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1. 05:12 AM - Instruments for Sale (Lenleg@aol.com)
2. 05:30 AM - "sport" pilot classification (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:32 AM - Talkers and doers (Michael D Cuy)
4. 06:37 AM - one car garage (Michael D Cuy)
5. 06:38 AM - Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk (Barry Davis)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Insurance (John Dilatush)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: was insurance, now, flying with stones? (Sam Marinucci)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Talkers and doers (At7000ft@aol.com)
9. 07:27 AM - Re: Insurance (dan john)
10. 08:29 AM - Re: Accident reports (Hodgson, Mark O)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: one car garage (Carbarvo@aol.com)
12. 08:52 AM - Re: Accident reports (Carbarvo@aol.com)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: one car garage (w b evans)
14. 01:54 PM - Re: "sport" pilot classification (w b evans)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk (Jack Phillips)
16. 03:24 PM - Re: "sport" pilot classification (Jim Ash)
17. 03:37 PM - Re: Accident reports (Steve Eldredge)
18. 04:38 PM - Re: Tradition (Jim Malley)
19. 04:51 PM - EAA's "Experimenter" magazine (Doc Mosher)
20. 05:17 PM - Re: Insurance (Isablcorky@aol.com)
21. 05:57 PM - Re: Talkers and doers (Michael Conkling)
22. 06:51 PM - Re: Hello, and a few questions (Malcolm Morrison)
23. 07:01 PM - Re: Tradition (Gary Gower)
24. 07:52 PM - Re: Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk (Alex Sloan)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: was insurance, now, flying with stones? (Alex Sloan)
26. 08:49 PM - Thanks (Mike Whaley)
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Subject: | Instruments for Sale |
pietenpol-list@matronics.com, commander-list@matronics.com,
aerobatic-list@matronics.com, europa-list@matronics.com
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
I have the following for sale:
RC Allen Electric Attitude Indicator with 8 degree tilt, 14V, approx. 75hrs
RC Allen Electric Direction Gyro, 14V, 150 hrs,
Both instruments are in my RV-8A still flying. Been flying in my plane for 1
year.
Instruments retail for $1895 each. Make an offer off list. Please respond
direct to: lenleg@aol.com
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
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Subject: | "sport" pilot classification |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Does anybody know the status of the new pilot classification, I think it's called
" sport" pilot? I might be confusing it with the one they tried in the eighties,
but I think that was "recreational" pilot.
When will it happen and what are the rules and regs for getting one and using one.
A problem I found with the old recreational pilot rating was none of the flight
schools would offer it. And they'd make it so expensive you might as well go
private.
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Talkers and doers |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Larry---some people have valid excuses for not following thru and finishing
an airplane project and to me that's just fine. It's the other
flash-in-the-pan types who get so hyped up and hot about building then come
to find out it actually takes hard work, creative thinking, money, time,
and sacrifice, and then they bail out. Some talk, some do. I like those
who do. Like a t-shirt for a Hawaiian radio station I saw one time
read: "rock, be rocked, or step aside."
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Mike Whaley--- welcome to the list ! Both Steve Eldrege and myself built
our planes and only had one car garages at the time. My entire Piet
stored nicely in that one car garage with the wings and tail sections
off. (oh...that would be a three pce wing not the 29 foot long one piece
wing)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
I know this is off subject, but here goes anyway. Our Piet builders group is going
to Kitty Hawk for the 1st flight repeat. I could only order 6 tickets and
need one more for the 17th. Does anyone have an extra. I'll pay $100.
Barry Davis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
===================================
Dick,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am a EAA member and tried through them. Made
an application and never heard back. It may be because of my age, I am 76
yrs old. Don't think so though, because at one underwriter, I listed the
primary pilot as a friend who is a professional engineering test pilot with
many thousand hours in over 130 types. Still got turned down. "auto
engine".was the excuse again. ????
John
===================================
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> John
> Are you an EAA or AOPA member? It may make a difference.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush"
<dilatush@amigo.net>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
> > ===============================
> > Mike and other Pieters,
> >
> > I have tried several times to get insurance on my Piet and if not been
> > outright refused, ignored.
> >
> > The excuse is that since the plane is powered with an auto engine, the
> > companies don't want to touch it!
> >
> > Are there any owners out there with converted auto engines that have
been
> > able to get insurance? I would sure like to hear from you!
