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1. 05:29 AM - Re: leather (Kip & Beth Gardner)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: GN-1 web site (Gnwac@cs.com)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Rib profile question (Gnwac@cs.com)
4. 05:59 AM - Re: flew up to "strutland" (Gnwac@cs.com)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: flew up to "strutland" (Gnwac@cs.com)
6. 07:16 AM - standby one....... (Michael D Cuy)
7. 08:31 AM - an answer for Chris Bobka (Michael D Cuy)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: standby one....... (Christian Bobka)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03 (Craig Lawler)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03 (Craig Lawler)
11. 08:42 AM - L for Langley Research Center (Michael D Cuy)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: an answer for Chris Bobka (Leo Gates)
13. 10:13 AM - LOC? - What's That? (Matt Dralle)
14. 10:16 AM - Re: standby one....... (Christian Bobka)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: an answer for Chris Bobka (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
16. 11:50 AM - New owner ZS-VJA (Norman Stapelberg)
17. 12:37 PM - correct plans? (Eric Williams)
18. 01:05 PM - Re: flew up to "strutland" (w b evans)
19. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03 (w b evans)
20. 01:55 PM - report direct (Michael D Cuy)
21. 06:59 PM - Re: report direct (Clif Dawson)
22. 07:16 PM - Fw: New System Three Website (Clif Dawson)
23. 07:35 PM - Re: New owner ZS-VJA (Clif Dawson)
24. 07:38 PM - Re: leather (Richard Navratil)
25. 09:07 PM - Piet Fuel tanks (Peter W Johnson)
26. 09:10 PM - Re: standby one....... (Christian Bobka)
27. 09:51 PM - Re: an answer for Chris Bobka (Christian Bobka)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 11:07 PM -0500 11/17/03, Richard Navratil wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
><horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
>I would like to challange the collective knowledge and limits of the
>group. My appologies in advance.
>After a great week of deer hunting I have 2 nice large buck hides. They
>will make nice trim and seats if I tan them properly.
>Does anyone have any experience with leather? I know some of the basics.
>So far I have covered them in salt and stretched them on a rack and
>started scraping them. Iknow the old indian method would be to pee on it
>for the salt, scrape and work in beef or pork fat.
>I've tried the sporting good and western stores but havent found any info
>on this.
>Dick N.
Dick,
It is hard, but not impossible, to tan your deer hides at home. I've tried
it twice & once I wound up with rawhide (suitable only for making a drum
head) & the other time a servicable, but not very pretty leather. It takes
a lot of time & attention. After salting & scraping (& you have to get ALL
the meat & fat off - I used an old hacksaw blade expoxied lenghthwise into
a slotted piece of wood), you have to soak it in a tanning solution for a
couple of weeks (shredded oak bark mulch 'tea' is a good 'traditional'
choice). Then you have to 'work' the leather a LOT over a wooden thing that
looks sort of like the narrow end of an ironing board & you have to do this
for quite a while every day as the hide dries.
Or you could do it the way the Sioux Indian women tanned buffalo hides for
their teepees & CHEW on the hide until it's tanned :). I'd say the
professionals do it.
There is a leather shop very near here that tans lots of hides for hunters
every Fall. I don't remeber the price, but the last time I had it done
(about 4 years ago) I think it ran about $35 per hide. You get your hides
tanned & returned, it's not a swap.
They will also do them in one of 3 colors: natural tan, brown or black. The
leather looks very nice - I plann on using some of my hides for the cockpit
coamings
My suggestion is take them off the stretchers, cover the flesh side with a
50-50 mix of salt & borax, roll them up, bag them & stick them in a
refrigerator until you can ship them off to be professionally tanned. I'll
find the address of the local shop if you want it. I used to use a shop in
FL, but the local folks turn out a nicer product & were cheaper.
Kip Gardner (OH deer season coming up - maybe I'll get lucky again this year)
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 web site |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com
In a message dated 11/14/03 10:12:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jvydra@sbcglobal.net writes:
> www.gregagn-1.com
Great site for GN 1 builders. Looks fantastic
Greg
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| Subject: | Re: Rib profile question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com
Thanks Javier for the drawings
Greg
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| Subject: | Re: flew up to "strutland" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com
Let us know how we can get a hold of a couple
Thanks
Greg
302 462 5251
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| Subject: | Re: flew up to "strutland" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com
By the way, is that Sussex airport in Delaware?
