Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 11/08/03


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 03:15 PM - nothing today? (w b evans)
     2. 03:20 PM - Re: nothing today? (Jack Phillips)
     3. 03:29 PM - Re: nothing today? (w b evans)
     4. 03:36 PM - Re: nothing today? (Jack Phillips)
     5. 04:37 PM - Re: nothing today? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     6. 05:53 PM - Re: Wood (Graham Hansen)
     7. 06:00 PM - Re: Continental pakette engine (Gnwac@cs.com)
     8. 06:37 PM - Re: Continental pakette engine (Christian Bobka)
     9. 07:43 PM - Re: nothing today? (Richard Navratil)
    10. 07:51 PM - Re: Wood (dave rowe)
    11. 08:06 PM - Re: nothing today? (dave rowe)
    12. 08:07 PM - Re: nothing today? (dave rowe)
    13. 10:37 PM - Re:  (dave rowe)
    14. 11:21 PM - Re: nothing today? (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:15:15 PM PST US
    From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. anyone out there? walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 03:20:38 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Nope. Nobody here. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans Subject: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. anyone out there? walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 03:29:16 PM PST US
    From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Oh, Man. In the NE it's in the 30's today and the forecast calls for the 20's in the AM,,,Here we go again! Corky, you have any spare rooms? : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Nope. Nobody here. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:14 PM > To: piet discussion > Subject: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. > anyone out there? > walt evans > NX140DL > >


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    Time: 03:36:53 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Supposed to get cold here (North Carolina) tonight. I wish this cold front would just move on out, but it has gone stationary over the coast. I'm supposed to fly to Wilmington tomorrow (in a Cherokee, not anything fun) for a blind date with a lady I met online. Hope the WX will be flyable then - I hate driving. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Putting the finishing tapes on NX899JP's fuselage tonight. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Oh, Man. In the NE it's in the 30's today and the forecast calls for the 20's in the AM,,,Here we go again! Corky, you have any spare rooms? : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Nope. Nobody here. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:14 PM > To: piet discussion > Subject: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. > anyone out there? > walt evans > NX140DL > >


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    Time: 04:37:06 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Do not archive Isabelle wants to know if you desire a king, queen, double or single. May even have a canvas cot in the shop available. Yall come on down Corky and Isabelle in La going to the Opera tonight, La Boheme. That's pretty high La flying


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    Time: 05:53:55 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> Dave, I used Yellow Cedar for the wing trailing edges of my Pietenpol because of its high resistance to rotting in the presence of moisture. Since airplanes in general spend a lot of time just sitting, and the wing trailing edge of a taildragger will be a low point for moisture collection, I figured Yellow Cedar would be a good choice after being told it was the wood of choice for pilings immersed in water. After thirty-three years, those trailing edges are still good--although there is a bit of waviness evident when looking down the T.E. At the time I built my Pietenpol, there was some concern about getting a good glue joint with Y.C. Aerolite glue was used initially and when the wings were stripped for recover in 1985, some joints had indeed failed. These were re-glued with epoxy and they still seem to be sound. I would suggest making some test joints with T 88 if you use Y.C. Port Orford cedar was used for the wing spars of a batch of Bellanca Skyrocket bushplanes, built around 1945-46 by Northwest Industries in Edmonton, Alberta. It was beautiful stuff and apparently was nice to work with. If you can find some, it would be an excellent choice for Pietenpol construction. I used Douglas Fir and Western Hemlock for my laminated I-beam spars and Yellow Cedar "swallow tail" fillers at fitting points where bolts pass through the wood. If Port Orford Cedar had been available, I would have prefered it instead of fir (or even spruce, which I couldn't find at the time). Next Saturday (November 15) I hope to fly CF-AUN on the 33rd anniver- sary of its first flight. Cheers, Graham (Camrose, Alberta, Canada)


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    Time: 06:00:26 PM PST US
    From: Gnwac@cs.com
    Subject: Re: Continental pakette engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com what is a continental packett? Greg