> >
> > John
> > ================================
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> > >
> > > carrying 1 mil $ liability only on my Air Camper costs about
$300/year
> > and
> > > I've switched to EAA's new carrier (since Avemco bailed
> > > out) http://www.falconinsurance.com
> > >
> > > Not sure what the additional hull insurance would be but I'd suspect
for
> > > about $800 or so you should be able to get liab. and hull to value at
> > > around $15,000.
> > >
> > > Mike C.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: was insurance, now, flying with stones? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem@ezol.com>
>Group,
>
>I just spent (for the second time in 16 months) the nicest weekend we've
>had in NE Ohio this Fall in the hospital being treated for a non-passing
>kidney stone.
Kip,
I went through this very thing about three years ago when I had
kidney stones. In January of 2000 I had a bout with kidney stones which were
passed okay at the time. In February of 2001 when it was time for to renew
my third class medical, I indicated on the paperwork that I had kidney
stones the year before. I was informed by the medical examiner that kidney
stones are a grounding condition. This I wasn't aware of... I had actually
been flying for over a year without a valid medical certificate. The Medical
Examiner agreed to hold the paperwork before sending it to the FAA in
Oklahoma City for ten days giving me enough time to get a letter from my
urologist stating that there were no retained stones and no expectation of
another episode. I got the letter to the doctor in time and all ended well.
But during the year I was flying after passing the stones, it would have
been pretty sticky if anything had happened in the way of an accident.
Incidently, kidney stones are extremely debilitating and I can
understand why they are considered a grounding condition. The onset is very
sudden and in my case I doubled over and could barely move. I shudder to
think what would happen if it occured in flight.
Sam Marinucci
working on wing struts
cut down from J3 struts
for NX115SM (Golden Oldie)
on a rainy Dover, DE. morning
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Talkers and doers |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
It is true that you see a lot of projects for sale in the "almost finished"
category. You wouldn't think that it would take 2, 3, or 4 years of work for
someone to discover that an aircraft is too much work. I think a lot of people
just like to build things, and then when the reality really hits them that they
are really going to have to fly this thing then they loose interest.
(Especially people who have not learned to fly prior to building).
Rick Holland
Larry---some people have valid excuses for not following thru and finishing
an airplane project and to me that's just fine. It's the other
flash-in-the-pan types who get so hyped up and hot about building then come
to find out it actually takes hard work, creative thinking, money, time,
and sacrifice, and then they bail out.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com>
Sounds like the same experience I`v had.Know one would
cover it until the restrictions are flown off and I
have at least 10 houres in it.I had Vi Kapler listed
as my pilot.Minnesota requires insurance on all
aircraft flown in Minnesota.I guess thay are forcing a
person to be a lier.This may be the downside of using
a Corvair engine. John P.
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Subject: | Re: Accident reports |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
Apologies to all about the messed up table I sent yesterday, but the
locations, dates and tail numbers are pretty clear in it anyway.
A note on not getting the NTSB string search feature to work: you have
to specify as much as you possibly can to keep the answer set as small
as possible, or the machine will grind away forever and maybe time-out
on you. Hence, instead of defaulting to "all," specify "airplane,"
"general aviation," "amateur built," etc., etc. for every category you
can. And you may have to hit it more than once (I got a "page not
found" error the first time). Probably helps to do it at a time when
not everyone is logged on to it, too--like early in the morning or late
at night.
Mark Hodgson
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Subject: | Re: one car garage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
I bought a pretty complete Piet project from a man in Chicago who built it in
a very small second story apartment. When we had successfully extracated it
from the apartment and onto my trailer he said "humf....this is the first time
I've seen this in the daylight"...Do not archive...Carl Vought
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Subject: | Re: Accident reports |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Thanks for your efforts, Mark. One thing puzzles me. There are two crashes
(both nonfatal, thank goodness) that don't show up. One is that of Wm. Wynne in
N1777W on 7/14/01 and the other is a crash involving major damage to N63SB,
(resulting from loss of power due to loss of oil) flown by Jimmy Davenport
sometime in 1993. I have a feeling that the reporting of these incidents may be
"spotty". What do you think? Carl Vought
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Subject: | Re: one car garage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Did mine in a 10x20ft basement complete with an angled "cellar" door.
