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1. 12:02 AM - Re: one car garage (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:56 AM - I'll tell the truth, Ted..... (Michael D Cuy)
3. 04:36 AM - (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Good Fuselage?? (Robert Haines)
5. 07:12 AM - GN-1 web site (Jim Vydra)
6. 08:19 AM - Rib profile question (Jack Textor)
7. 09:26 AM - Re: GN-1 web site (DJ Vegh)
8. 09:40 AM - Re: Rib profile question (Joe Krzes)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: GN-1 web site (Jim Vydra)
10. 09:56 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: Rib profile question (javier cruz)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: Rib profile question (Ed Grentzer)
13. 11:53 AM - pics (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Good Fuselage?? (At7000ft@aol.com)
15. 12:21 PM - Re: Rib profile question (At7000ft@aol.com)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Good Fuselage?? (John Ford)
17. 04:49 PM - Re: kindey stones & contact lenses (Kip & Beth Gardner)
18. 11:21 PM - need a NACA report (Christian Bobka)
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| Subject: | Re: one car garage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Yeah, Mike. Remember, it's on video!
Keep smilin! Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
<nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> Come on Mike, tell him the rest of the story. About how you weren't
married
> and the fuselage was in the dining room and the tail feathers stuck
through
> into the living room.
>
> I am married and so far everything is in a one car garage. I hang the
wings
> from the rafters to work on the fuselage. That will all come to an end
when
> the wings go on permanently.
>
> Ted
>
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| Subject: | I'll tell the truth, Ted..... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Come on Mike, tell him the rest of the story. About how you weren't married
>and the fuselage was in the dining room and the tail feathers stuck through
>into the living room.
>I am married and so far everything is in a one car garage. I hang the wings
>from the rafters to work on the fuselage. That will all come to an end when
>the wings go on permanently. Ted
Ted--- You are correct that I built the airplane while I took a NICE long
hiatus from being married. I was single when I built and flew the
Pietenpol but only did have a one car garage the whole time. During the
winter I did move the plane into the dining room and living room of the old
farmhouse I was in (ala Carl Loar near Toledo) and enjoyed it
immensely. Nothing like watching Jay Leno or the 11 pm news from the
cockpit of a Pietenpol while nibbling on pizza, wings, or such. Those
were some of the best years !!!
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Does anybody have weights for one metal lift strut? I'd like to know how much
of a weight penalty I am paying by using wooden lift struts.
douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Good Fuselage?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
Eric,
My first project, I had completed, I'll say that again, completed a set of
wings for a SuperAce, very similar to a Piet wing; built up ribs, wooden
spars. The ribs were the first thing that I had ever built and it dawned on
me that I did not FEEL comfortable about their construction. My skills were
moderate at the time and although they may have been OK, the finish was
rough, some pieces were slightly undersized, etc. Not too many months ago,
and some may remember me mentioning this, I spent about 30 minutes tearing
the wings apart. I kept the spars and plan on using them as stock for the
next project.
The conclusion that I came to was that I could not enjoy flying the plane if
I had a constant concern for the integrity of the aircraft. Immediately
after ripping the wings apart and as I stood there looking at the pile, I
knew I had done the right thing.
My 2-cents.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
The GN-1 web site is up and running.
www.gregagn-1.com
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| Subject: | Rib profile question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
I have built two jigs and two test ribs trying to come out with an airfoil
which is perfect. I have measured, re-measured, lofted and compared to full
size till I'm blue in the face. Maybe I'm anal, but I really want it to be
right-on. I still think it's off a little. Would there be a volunteer out
there that is sure their rib is perfect who could help. I traced my last
rib onto some paper and would like to send it to someone who would have a
rib to compare the tracing with. Any takers? Thanks in advance!
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 web site |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Excellent!!! I love it! is there a links section? I didn't see one.....