Greg
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| Subject: | standby one....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
>Mike Cuy:
>It is not there. It is not report 767 nor TN 767 but it appears that the WR
>means Wartime Report and I have no idea about the L.
>Any chance you can see if they have it where you work?
>Chirs
Chris-- you are correct. Upon further research here with my morning
coffee, I have learned that the WR does signify, like you say, a Wartime
Report.....and the L stands for Lewis Research Center (which is right
here--now called Glenn Research Center) and the 767 has been
cross-referenced to a new numbering system which is being looked up as I
type by one of our librarians. This report may very well be in the
basement of our library. I will report back to you when I find out more.
Mike
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| Subject: | an answer for Chris Bobka |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Chris-- I have the document you need and will be e-mailing it directly to
you in a .pdf format. Otherwise, the report may be found by following
this procedure:
go to: http://techlib.grc.nasa.gov/
Choose Reserach Databases
Choose NACA Digidoc System
Choose Wartime Reports (WR)
Scroll down to Doc# (ex: 767)
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: standby one....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Literally sitting on all that history....and information....
Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: standby one.......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
> >Mike Cuy:
> >It is not there. It is not report 767 nor TN 767 but it appears that the
WR
> >means Wartime Report and I have no idea about the L.
> >Any chance you can see if they have it where you work?
> >Chirs
>
>
> Chris-- you are correct. Upon further research here with my morning
> coffee, I have learned that the WR does signify, like you say, a Wartime
> Report.....and the L stands for Lewis Research Center (which is right
> here--now called Glenn Research Center) and the 767 has been
> cross-referenced to a new numbering system which is being looked up as I
> type by one of our librarians. This report may very well be in the
> basement of our library. I will report back to you when I find out
more.
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
Walt,
The noise problem with your mic's can be solved with a 35m film
container. Drill a small hole in the side and cut the top so it will
just slide over the mic. Leave the foam on inside the container when
you put it on.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
Walt,
The noise problem with your mic's can be solved with a 35m film
container. Drill a small hole in the side and cut the top so it will
just slide over the mic. Leave the foam on inside the container when
you put it on.
Craig
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| Subject: | L for Langley Research Center |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Only mis-information I gave you is that L in the report stands for Langely
Research Center........named after the guy who with $$$$$backing from the
Smithsonian flopped off his houseboat (Samuel Langely) in attempts at being
the first to fly. Course Gustav Whithead didn't have the presence of
mind have a photo taken of his famous flight......like those brothers from
Dayton did.
do not archive, but let the debate begin !
Mike C.
do not archive
do not archive, please.....
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| Subject: | Re: an answer for Chris Bobka |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
Mike,
I too am interested in this report. Trying your URL I get the msg.
"Connection refused by ...". As you appear to work for NASA, maybe that
is why you can access the site and I can not.
Do not archive.
Leo Gates
Michael D Cuy wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>Chris-- I have the document you need and will be e-mailing it directly to
>you in a .pdf format. Otherwise, the report may be found by following
>this procedure:
>
>go to: http://techlib.grc.nasa.gov/
>
>Choose Reserach Databases
>Choose NACA Digidoc System
>Choose Wartime Reports (WR)
>Scroll down to Doc# (ex: 767)
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | LOC? - What's That? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is a directory of everyone's name that made
a Contribution during this year's List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of
publicly thanking everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
support the continued operation and upgrade of these Email Lists. This
year's List of Contributors is just around the corner; I'll be posting the
it on or about December 1.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking, no doubt, to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: standby one....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Mike, thanks a lot. I got it ok and am printing it out now. A cylinder is
a cylinder...
Chris
do not arcive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: standby one.......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
> >Mike Cuy:
> >It is not there. It is not report 767 nor TN 767 but it appears that the
WR
> >means Wartime Report and I have no idea about the L.
> >Any chance you can see if they have it where you work?
> >Chirs
>
>
> Chris-- you are correct. Upon further research here with my morning
> coffee, I have learned that the WR does signify, like you say, a Wartime
> Report.....and the L stands for Lewis Research Center (which is right
> here--now called Glenn Research Center) and the 767 has been
> cross-referenced to a new numbering system which is being looked up as I
> type by one of our librarians. This report may very well be in the
> basement of our library. I will report back to you when I find out
more.
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: an answer for Chris Bobka |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Mike...
I couldn't get to the webpage you posted. could you please email me the report
directly? Sounds like an interesting study.