That's half the fun, to figure how to fit all the stuff.
Jim Malley ( on this group) started his in a second story appartment in
somewhere like Jersey City. When he moved to larger quarters, ( as the
story goes in Kitplanes) They passed the wings etc. out the front window to
the sidewalk.
Where there is a will there IS a way.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one car garage
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Mike Whaley--- welcome to the list ! Both Steve Eldrege and myself
built
> our planes and only had one car garages at the time. My entire Piet
> stored nicely in that one car garage with the wings and tail sections
> off. (oh...that would be a three pce wing not the 29 foot long one piece
> wing)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: "sport" pilot classification |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Douwe,
Go here
http://www.sportpilot.org/
explains it all.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "sport" pilot classification
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Does anybody know the status of the new pilot classification, I think it's
called " sport" pilot? I might be confusing it with the one they tried in
the eighties, but I think that was "recreational" pilot.
>
> When will it happen and what are the rules and regs for getting one and
using one.
>
> A problem I found with the old recreational pilot rating was none of the
flight schools would offer it. And they'd make it so expensive you might as
well go private.
>
> Douwe
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net
>
>
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Subject: | Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Hi Barry,
I might be able to help you, but won't know until a little closer to the
time. I have three tickets, bought for myself, my girlfriend and her son.
We've split up, but there is some (slight) chance that we'll get back
together before Kittyhawk. If we don't, you're welcome to the ticket for
the $50 I think it cost me (1 week ticket).
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
I know this is off subject, but here goes anyway. Our Piet builders group is
going to Kitty Hawk for the 1st flight repeat. I could only order 6 tickets
and need one more for the 17th. Does anyone have an extra. I'll pay $100.
Barry Davis
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Subject: | Re: "sport" pilot classification |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Sport pilot is different.
It was signed by the FAA Adminsitrator, good ol' what'sername, at Oshkosh,
then passed to some other beurocratic group for final approval. From there
it has to go to the Federal Register where it will become official. It's
pretty close.
I don't know about the certification changes ( I honestly don't care), but
once certified, to operate under sport pilot you won't need a medical, onl
a driver's license. It will be restricted to a pilot and one passenger, VFR
day only. Gross will be limited to 1250lb.
In addition to the sport pilot changes, there are also changes to aircraft
certification which are supposed to allow some new planes to be
manufactured that won't cost you both your first-born and your retirement
account.
The EAA web site has a link to all this straight from the home page if you
want details.
Jim Ash
At 11/6/2003 08:34 AM -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
>Does anybody know the status of the new pilot classification, I think it's
>called " sport" pilot? I might be confusing it with the one they tried in
>the eighties, but I think that was "recreational" pilot.
>
>When will it happen and what are the rules and regs for getting one and
>using one.
>
>A problem I found with the old recreational pilot rating was none of the
>flight schools would offer it. And they'd make it so expensive you might
>as well go private.
>
>Douwe
>douweblumberg@earthlink.net
>
>
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Subject: | Accident reports |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Only one of my off field landings has been reported...
Steve e.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Accident reports
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 11/4/03 11:20:21 AM Central Standard Time,
Carbarvo@aol.com writes:
<< Chuck...You've hit a nerve with me. Your investigation of Pietenpol
accidents
is extremely valuable to all of us. I am particularly interested in
accidents
caused by the failure of wire wheels. Would you scribble my name down
on an
old lunch meat wrapper so that when you get through with your research
you
could let me know? I'd appreciate that very much...Carl Vought >>
Carl,
The FAA / NTSB require a report to be filed when extensive damage has
occured, or an injury has occured. The failure of a wire wheel / ground
loop,
probably wouldn't end up being reported. I'm sure there are plenty of
incidents,
even off field landings, that are not reported. However, I'll be sure
to send
you my report when I get it done. I've had to scroll through the NTSB
file,
month by month, because I couldn't get the site to bring anything up
when I
tried to use 'Pietenpol' as the key word. Very time consuming.
Chuck G.