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    Time: 06:37:32 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: Continental pakette engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> It was a GPU designed out of the 0-200 and O-300. They are wierd in that they have only one spark plug, the intake port is on top of the cylinder and are otherwise strange. Carb is mounted above the engine. The cranks can be used as esperimental O-200 cranks but the flange for the prop is thinner and needs stabilization such as a steel prop spacer to give it more support. I don't know that much about them other than what is on the CD. I apparently am the only person on the web that has any info at all so I just assume share it. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gnwac@cs.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental pakette engine > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com > > what is a continental packett? > Greg > >


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    Time: 07:43:10 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> Deer hunting opener in Minnesota today. I was out there at 6:30 am, 5 degrees. Yes, I got one. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > Oh, Man. In the NE it's in the 30's today and the forecast calls for the > 20's in the AM,,,Here we go again! > Corky, you have any spare rooms? : > ) > walt evans > NX140DL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > > > Nope. Nobody here. > > > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:14 PM > > To: piet discussion > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. > > anyone out there? > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:51:56 PM PST US
    From: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> Hellow out ther in cold-weather land. I won't tell you I had to keep the door in my shop propped open all day, sun was warming things up too much. It's colder now that it's nightfall, suck when it gets below 15 or so! My nest door neighbor, Ron MacDonald (really!!) has been working with cedar for several decades, and when I first started building canoes and kayaks, he mentioned that the acid in the cedars will attack most glue. He mentioned a huge Red and Yellow Cedar conference table that a competitor made, and one day after about 12 yrs of wonderful service, someone threw a binder on it and the whole thing collapsed!! I only use epoxy resin, or another great glue is a plastic resin urea formaldehyde glue, available from home hardware. It is mixed with water to whatever consistency is required, and dries fairly quickly. It sands well, and test joints left outside in the rain for months are still nice and strong. My oldest Kayak is approaching 10 yrs old, and I regularly poke and prod looking for any signs of weakening, to no avail. When we decided to sand off the fibreglass cloth and re-finish it this year, we found no sign of delamination, even where gouges had cut through the cloth and into the wood. Any bare spots had greyed slightly, but a light sanding cured that. That is another interesting note, the entire hull had been sanded down in stages to 220 grit, shich in theory is bad to do, but again, the cloth was very strongly bonded to the wood. I've gone totally Yellow cedar for the entire airframe, it is so economical, easy to work, and readily aval here. I have the dimensions required to go solid on the spars, but am still thinking of doing laminated spars with carbn fibre tape top and bottom, with all the mountains around here, I want all the spar strength I can get, downdrafts are a bitch. Would love to see some photos, and hope to be doing a cross-country trip for my commercial license, might have to drop by and take a look!! Thanks for the info, Dave Rowe Graham Hansen wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> > > Dave, > > I used Yellow Cedar for the wing trailing edges of my Pietenpol because > of its high resistance to rotting in the presence of moisture. Since > airplanes > in general spend a lot of time just sitting, and the wing trailing edge of a > taildragger will be a low point for moisture collection, I figured Yellow > Cedar would be a good choice after being told it was the wood of choice > for pilings immersed in water. > > After thirty-three years, those trailing edges are still good--although > there > is a bit of waviness evident when looking down the T.E. At the time I built > my Pietenpol, there was some concern about getting a good glue joint with > Y.C. Aerolite glue was used initially and when the wings were stripped for > recover in 1985, some joints had indeed failed. These were re-glued with > epoxy and they still seem to be sound. I would suggest making some test > joints with T 88 if you use Y.C. > > Port Orford cedar was used for the wing spars of a batch of Bellanca > Skyrocket bushplanes, built around 1945-46 by Northwest Industries in > Edmonton, Alberta. It was beautiful stuff and apparently was nice to work > with. If you can find some, it would be an excellent choice for Pietenpol > construction. > > I used Douglas Fir and Western Hemlock for my laminated I-beam spars > and Yellow Cedar "swallow tail" fillers at fitting points where bolts pass > through the wood. If Port Orford Cedar had been available, I would have > prefered it instead of fir (or even spruce, which I couldn't find at the > time). > > Next Saturday (November 15) I hope to fly CF-AUN on the 33rd anniver- > sary of its first flight. > > Cheers, > > Graham (Camrose, Alberta, Canada) >


