos & a great-looking project. I particularly liked your throttle quadrant & will probably plagerize, but everything looks first-rate. I was wondering if you could tell me how you set up your rear cockpit panel. I really liked the extra room at the bottom, but was wondering what you did about the crosspiece that normally goes between the longerons at that point. Is it still there behind the panel, or did you do something else? Thanks! Kip Gardner (fighting off another round of kidney stones - this time ARRRGH! has nothing to do with pirates) North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:46 PM PST US From: Doc Mosher Subject: Pietenpol-List: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher In reference to the list of EAA magazine articles about about the venerable Pietenpol airplanes that Carl Vought referenced, if I can be of any help with these, let me know. I don't mean to do Sue Lurvey at the EAA library out of any business, but if you wonder about an article or maybe even want a copy, perhaps at times I can look it up and/or copy it. Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:01 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Mike, Thanks. SW Wings are what got me hooked. But only electric. I am really resisting going electric as long as I can pull a prop.... Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Ted-- was just looking thru my Stewart Warner Catalog last night. You can > try them on line at > this web site: http://www.stewartwarner.com/Catalog/2wng.html > > They make modern gauges too but this 'Wings' product line has the older > vintage look--tho it might be meant for cars, it's the right price for > aeroplane builders ! > > Mike > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:20 PM PST US From: "dpaul" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dpaul" Hello, Chris, I would also appreciate some information about the wire wheel hubs. Thanks! Dave Paulsen ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:51 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: A suggestion regarding wire wheels..... Dale and I followed Howard Hendersons hub plans which accomodate 40 spokes. After the hubs were made we went to the motorcycle boneyard to find rims. We discovered that 40 spoke rims are much less common than 36 spoke rims. The boneyard had shelves full of 36 spoke rims but 40 spoke rims were quite rare. My next set will be 36 spoke hubs. Greg Cardinal ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:11 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Hi Listers! A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just try you browser because it'll probably just work. Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat rooms as "MattDralle". There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when someone sends a message. The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like. Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this List's specific Chat Room! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon... ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:24 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great pics, Cliff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Kip, Thanks, and I have to apologize. I had to laugh heartily at your gallstone comment even though I've been told they are somewhat! painful, Sorry. Feel free to plagerize all you want. I even laid out the parts in a pic for that purpose. The only thing I can think of for the space is that I took it upon myself to deepen the fuse to 25" as well as the extra width. The crosspiece is still there. I hope you get better without too much pain. Unless you have masochistic tendencies. Know the difference between a masochist and a sadist? A masochist is someone who says " Beat me, beat me!" A true sadist? That's someone who says......No! Clif > Clif, > > Here's a second (or third) on great photos & a great-looking project. I > particularly liked your throttle quadrant & will probably plagerize, but > everything looks first-rate. > > I was wondering if you could tell me how you set up your rear cockpit > panel. I really liked the extra room at the bottom, but was wondering what > you did about the crosspiece that normally goes between the longerons at > that point. Is it still there behind the panel, or did you do something > else? > > Thanks! > > Kip Gardner > > (fighting off another round of kidney stones - this time ARRRGH! has > nothing to do with pirates) > > > North Canton, OH