=
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==
==
==
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Malley" <jgmalley@comcast.net>
There are a few Ford Escorts being used in Pietenpols. It began with the 1.9
liter engine installed by Ed Lubitz in the early 80's. His design did not
invert the engine; using a belt reduction gear and a lower bed mount placed
the thrust line at the same level as the Ford A. Its predecessor, the 1.6
Fiesta, has proven reliable as well. Prop tops out at about 2000 rpm and
fuel at about 2.75 gph. Scouts are more rare than Aircampers - guess most of
us like to share the fun.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Fisher" <mfisher@gci.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tradition
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
>
> Dear seat of the pants flying enthusiasts,
>
> A Ford powered Pietenpol is an American tradition - - a way for a scrappy
maverick to say: I am not dependent on Cessna/Raytheon/Lycoming/Continental.
I have a 1.9 liter engine from a 1993 Ford Escort. Everything about it
says: Pietenpol Scout. My plan is to invert the engine to get a low center
of gravity with high thrust line. This will require extensive modifications
to the lubrication, fuel, and cooling systems. A scavenge pump should not
be necessary. Constant flow, variable pressure, multi-port injection will
deliver the fuel. The propeller flange will be bolted to the crankshaft
flange - - no belts or gears. Extra pressure oil will be provided to the
thrust bearing.
>
> This installation should come in a bit lighter than the original Ford,
while providing perhaps 15% more thrust. Modern liquid cooled, fuel
injected engines can enable economy and range not attainable with air
cooling. Thirty horsepower applied to a long, slow turning Prop. should
cruise a Scout at seventy MPH. Fuel flow at this power setting will be less
than 2.2 GPH A light wooden propeller turning at about 2400 RPM will
minimize precessive loads on the crankshaft. Inverting an automobile engine
for aircraft use is nothing new. Steve Wittman did it years ago with a
Tailwind.
>
> Why am I doing this? In thirty five years of training pilots, I have
observed a severe deterioration in basic airmanship skills. The modern
curriculum devotes so much time to regulatory compliance and electronics
that precious little is left for stick and rudder. When experienced, role
model pilots are seen flying simple, basic airplanes with skill and gusto, a
valuable message is sent out: "I can do this too." is the thought which has
inspired many great careers.
>
> I am interested in a plans-built Pietenpol Scout, firewall back, as a test
bed for my engine. Some damage would be acceptable.
>
> Happy landings, Mike Fisher
> P. O. Box 347
> Talkeetna, Alaska 99676
> (907) 733-2356
> Alternate e-mail: michaeljpoisson@yahoo.com
>
>
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Subject: | EAA's "Experimenter" magazine |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
Oscar Zuniga -
Ssshhhh. EAA's "Experimenter" monthly magazine is slowly and stealthily
taken over by Piet people. Have you noticed that Cy Galley (who is the key
man at AirVenture for emergency repair of aircraft) has a monthly column
"Update from Headquarters, William Wynne has a monthly column "Getting
Started", and Bob Whittier ( a Piet afficianado for over 50 years) has one
of the most interesting monthly columns in any magazine, "Light Plane
Heritage", are all Piet people. Ben Morrow "Education Thru Airror" is
really a closet Piet type guy. Our local Chapter newsletter recently
stated "Among aviation writers, Bob Whittier received the Bax Seat Trophy
for his years of extremely well-done articles in a number of aviation
magazines. He has the ability to take information about airplanes and
write so the reader has a complete understanding of it. As you watch Bob
work, he climbs over and under the airplane, camera in hand, and makes a
few notes. Later, when you read his piece, you realize he is thinking all
the time about how he will present it."
Bob's 5-page article about Brodhead's sacred ground in the November
"Experimenter", chock full of photos and his pertinent comments take you
right to Brodhead! And, of course, he prints full credit to folks like
Mike Cuy, Larry Williams, and Ed Reber.
Altho "Experimenter" has a very strong flavor about Ultralights (SNL - "not
that there's anything wrong with that"), our Piet writers are slowly
putting Editor Mary Jones in the frog-in-the-heated water situation. Maybe
she won't recognize our subtle Pietenpol noise (pun intended) until
"Experimenter" is all grassroots with an occasional Ultralight article.
By the way, the tailwheel dolly (works great on a tailskid, too) shown by
Bob Whittier's photo does happen to be a wood disk. What we use here is
more mundane. We use a 2x6 plank maybe 8 inches long with three casters
under it, and build a little receptacle box on top to accept the tailwheel
or skid. We also have such dollys for the main wheels, so we can move the
airplanes sideways.