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    Time: 08:06:46 PM PST US
    From: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> I was, but I went back out to the shop. w b evans wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. > anyone out there? > walt evans > NX140DL >


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    Time: 08:07:50 PM PST US
    From: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> What if she is an axe murderer? A convicted felon? A terrorist? Or even worse, she gets air sick??? Jack Phillips wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Supposed to get cold here (North Carolina) tonight. I wish this cold front > would just move on out, but it has gone stationary over the coast. I'm > supposed to fly to Wilmington tomorrow (in a Cherokee, not anything fun) for > a blind date with a lady I met online. Hope the WX will be flyable then - I > hate driving. > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > Putting the finishing tapes on NX899JP's fuselage tonight. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > Oh, Man. In the NE it's in the 30's today and the forecast calls for the > 20's in the AM,,,Here we go again! > Corky, you have any spare rooms? : > ) > walt evans > NX140DL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > > > Nope. Nobody here. > > > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:14 PM > > To: piet discussion > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. > > anyone out there? > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > >


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    Time: 10:37:01 PM PST US
    From: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> Just a thought, if you want the look of the ford, but are concerned about reliability, perhaps one of the Geo Metro conversions might be the ticket. The engines themselves are remarkably robust, and there are several manufacturers offering conversions, kits, and firewall fwd. If you're not too concerned about original look, I'd also suggest looking into a Subaru, again, very reliable, lots of data. Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > My project is in the final phase. I've always wanted to use a Ford, and even have one being worked on as I write. > > However, now that the "reality" is looking me in the face I am having second thoughts about the reliability factor. From what I've read, it would "appear" that a large majority of Ford flyers have experienced forced landings, which while usually fine out here in the midwest, isn't something I'd like to have to plan on. > > I'd like any feedback/opinions on this subject. And, if I did decide to go the Continental route, where is the best place to start looking, or are there shops out there selling yellowtagged units? > > Douwe > douweblumberg@earthlink.net >


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    Time: 11:21:22 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: nothing today?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> In 2001 I rented a room to this guy who later hurt his back and couldn't work. His family is a little! disfunctional. His mother had sold a property in New Zealand that had been left to him by his grandmother.That was some time ago. Now, with all this time on his hands, guess what starts to niggle away at his brain? He searches, on MY computer( all day and night, clickety clickety...) and contacts a real estate agent on the island where this property is. To make this story a little shorter, She sends him the money to go down there. His visa was 6 mo. He is now her husband, he's got this permanent smile on his face( she's also a belly dance instructor) and is a NZ citizen. A new movie-" Sleepless in Vancouver" Clif One good thing about a blind date. She can't tell how ugly you are. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave rowe" <rowed044@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> > > What if she is an axe murderer? A convicted felon? A terrorist? Or even > worse, she gets air sick??? > > Jack Phillips wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > > > Supposed to get cold here (North Carolina) tonight. I wish this cold front > > would just move on out, but it has gone stationary over the coast. I'm > > supposed to fly to Wilmington tomorrow (in a Cherokee, not anything fun) for > > a blind date with a lady I met online. Hope the WX will be flyable then - I > > hate driving. > > > > Jack Phillips > > Raleigh, NC > > > > Putting the finishing tapes on NX899JP's fuselage tonight. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:28 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > Oh, Man. In the NE it's in the 30's today and the forecast calls for the > > 20's in the AM,,,Here we go again! > > Corky, you have any spare rooms? : > > ) > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > Nope. Nobody here. > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of w b evans > > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:14 PM > > > To: piet discussion > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: nothing today? > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > > > Not a one? Hope I'm not bumped. > > > anyone out there? > > > walt evans > > > NX140DL > > > > > > > > > >




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