---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/03/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:07 AM - Re: Wire Wheel Hubs (Antonio A. Racioppi) 2. 03:55 AM - ribs, spars... (Drago Vejnovic) 3. 07:42 AM - my laminated tailspring cracked (Ken Chambers) 4. 09:29 AM - Flying Helmet (Sayre, William G) 5. 10:18 AM - vintage looking gauges (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 12:05 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Carbarvo@aol.com) 7. 12:13 PM - Re: my laminated tailspring cracked (Carbarvo@aol.com) 8. 01:09 PM - Re: Flying Helmet (Jim Markle) 9. 01:16 PM - Re: Cam clamp (At7000ft@aol.com) 10. 01:33 PM - Re: Flying Helmet (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 02:54 PM - first passenger yesterday (w b evans) 12. 07:34 PM - Re: ribs, spars... (Richard Navratil) 13. 08:18 PM - Re: ribs, spars... (Rcaprd@aol.com) 14. 08:48 PM - Re: first passenger yesterday (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:19 AM PST US From: "Antonio A. Racioppi" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Antonio A. Racioppi" Please add me to the list as well, thank you very much. chopo@adinet.com.uy Antonio Racioppi -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]En nombre de At7000ft@aol.com Enviado el: domingo, 02 de noviembre de 2003 17:05 Para: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Asunto: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Hubs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com Please add me to the list as well, thank you very much. Rick Holland at7000ft@aol.com Barry, I would like to be added to the list of those wanting the wire wheel plans. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribs, spars... From: Drago Vejnovic --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Drago Vejnovic Dear Pieters, I`m new at this list. I`m living in Bosnia(Europe) and I`m only one known builder in this country. Excuse me for my bad english, engish is not my native. Few months ago I recived my set of plans and start building my aircamper. I start colected materials. I find some woods, birch plywoods for ribs,marine grade mahagony/poplar plywood for fuselage, engine(Subaru EA 82, but I planing use EA81), weels(600X6) with brakes, instruments and some turnbucles.. Also I find Loctie HYSOL epoxy 3421 glue (very strong:23N/mm2). Expensive(cca 55$ per kilos(2-1/2 lb) but here avaliable. I recived full size rib patterns and I check spars distance . I`s corect 27 3/4". I made rib jig and few ribs without doubt in ribs size. After discussion at this list I check my ribs and find top line is corect, but bottom is`nt. 1/2 where is 5/8". I`m stoped making ribs. I`ll be corected my rib jig. I`m made fuselage jig( short fuse) and prepare and splice longerons. As hard find aircaft grade spruce I`m planing make I beam spars. I`ll use white or european ash for upper and lower spar caps(8X25mm(.3X1")) as for vertical web stiffener (8X13 mm(.3X1/2") and 8 mm marine grade plywood for web. I calculate 16-17kg(35-37lb) for all spars without fitings(steinless steel AISI 316). My friend (mechanic engineer) will be caculate stress analysis. Does anybody have coments? Thanks for help. Drago Vejnovic Vojvode Momcila 14 78000 Banja Luka Bosnia and Herzegovina vejnovic@inecco.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: my laminated tailspring cracked From: "Ken Chambers" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Chambers" Some of you might remember that I was experimenting with a laminated poplar tail spring. I finished it up last week (3 pieces of 3/4 x 2.5'' x 3' steamed, bent and glued with t-88) and bolted it to my work table Saturday. I'm 180 pounds and I jumped up and down on it for a good two or three minutes before I heard the crack. My testing method may have been more at fault than the tail spring itself. I bolted it so that 7 inches rested on the table. Naturally, it cracked right at the sharp edge of the table. When mounted, there would have been no sharp edge. It would have had 7 inches of flat mounting space and then a gentle slope up to the tail post. I didn't weigh it, but it was obviously quite light. And at 2.5' wide it should have handled the side loads nicely. If I get a chance, I'll make another and try to test it more accurately. Ken, killing time until I can move into my new house with a 2-car garage. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Helmet From: "Sayre, William G" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" My grandmother passed down a flying helmet that was given to her from her instructor in 1919. This helmet fits me better than any other I have tried on but I hate to use it because of its sentimental value. I have found that the major difference is that if you flatten it out on a table and look at the cutout for the face, the forehead cut is 90 degrees to the side cut where most modern helmets the angle is greater than 90 degrees (I guess so the helmet doesn't ride down as far on ones forehead). I came to learn that this old cut is apparently referred to as a "Scully" helmet and an outfit right up the street from the Brodhead airport was able to recreate one for me but that was years ago and the ravages of time have taken their toll and that company no longer exists. If, in