The Midwest Antique Aviation Club (MAAC) has an annual autumn fly-in at
Brodhead. It is so well attended that we have to restrict it to members
only, because we fill the airfield with parked airplanes and would have no
runway space left! The problem with Whittier's article is that now the
world will know what we had thought was our own secret Brodhead
experience. Kind of like AirVenture. The damned thing is just too successful!
This is November and its time for each of us to contribute to Matronics so
we can have this great medium for interchange. If everybody just kicked in
$10, it would be a big financial boost. If you can do $50 or so, that's
great, but a lot of $10 bills would be kind of Piet-like. Hearing from
Corky is worth $10.
Doc Mosher
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
AOPA Avemco refused me flatly which I hope I remember when renewal time comes
around. EAA uses Falcon and they took me without too much quarrel. $540 for 1
million liab plus not in motion hull coverage for $15000 value.
I asked Falcon several months ago if I could expect them to drop me when and
IF this Sport Pilot ever comes around. He said NO. All I would need is a
sign-off by my instructor pilot for tail wheel and bi annual. I'll believe all
of
this when it actually happens.
Try Falcon thru EAA, it's about our only chance.
Corky in La flying his creation like a bird until a front moved thru today.
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Subject: | Re: Talkers and doers |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
and some of us are just slow!! ;-)
and I live a mile south of Marion Unruh's old place -- he took only 29 years
to build on of his planes!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Talkers and doers
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Larry---some people have valid excuses for not following thru and
finishing
> an airplane project and to me that's just fine. It's the other
> flash-in-the-pan types who get so hyped up and hot about building then
come
> to find out it actually takes hard work, creative thinking, money, time,
> and sacrifice, and then they bail out. Some talk, some do. I like those
> who do. Like a t-shirt for a Hawaiian radio station I saw one time
> read: "rock, be rocked, or step aside."
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Hello, and a few questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Malcolm Morrison" <morrisons5@adelphia.net>
> Finally, has anyone devised a way to fold the wings on a regular basis for
> transport? Hangar space here is scarce, and it certainly ain't cheap!
>
Hi Mike
I have designed a folding wing for my aircamper. I have the fuselage and
tail just about done and I am just starting on the wing center section. The
center section is 4 feet wide and the lift strust are tilted out so they
attach directly to the wing folding brackets at the ends of the center rear
spar. The wings will fold back around the rear spar and rotate a little bit
so that the trailing edge is about 2 feet higher than the leading edge.
When folded it will be about 9.5 feet from leading edge to leading edge. I
am going to use a "v" strut setup with a pivot at the fuselage attach point.
The wing will be held inplace with captive pins at the front spar. This
will allow wings to fold/unfold quickly. Still working out the datails as I
go and I plan to load test the finished wing. I'll try to keep the group
updated on progress through the list server and my web site
http://users.adelphia.net/~morrisons5
Good luck with your project
Malcolm
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Mr Malley:
I have admired your plane since the first article... Do you still have
the Escort engine? How many hours to date?... I will like to read any
comments... Your plane (and several of this list) is a real tradition
in the Piet world.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Malley"
> <jgmalley@comcast.net>
>
> There are a few Ford Escorts being used in Pietenpols. It began with
> the 1.9
> liter engine installed by Ed Lubitz in the early 80's. His design did
> not
> invert the engine; using a belt reduction gear and a lower bed mount
> placed
> the thrust line at the same level as the Ford A. Its predecessor, the
> 1.6
> Fiesta, has proven reliable as well. Prop tops out at about 2000 rpm
> and
> fuel at about 2.75 gph. Scouts are more rare than Aircampers - guess
> most of
> us like to share the fun.
> Jim Malley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Fisher" <mfisher@gci.net>
> To: <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tradition
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher
> <mfisher@gci.net>
> >
> > Dear seat of the pants flying enthusiasts,
> >
> > A Ford powered Pietenpol is an American tradition - - a way for a
> scrappy
> maverick to say: I am not dependent on
> Cessna/Raytheon/Lycoming/Continental.
> I have a 1.9 liter engine from a 1993 Ford Escort. Everything about
> it
> says: Pietenpol Scout. My plan is to invert the engine to get a low
> center
> of gravity with high thrust line. This will require extensive
> modifications
> to the lubrication, fuel, and cooling systems. A scavenge pump
> should not
> be necessary. Constant flow, variable pressure, multi-port injection
> will
> deliver the fuel. The propeller flange will be bolted to the
> crankshaft
> flange - - no belts or gears. Extra pressure oil will be provided to
> the
> thrust bearing.