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Vydra
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 web site
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
The GN-1 web site is up and running.
www.gregagn-1.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rib profile question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Joe Krzes" <jkrzes@hotmail.com>
Jack,
I might get blasted but... relax. Remember that the rib design was hand
drawn to begin with. Don't make it harder than it needs to be. Make sure
the distance between spar CENTERS is correct and try to follow the
dimensions or pattern in the plans. if the wood is 1/32 or even 1/16 over
the line here or there, it's probably not a big deal. Just make sure they
are all consistent. When I built the jig, I didn't try to make un-natural
dips and bumps in the airfoil just so it would be on the line. Think about
the air moving over this form and keep things smooth. The exception being
the undercamber on the bottom. Just think, one of your jigs might have
performed better than the original drawing. I'd be surprised if anybodies
ribs would exactly fit another's jig. Get the relaxation method down pat
before attempting that those tail corners :)
Joe
>From: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: "Pietenpol List (E-mail)" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib profile question
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:13:51 -0600
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
><jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>
>I have built two jigs and two test ribs trying to come out with an airfoil
>which is perfect. I have measured, re-measured, lofted and compared to
>full
>size till I'm blue in the face. Maybe I'm anal, but I really want it to be
>right-on. I still think it's off a little. Would there be a volunteer out
>there that is sure their rib is perfect who could help. I traced my last
>rib onto some paper and would like to send it to someone who would have a
>rib to compare the tracing with. Any takers? Thanks in advance!
>Jack Textor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 web site |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
No links section that I know of.......some links just get you in trouble anyway.
DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ
Vegh"
Excellent!!! I love it! is there a links section? I didn't see one.....
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Vydra
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 web site
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra
The GN-1 web site is up and running.
www.gregagn-1.com
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib profile question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
Hi Jack
When i made my rib jig i had the same problem, on this
list some one help me with a cad drawing of the rib,
when i plotted this it have a little differences with
the original drawing, the hard part for draw is the
leading edge, but with the cad program smooth that
curves...
I made a cad drawing from the plans so i can check
both drawings and they where almost identical..
if you want the cad drawings i can e-mail you..
Javier Cruz
checking all parts assembly before varnish..and wings
at about 40%
Corvair engine running well
2650 rpm's static (7340 feets elevacion)
prop 64x32
about 320 lbs of trust
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| Subject: | Re: Rib profile question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Hi Jack ( don't say that at the airport LOL) If you did a good job of
lofting the rib jig from the plans, the curves are fair ( I drove nails into
each of the lofting points and bent a wooded batten around them and found
one or two of the top dimensions to be off slightly) and The spar socket
dimensions are correct then you've reached your perfection point. If there
are two Piet ribs out there that came out of two different builders jigs
that are "exactly" the same I would be surprized (I'll probably catch he--
for that statement). If you would like to send me your print to compare to
my ribs I would be glad to do that as I haven't started assembling my wings
yet. Ed G.
>From: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: "Pietenpol List (E-mail)" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib profile question
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:13:51 -0600
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
><jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>
>I have built two jigs and two test ribs trying to come out with an airfoil
>which is perfect. I have measured, re-measured, lofted and compared to
>full
>size till I'm blue in the face. Maybe I'm anal, but I really want it to be
>right-on. I still think it's off a little. Would there be a volunteer out
>there that is sure their rib is perfect who could help. I traced my last
>rib onto some paper and would like to send it to someone who would have a
>rib to compare the tracing with. Any takers? Thanks in advance!
>Jack Textor
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Hey Piet gang,
I found this page with pics from the Low-n-slow fly-in/fish fry on EAA Chap. 59
website. Three Piets in attendance back in Sept.
http://www.waco-tx-eaa.org/events/Low-N-Slow-2003.htm
Terry L. Bowden
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| Subject: | Re: Good Fuselage?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
I felt the same way after finishing my first half wings worth of ribs. So the little
woman and I decided that a completed half wing would look great hanging
from own living room vaulted ceiling. So I bought some poplar spars and boards
at Home Depot for ripping the rest of the wood I needed and built a prototype
wing. I learned a bunch building this wing, feel more confident about building
the "real" wings now, and the prototype looks great hanging in the living room.
