---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/01/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:57 AM - Re: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 2. 01:31 PM - 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle) 3. 02:46 PM - Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com) 4. 02:54 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (w b evans) 5. 03:05 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 03:27 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (w b evans) 7. 03:32 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (hjarrett) 8. 03:50 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 04:10 PM - Wire wheels (Carbarvo@aol.com) 10. 06:22 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (TomTravis@aol.com) 11. 07:13 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Rcaprd@aol.com) 12. 07:14 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com) 13. 07:17 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (TomTravis@aol.com) 14. 07:21 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Isablcorky@aol.com) 15. 08:30 PM - No oil pressure after starting a small Continental engine... (Graham Hansen) 16. 09:17 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Ronnie Wagner) 17. 09:20 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (w b evans) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:25 AM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stewart Warner Wings Vintage Gauges --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" What are the prices on the guages? I couldn't find them anywhere on the website. Dennis ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:45 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of the Email Forums sponsored here. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:42 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the dial but still no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil running into the jar: I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some sort of priming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in the country? I sure need some input on this problem. Thanks Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:16 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Corky, I remember this happening when my 65 had been rebuilt and on the plane but sat with no real run time. Checked the book for the lube sequence. Pretty sure I took the cap off the strainer, and pumped oil in there. That drained oil right to the gears in the pump like Roux on deveined shrimp : ). The pressure came back , and all has been well since. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > > Pieters, > > My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual > time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the dial but > still no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the > pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil running into > the jar: > I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not > been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some sort of > priming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in the > country? > I sure need some input on this problem. > Thanks > > Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:30 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Thanks Walt, I'll go tomorrow and Roux that engine and if all goes well. Weather is suppose to be 85 tomorrow afternoon. Who knows what might happen as I taxi up and down Bluebird field while checking that oil pressure. Have to be safe under all happenings. Corky in beautiful Louisiana ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:28 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Corky, Keep an eye on that pressure, and if you should break ground, and the trees are getting close, only one thing to do to save life and limb.......Oh well. Today in NJ was great, in the mid 50's in the AM. Climbed out and went into a warm layer. (climbed like a rocket) Dead smooth, that I flew around in for 1/2 hour. One end of the valley was like going into a fridge, , turned around. Flew in the warm till ready to land. Broke down into the cold/ gusty bottom to land. ain't life grand!!! walt evans NX140DL PS. talked to my mentor today about my first annual inspection. Gave me some good pointers. Going to borrow his compression checker, that looks like a tire guage, with a stem that comes up. He said that it's one from the old radials. They had one in each cly. and when they cranked the engine, you could see each one pop up with the turn of the engine. cool! : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Thanks Walt, > > I'll go tomorrow and Roux that engine and if all goes well. Weather is > suppose to be 85 tomorrow afternoon. Who knows what might happen as I taxi up and > down Bluebird field while checking that oil pressure. Have to be safe under all > happenings. > > Corky in beautiful Louisiana > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:46 PM PST US From: "hjarrett" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" Got the same thing on my Taylorcraft after a long storage and several guys on the Taylorcraft group said to have someone lift the tail HIGH and pull the prop through (funny how many Piet fans like Taylorcrafts too). It's hard to lift it too high and amazing how much ground clearance you REALLY have. Don't forget to make absolutely sure the mags are off and that will prime the pump. I have a slight flooding problem in my hangar and HATE having to tear the tail wheel apart to get any suspected water out of the bearings so I started storing my plane with the tail wheel up on a stand. I haven't had a single problem with oil pressure since I started doing that (if the water gets up to the wheel bearings on the mains I REALLY get mad!). It seems the 65 Cont really doesn't like being stored with the nose up. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > > Pieters, > > My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual > time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the dial but > still no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the > pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil running into > the jar: > I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not > been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some sort of > priming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in the > country? > I sure need some input on this problem. > Thanks > > Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:27 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Hank, Thanks for the feedback. That makes this list worthwhile. Funny, I keep 41CC on a tail stand so others in the hangar can walk without stooping or bumping their heads. Tomorrow I'll try your remedy first before I pull the screen and apply Walt's remedy. Corky still in La ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:20 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com I had a conversation with Bud Smith recently. He's in Big Sandy, Texas and has run an ad in the last three BPA Newsletters. He's found some sources of wire wheels and he's making some hubs, using an abrasive water jet. That has less adverse effect on 4130 than methods invvolving high temperatures. My understanding is that he plans to make hubs available commercially.....Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:18 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com Corky, I used to have a J-3 with the 65 Cont. engine and had the same problem from time to time. I found that by raising the tail before start the oil pump would prime and VIOLA! I just had an oil temp/pressure problem with my Bonanza. Five years and 364 hours ago I had one of those high-dollar blueprinted overhauls done by Ultimate Engines of Mena, Arkansas. Turns out a wrist pin had worn down, scored a cylinder and piston and the oil screen was full of metal. The oil screen collapsed and the engine is cantaminated with metal (both aluminum and ferrous metal). Guess what? Ultimate says the warranty is no good. They advertise a 2,000 hour TBO and 520 hours unlimited warranty but they say it's only good for one year. Moral of the story? Avoid Ultimate Engines like the plague. Tom Travis ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:51 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/1/03 5:33:04 PM Central Standard Time, hjarrett@hroads.net writes: << several guys on the Taylorcraft group said to have someone lift the tail HIGH and pull the prop through several times >> I've heard of this method before, here on the list. I always pull 4 blades thru with the mags off, then 'Contact', and my A65 always takes at least 5 or 6 seconds of idling, before the gauge begins to read. Is this normal ? It seams to me that the oil drains out of the pump between engine runs, and takes time to pump back up. Every time I start the engine and run around to the cockpit, I find myself thinking...c'm on...c'm on oil...c'm on oil pressure...any time now...it just seems to take forever. Chuck G. hoping the front stays to the north of Wichita tomorrow. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:50 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Isn't that another B Clinton sideline along with that Mena Medicine Importing Co. from Columbia that the Clintons couldn't remember about. That is the plague. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:17 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com That whole Mena operation is strange. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:01 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Chuck, I let it idle about 30 sec without any indication and was hesitant to run it any longer. Tomorrow I'll try the tail high pull the prop thru method. If no result I'll pull the plug and screen, fill it with oil and try again Corky ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:55 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: No oil pressure after starting a small Continental engine... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" Corky, The lack of oil pressure after starting is common with the small Continental engines---especially when the engine has not been run for a while and the ambient air temperature is high. Under these conditions the oil pump may become dry and need priming. This can be done in two ways: 1. (already mentioned by several) With the propeller horizontal, lift the tail of your taildragger as high as you can and hold it there for at least half a minute. Lower the tail, start the engine and run at idle speed.. If no oil pressure is indicated within 30 seconds, stop the engine and go to Method #2 below. 2. Remove the oil temperature bulb from the oil screen and shoot clean engine oil into the oil screen with a squirt can. Be generous. Re-install the tempera- ture bulb and start the engine. I've been doing this for over 50 years and it has always worked for me. The reason Method #1 works is that with a parked taildragger the oil screen housing will hold a bit of residual oil. This oil will flow into the oil screen and hopefully prime the oil pump when the tail is lifted. A worn oil pump will likely need more prime than can be held in the oil screen housing and you will then have to resort to Method #2. Let us know if this works for you. Good luck. Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:36 PM PST US From: "Ronnie Wagner" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" Just seems like home to me, Ronnie Wagner ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com > > That whole Mena operation is strange. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:40 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Corky, Now that I hear it,,,the tail lift method should work fine. Guess the screen cavity is so long that it keeps a bit of oil in it. guess the 65 comes with a shot of prime oil supplied! Live and learn. Good idea!! Just because an idea is 50 years old, doesn't mean we've heard of it. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Chuck, > > I let it idle about 30 sec without any indication and was hesitant to run it > any longer. Tomorrow I'll try the tail high pull the prop thru method. If no > result I'll pull the plug and screen, fill it with oil and try again > > Corky > >