> >
> > This installation should come in a bit lighter than the original
> Ford,
> while providing perhaps 15% more thrust. Modern liquid cooled, fuel
> injected engines can enable economy and range not attainable with air
> cooling. Thirty horsepower applied to a long, slow turning Prop.
> should
> cruise a Scout at seventy MPH. Fuel flow at this power setting will
> be less
> than 2.2 GPH A light wooden propeller turning at about 2400 RPM will
> minimize precessive loads on the crankshaft. Inverting an automobile
> engine
> for aircraft use is nothing new. Steve Wittman did it years ago with
> a
> Tailwind.
> >
> > Why am I doing this? In thirty five years of training pilots, I
> have
> observed a severe deterioration in basic airmanship skills. The
> modern
> curriculum devotes so much time to regulatory compliance and
> electronics
> that precious little is left for stick and rudder. When experienced,
> role
> model pilots are seen flying simple, basic airplanes with skill and
> gusto, a
> valuable message is sent out: "I can do this too." is the thought
> which has
> inspired many great careers.
> >
> > I am interested in a plans-built Pietenpol Scout, firewall back, as
> a test
> bed for my engine. Some damage would be acceptable.
> >
> > Happy landings, Mike Fisher
> > P. O. Box 347
> > Talkeetna, Alaska 99676
> > (907) 733-2356
> > Alternate e-mail: michaeljpoisson@yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Barr D.
I do not have a ticket but I do have information of a Model A Ford engine
for sale ready to bolt on built by a FAA licensed mechanic. Any one
interested get in touch with me and I will give you his phone number.
Alex Sloan
256-764-2083 alexms1@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dec. 17th - Kitty Hawk
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>
> I know this is off subject, but here goes anyway. Our Piet builders group
is going to Kitty Hawk for the 1st flight repeat. I could only order 6
tickets and need one more for the 17th. Does anyone have an extra. I'll pay
$100.
> Barry Davis
>
>
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Subject: | Re: was insurance, now, flying with stones? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Sam,
I have a set of J-3 struts to use on my Pietenpol. How much is necessary to
cut off?
Alex Sloan alexms1@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem@ezol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: was insurance, now, flying with stones?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem@ezol.com>
>
>
> >Group,
> >
> >I just spent (for the second time in 16 months) the nicest weekend we've
> >had in NE Ohio this Fall in the hospital being treated for a non-passing
> >kidney stone.
>
>
> Kip,
> I went through this very thing about three years ago when I had
> kidney stones. In January of 2000 I had a bout with kidney stones which
were
> passed okay at the time. In February of 2001 when it was time for to renew
> my third class medical, I indicated on the paperwork that I had kidney
> stones the year before. I was informed by the medical examiner that kidney
> stones are a grounding condition. This I wasn't aware of... I had actually
> been flying for over a year without a valid medical certificate. The
Medical
> Examiner agreed to hold the paperwork before sending it to the FAA in
> Oklahoma City for ten days giving me enough time to get a letter from my
> urologist stating that there were no retained stones and no expectation of
> another episode. I got the letter to the doctor in time and all ended
well.
> But during the year I was flying after passing the stones, it would have
> been pretty sticky if anything had happened in the way of an accident.
> Incidently, kidney stones are extremely debilitating and I can
> understand why they are considered a grounding condition. The onset is
very
> sudden and in my case I doubled over and could barely move. I shudder to
> think what would happen if it occured in flight.
> Sam Marinucci
> working on wing struts
> cut down from J3 struts
> for NX115SM (Golden Oldie)
> on a rainy Dover, DE. morning
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
Thanks all for the warm welcome and sage advice. I will not freak out if we
end up with a 1-car garage, if we get a 2-car garage then I'll just have to
build two planes at once I suppose! :) I was helping with the Pitts 14 wing
prototype at work today, gluing on some wing pieces, and the T-88 just kept
making me dream of Air Campers. I will revisit the folding wing issue when I
get to that point, but it sounds like there are some possibilities in that
area at least if I decide that's necessary. (If other planes can do it, a
Piet should be able to do it with a little ingenuity!) I'm sure there's
several ways you could go with that.
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/users/merlin/
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