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1. 07:57 AM - Re: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
2. 01:31 PM - 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
3. 02:46 PM - Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com)
4. 02:54 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (w b evans)
5. 03:05 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 03:27 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (w b evans)
7. 03:32 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (hjarrett)
8. 03:50 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 04:10 PM - Wire wheels (Carbarvo@aol.com)
10. 06:22 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (TomTravis@aol.com)
11. 07:13 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Rcaprd@aol.com)
12. 07:14 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com)
13. 07:17 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (TomTravis@aol.com)
14. 07:21 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 08:30 PM - No oil pressure after starting a small Continental engine... (Graham Hansen)
16. 09:17 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Ronnie Wagner)
17. 09:20 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (w b evans)
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Subject: | Re: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
What are the prices on the guages? I couldn't find them anywhere on the
website.
Dennis
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Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual
time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the dial but
still no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the
pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil running into
the jar:
I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not
been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some sort of
priming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in the
country?
I sure need some input on this problem.
Thanks
Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Corky,
I remember this happening when my 65 had been rebuilt and on the plane but
sat with no real run time. Checked the book for the lube sequence. Pretty
sure I took the cap off the strainer, and pumped oil in there. That drained
oil right to the gears in the pump like Roux on deveined shrimp :
). The
pressure came back , and all has been well since.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual
> time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the
dial but
> still no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the
> pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil
running into
> the jar:
> I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not
> been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some
sort of
> priming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in
the
> country?
> I sure need some input on this problem.
> Thanks
>
> Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Thanks Walt,
I'll go tomorrow and Roux that engine and if all goes well. Weather is
suppose to be 85 tomorrow afternoon. Who knows what might happen as I taxi up and
down Bluebird field while checking that oil pressure. Have to be safe under all
happenings.
Corky in beautiful Louisiana
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Corky,
Keep an eye on that pressure, and if you should break ground, and the trees
are getting close, only one thing to do to save life and limb.......Oh well.
Today in NJ was great, in the mid 50's in the AM. Climbed out and went into
a warm layer. (climbed like a rocket) Dead smooth, that I flew around in
for 1/2 hour. One end of the valley was like going into a fridge, , turned
around. Flew in the warm till ready to land. Broke down into the cold/
gusty bottom to land.
ain't life grand!!!
walt evans
NX140DL
PS. talked to my mentor today about my first annual inspection. Gave me
some good pointers. Going to borrow his compression checker, that looks
like a tire guage, with a stem that comes up. He said that it's one from
the old radials. They had one in each cly. and when they cranked the
engine, you could see each one pop up with the turn of the engine.
cool! :
)
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From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Thanks Walt,
>
> I'll go tomorrow and Roux that engine and if all goes well. Weather is
> suppose to be 85 tomorrow afternoon. Who knows what might happen as I taxi
up and
> down Bluebird field while checking that oil pressure. Have to be safe
under all
> happenings.
>
> Corky in beautiful Louisiana
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
Got the same thing on my Taylorcraft after a long storage and several guys
on the Taylorcraft group said to have someone lift the tail HIGH and pull
the prop through (funny how many Piet fans like Taylorcrafts too). It's
hard to lift it too high and amazing how much ground clearance you REALLY
have. Don't forget to make absolutely sure the mags are off and that will
prime the pump. I have a slight flooding problem in my hangar and HATE
having to tear the tail wheel apart to get any suspected water out of the
bearings so I started storing my plane with the tail wheel up on a stand. I
haven't had a single problem with oil pressure since I started doing that
(if the water gets up to the wheel bearings on the mains I REALLY get mad!).
It seems the 65 Cont really doesn't like being stored with the nose up.
Hank
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From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual
> time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the
dial but
> still no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the
> pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil
running into
> the jar:
> I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not
> been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some
sort of
> priming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in
the
> country?
> I sure need some input on this problem.
> Thanks
>
> Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Hank,
Thanks for the feedback. That makes this list worthwhile.
Funny, I keep 41CC on a tail stand so others in the hangar can walk without
stooping or bumping their heads. Tomorrow I'll try your remedy first before I
pull the screen and apply Walt's remedy.