Rick Holland
> My first project, I had completed, I'll say that again, completed a set of
> wings for a SuperAce, very similar to a Piet wing; built up ribs, wooden
> spars. The ribs were the first thing that I had ever built and it dawned on
> me that I did not FEEL comfortable about their construction. My skills were
> moderate at the time and although they may have been OK, the finish was
> rough, some pieces were slightly undersized, etc. Not too many months ago,
> and some may remember me mentioning this, I spent about 30 minutes tearing
> the wings apart. I kept the spars and plan on using them
> as stock for the
> next project.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib profile question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
I would like a copy of the rib cad drawing if you don't mind. Where do you live?
I am also a high altitude Pietenpol builder at around 6400 ft in Colorado.
Rick Holland
at7000ft@aol.com
> Hi Jack
> When i made my rib jig i had the same problem, on this
> list some one help me with a cad drawing of the rib,
> when i plotted this it have a little differences with
> the original drawing, the hard part for draw is the
> leading edge, but with the cad program smooth that
> curves...
> I made a cad drawing from the plans so i can check
> both drawings and they where almost identical..
>
> if you want the cad drawings i can e-mail you..
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| Subject: | Re: Good Fuselage?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Rick,
I've got a tall ceiling in the living room as well (23 feet to the
peak). What an incredibly excellent idea! I will feel much better
doing a practice wing before starting on one I have to trust my life to.
And I won't have to be wasting good wood learning to build one. My
living room will be exactly like the Smithsonian, but different! ;-).
Great idea...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> At7000ft@aol.com Friday, November 14, 2003 3:12:56 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
I felt the same way after finishing my first half wings worth of ribs.
So the little woman and I decided that a completed half wing would look
great hanging from own living room vaulted ceiling. So I bought some
poplar spars and boards at Home Depot for ripping the rest of the wood I
needed and built a prototype wing. I learned a bunch building this wing,
feel more confident about building the "real" wings now, and the
prototype looks great hanging in the living room.
Rick Holland
> My first project, I had completed, I'll say that again, completed a
set of
> wings for a SuperAce, very similar to a Piet wing; built up ribs,
wooden
> spars. The ribs were the first thing that I had ever built and it
dawned on
> me that I did not FEEL comfortable about their construction. My
skills were
> moderate at the time and although they may have been OK, the finish
was
> rough, some pieces were slightly undersized, etc. Not too many
months ago,
> and some may remember me mentioning this, I spent about 30 minutes
tearing
> the wings apart. I kept the spars and plan on using them
> as stock for the
> next project.
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| Subject: | Re: kindey stones & contact lenses |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 8:54 AM -0500 11/11/03, John Ford wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
>Check that. I meant Kip, not Mike in my last posting. I guess I was
>picturing a swashbuckling Kip with a patch over one eye. Maybe if he'd
>only switched to glasses, aaaarrrrrgh, sooner...
>
>john
Thanks John!
This is a belated thanks to all of you 'stoners' who passed on information
about kidney stones. I spent all day yesterday back at the hospital
getting 'finished up' with the current one. I'm now de-stoned & feel better
than I have in weeks.
Hopefully this will cease to be an issue for me for the forseeable future.
BTW, on the completely different subject of AOA indicators, one of the
local guys has a KitFox he recently finished & he has a homemade AOA on the
jury strut. It's an aluminum arrow that pivots on it's CG & has an angle
placard behind it. Sort of looks like an old Johnson Airspeed Indicator,
but measuring AOA instead.
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | need a NACA report |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Gentlemen,
I am trying to locate on the WWW a copy of the following NACA report:
Improved Baffle Designs for Air-Cooled Engine Cylinders
by Silverstein and Kinghorn
NACA WR-L-767 from August 1943
Any help would be appreciatied.
Chris Bobka
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