shopping for helmets, someone comes across a source for these "Scully" helmets I'd sure appreciate learning where they could be obtained. Thanks, Bill Sayre ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:56 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: vintage looking gauges --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Ted writes- >Does anyone know where to find mechanical oil temp and pressure >gauges with that Vintage or Classic look? I find lots of beautiful gauges >that qualify but are electric. I know what you mean. I, too, started that search and found a few, but not as many as I'd like to make a set. My hope was that maybe one of the manufacturers could custom-make them. Take a look at http://www.classicinstruments.net and http://www.bugsandbuggies.com/vdo_main.asp Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:18 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com He was real interesting to talk to. My understanding is that he builds guitars and violins. Have I got that right? Also, he makes single-shot rifles. He sounds like my kinda guy!...Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:11 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my laminated tailspring cracked --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Don't mean to butt in, but by jumping up and down on the skid, you applied considerably more force than your body weight. It's hard for me to imagine applying forces of that magnitude in a real-life situation. Carl V. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:13 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Helmet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle How about one mile south of Arapaho at Belt Line and Central Expressway? Check out: http://www.afmo.com/product_page.asp?pid=353 Incredibly slow web site but this might be it..... or Armed Forces Merchandise Outlet 111 N. Central Expressway Richardson, TX 75080 (800)282-3327 (972)235-9781 Jim in Plano (not far from there, so would be glad to drop in and check something for you........) -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com BAYES_70 (2.3 points) BODY@null>, Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Helmet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, There is an A/N surplus type store in Dallas that sells leather flying helmets. It is located near Northcentral Exp and Arapaho. Would anyone know the phone or mailing address? Thanks Corky in La flying with a knit cap that blows off my head on take off. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:38 PM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cam clamp --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com Clif I was admiring the work you have done looking at your mykitplane.com images and was wondering if I can ask you a question. Your throttle quadrant is a real work of art, how did you create the swirl pattern on the main plate? Is the quadrant all aluminum? What is the top handle made of? Thank You Rick Holland > I've been asked about the cam clamp seen in some of my > pics. Here it is at the bottom of this page. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:38 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Helmet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Thanks Jim, I got that description from a WOMAN. It could be in Lake Cliff before it's over. I'll give them a call and if I need your help I'll sure ask you. Corky ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:24 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: first passenger yesterday --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Yesterday, one day after doing my annual inspection on NX140DL, I took my first passenger. Was supposed to be my Mentor, but we couldn't get together cause of the short days. Climbed a little slower, flew a little more stable. Guess I was really paranoid on taking a second. All went well. Any other tips from you old timers on things to expect with someone in the front??? walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:57 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ribs, spars... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Welcome to the list, This is the place for sharing ideas. My only suggestion is that ash might be a bit heavy for the spars. People have used lots of diffrent woods other than sitka. Do you have Douglas fir in your area? Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drago Vejnovic" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribs, spars... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Drago Vejnovic > > Dear Pieters, > > I`m new at this list. I`m living in Bosnia(Europe) and I`m only one known > builder in this country. Excuse me for my bad english, engish is not my > native. > Few months ago I recived my set of plans and start building my aircamper. > > I start colected materials. I find some woods, birch plywoods for > ribs,marine grade mahagony/poplar plywood for fuselage, engine(Subaru EA 82, > but I planing use EA81), weels(600X6) with brakes, instruments and some > turnbucles.. > Also I find Loctie HYSOL epoxy 3421 glue (very strong:23N/mm2). > Expensive(cca 55$ per kilos(2-1/2 lb) but here avaliable. > > I recived full size rib patterns and I check spars distance . I`s corect 27 > 3/4". I made rib jig and few ribs without doubt in ribs size. After > discussion at this list I check my ribs and find top line is corect, but > bottom is`nt. 1/2 where is 5/8". I`m stoped making ribs. I`ll be corected my > rib jig. > I`m made fuselage jig( short fuse) and prepare and splice longerons. > As hard find aircaft grade spruce I`m planing make I beam spars. I`ll use > white or european ash for upper and lower spar caps(8X25mm(.3X1")) as for > vertical web stiffener (8X13 mm(.3X1/2") and 8 mm marine grade plywood for > web. > I calculate 16-17kg(35-37lb) for all spars without fitings(steinless steel > AISI 316). > My friend (mechanic engineer) will be caculate stress analysis. > > Does anybody have coments? > Thanks for help. > > Drago Vejnovic > > Vojvode Momcila 14 > 78000 Banja Luka > Bosnia and Herzegovina > > vejnovic@inecco.net > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:34 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ribs, spars... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/3/03 5:55:41 AM Central Standard Time, vejnovic@inecco.net writes: << Dear Pieters, I`m new at this list. I`m living in Bosnia(Europe) and I`m only one known builder in this country. Excuse me for my bad english, engish is not my native. Few months ago I recived my set of plans and start building my aircamper. I start colected materials. I find some woods, birch plywoods for ribs,marine grade mahagony/poplar plywood for fuselage, engine(Subaru EA 82, but I planing use EA81), weels(600X6) with brakes, instruments and some turnbucles.. Also I find Loctie HYSOL epoxy 3421 glue (very strong:23N/mm2). Expensive(cca 55$ per kilos(2-1/2 lb) but here avaliable. I recived full size rib patterns and I check spars distance . I`s corect 27 3/4". I made rib jig and few ribs without doubt in ribs size. After discussion at this list I check my ribs and find top line is corect, but bottom is`nt. 1/2 where is 5/8". I`m stoped making ribs. I`ll be corected my rib jig. I`m made fuselage jig( short fuse) and prepare and splice longerons. As hard find aircaft grade spruce I`m planing make I beam spars. I`ll use white or european ash for upper and lower spar caps(8X25mm(.3X1")) as for vertical web stiffener (8X13 mm(.3X1/2") and 8 mm marine grade plywood for web. I calculate 16-17kg(35-37lb) for all spars without fitings(steinless steel AISI 316). My friend (mechanic engineer) will be caculate stress analysis. Does anybody have coments? Thanks for help. Drago Vejnovic Vojvode Momcila 14 78000 Banja Luka Bosnia and Herzegovina Drago, Welcome to the list !! It's great to see how the Pietenpol has become a world wide name. Don't worry about your english...you are understood. There has been much discussion about the construction of the ribs, and it is all readily available to you in the list archives. Just scroll down on any e-mail, and you will see the web address. As for the epoxy, most preferr T88. I use it exclusively. The Subaru engine should be a good choice for you. In your location, I would guess it would be more readily available to you, as opposed to the Continental A65, or the Corvair engine. John Dilatush, a list member, has been flying behind a Subaru for a long time, and I'm sure he could answer questions about this engine. Questions to you: Do you have the Aircraft Spruce Catalog ? Wicks Catalog ? These are a couple of the many sources of materials, as well as other infomation, unique to aircraft. Consturction methods are covered in publications such as AC 43.13-1A/2A Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices and Tony Bingelis Series of four books: 1- Sportplane Construction Techniques; 2- On Engines; 3- Firewall Forward; 4- The Sportplane Builder. and '32 Flying and Glider Magazines - available to you thru the EAA Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Pietenpols Forever !! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:43 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first passenger yesterday --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/3/03 4:55:22 PM Central Standard Time, wbeevans@verizon.net writes: << Yesterday, one day after doing my annual inspection on NX140DL, I took my first passenger. Was supposed to be my Mentor, but we couldn't get together cause of the short days. Climbed a little slower, flew a little more stable. Guess I was really paranoid on taking a second. All went well. Any other tips from you old timers on things to expect with someone in the front??? walt evans NX140DL >> Walt, Congrats on taking on a passenger !! It's a big responsability. I'm not very experienced with taking on a passenger (I've had two different passengers so far), but I've got quite a few people looking forward to a ride. The low climb rate reminds me of the ol' Model A days, last year. Just be sure to keep your airspeed up. I haven't yet installed the front stick and rudder pedals...I don't want to give 'em a chance to kill me !! It's quite a hoot, to hear their post flight report !! I've been doing extensive research on Pietenpol Accidents, at the NTSB web site, and will post them when I have completed. It will be of interest to most, as to the cause of the accidents. Most common seem to be fuel exhaustion, and the typical stall spin accident. Chuck G.