Corky still in La
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
I had a conversation with Bud Smith recently. He's in Big Sandy, Texas and
has run an ad in the last three BPA Newsletters. He's found some sources of wire
wheels and he's making some hubs, using an abrasive water jet. That has less
adverse effect on 4130 than methods invvolving high temperatures. My
understanding is that he plans to make hubs available commercially.....Carl Vought
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Corky,
I used to have a J-3 with the 65 Cont. engine and had the same problem from
time to time. I found that by raising the tail before start the oil pump would
prime and VIOLA!
I just had an oil temp/pressure problem with my Bonanza. Five years and 364
hours ago I had one of those high-dollar blueprinted overhauls done by Ultimate
Engines of Mena, Arkansas. Turns out a wrist pin had worn down, scored a
cylinder and piston and the oil screen was full of metal. The oil screen collapsed
and the engine is cantaminated with metal (both aluminum and ferrous metal).
Guess what? Ultimate says the warranty is no good. They advertise a 2,000 hour
TBO and 520 hours unlimited warranty but they say it's only good for one
year. Moral of the story? Avoid Ultimate Engines like the plague.
Tom Travis
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 11/1/03 5:33:04 PM Central Standard Time,
hjarrett@hroads.net writes:
<< several guys on the Taylorcraft group said to have someone lift the tail
HIGH and pull the prop through several times >>
I've heard of this method before, here on the list.
I always pull 4 blades thru with the mags off, then 'Contact', and my A65
always takes at least 5 or 6 seconds of idling, before the gauge begins to read.
Is this normal ? It seams to me that the oil drains out of the pump
between engine runs, and takes time to pump back up. Every time I start the engine
and run around to the cockpit, I find myself thinking...c'm on...c'm on
oil...c'm on oil pressure...any time now...it just seems to take forever.
Chuck G.
hoping the front stays to the north of Wichita tomorrow.
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Isn't that another B Clinton sideline along with that Mena Medicine Importing
Co. from Columbia that the Clintons couldn't remember about. That is the
plague.
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
That whole Mena operation is strange.
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Chuck,
I let it idle about 30 sec without any indication and was hesitant to run it
any longer. Tomorrow I'll try the tail high pull the prop thru method. If no
result I'll pull the plug and screen, fill it with oil and try again
Corky
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Subject: | No oil pressure after starting a small Continental engine... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Corky,
The lack of oil pressure after starting is common with the small Continental
engines---especially when the engine has not been run for a while and the
ambient air temperature is high. Under these conditions the oil pump may
become dry and need priming. This can be done in two ways:
1. (already mentioned by several) With the propeller horizontal, lift the
tail
of your taildragger as high as you can and hold it there for at least
half a
minute. Lower the tail, start the engine and run at idle speed.. If no
oil
pressure is indicated within 30 seconds, stop the engine and go to
Method
#2 below.
2. Remove the oil temperature bulb from the oil screen and shoot clean
engine
oil into the oil screen with a squirt can. Be generous. Re-install the
tempera-
ture bulb and start the engine. I've been doing this for over 50 years
and it
has always worked for me.
The reason Method #1 works is that with a parked taildragger the oil screen
housing will hold a bit of residual oil. This oil will flow into the oil
screen and
hopefully prime the oil pump when the tail is lifted. A worn oil pump will
likely
need more prime than can be held in the oil screen housing and you will then
have to resort to Method #2.
Let us know if this works for you. Good luck.
Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net>
Just seems like home to me,
Ronnie Wagner
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From: <TomTravis@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
>
> That whole Mena operation is strange.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Corky,
Now that I hear it,,,the tail lift method should work fine. Guess the screen
cavity is so long that it keeps a bit of oil in it. guess the 65 comes with
a shot of prime oil supplied! Live and learn. Good idea!! Just because an
idea is 50 years old, doesn't mean we've heard of it.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Chuck,
>
> I let it idle about 30 sec without any indication and was hesitant to run
it
> any longer. Tomorrow I'll try the tail high pull the prop thru method. If
no
> result I'll pull the plug and screen, fill it with oil and try again
>
> Corky
>
>
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