Thanks,
Terry B
In a message dated 11/18/2003 11:31:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
writes:
> http://techlib.grc.nasa.gov/
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | New owner ZS-VJA |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel@mweb.co.za>
Hi Everyone
Just became a proud owner of a pietenpol aircamper TTSN 114hrs model
1989 Lycoming 0-235 eng SMOH 10.25hrs Airframe SMOH 0.25 hrs
Regards
Norman Stapelberg
South Africa
ZS-VJA (114.25hrs)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
I'm just checking to see if I got a complete set of plans with the project I
acquired a couple weeks ago. I know I need to order the supplemental plans
for the long fuselage but I didn't want to also order the original plans
unless I need to. This is the list of sheets I have along with the date on
the title block:
#1 - Fuselage details, 1-19-33
#2 - Stabilizer and rudder details, 3-23-33
#3 - Split axle landing gear, 1-25-34
#4 - Dual control assembly, 2-26-34
#5 - Wing details, 3-3-34
#6 - Struts, tailskid, motor mount, 3-?-34
#7 - Cowling and 3-view of plane, 3-20-34
#8 - Model A conversion, (no date)
There is also an additional, undated sheet showing the steel tube fuselage.
Is this a complete set of the original plans? Also, in addition to the long
fuse plans I would assume I should order the Builder's Manual and the
3-piece wing plans that the Piet family website sells. Is the Manual
helpful and accurate?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: flew up to "strutland" |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Greg,
No , it's in northern NJ
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Gnwac@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flew up to "strutland"
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com
>
> By the way, is that Sussex airport in Delaware?
> Greg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Craig,
Great!!! I love it. In the past I've covered the mic with sponge, then the
clear "egg" that kids get prizes out a gum machine in, then cut the bulb
from a turky baster, and glued that to form a cup over your mouth. It
seemed to work pretty good. ( but got alot of wierd looks at fly-ins)
But I like this better. I'll try it.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lawler" <clawler@ptd.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/17/03
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
>
> Walt,
>
> The noise problem with your mic's can be solved with a 35m film
> container. Drill a small hole in the side and cut the top so it will
> just slide over the mic. Leave the foam on inside the container when
> you put it on.
>
> Craig
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Mike...
>I couldn't get to the webpage you posted. could you please email me the
>report directly? Sounds like an interesting study.
>Thanks,
>Terry B
Terry, Leo, others-- you bet. As long as you have adobe you will be able
to open the report. I'll forward the report to anyone (directly) who would
like it. It's really cool to see-----like in the old days when the whole
report was typed by a secretary on a typewriter with a ribbon and
all. When the phones were all black and had a rotary motion instead of
touch-tone. Before they had beepers, cell phones, palm pilots, cad/cam,
graphics packages, laser mouses, and pills for lowering your cholesterol
and raising your........well.....enough.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: report direct |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
I'd like that report too, Mike. All I got was a time out
gateway error, twice.
Thanks, Clif>
>
> Terry, Leo, others-- you bet. As long as you have adobe you will be able
> to open the report. I'll forward the report to anyone (directly) who
would
> like it. It's really cool to see-----like in the old days when the
whole
> report was typed by a secretary on a typewriter with a ribbon and
> all. When the phones were all black and had a rotary motion instead of
> touch-tone. Before they had beepers, cell phones, palm pilots, cad/cam,
> graphics packages, laser mouses, and pills for lowering your cholesterol
> and raising your........well.....enough.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Fw: New System Three Website |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Just in case anybody wants to access the engineering specs on T-88.
Or a dealer near at hand.
Clif
Subject: New System Three Website
Our new website is now live! In it you'll find many new features including a dealer
locator, members section, discount coupons, MSDS, product data sheets as
well as all our other published literature including catalog and price list.
Just click on the link below.
http://www.systemthree.com
You have received this email because you downloaded literature from the old SystemThree.com
website. This database will be destroyed after this transmission.
If you wish to receive further communication from System Three Resins, please
register as a member on the new site.
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| Subject: | Re: New owner ZS-VJA |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
So, do we get pictures???
Welcome to the list.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Norman Stapelberg"
<norshel@mweb.co.za>
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> Just became a proud owner of a pietenpol aircamper TTSN 114hrs model
> 1989 Lycoming 0-235 eng SMOH 10.25hrs Airframe SMOH 0.25 hrs
>
> Regards
>
>
> Norman Stapelberg
> South Africa
> ZS-VJA (114.25hrs)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks Kip and Del
I found a good book today at a local Indian trading post that goes through
all of the methods.
I'm going to ask my wife about that chewing thing, we'll see. They are
soaking in water with bleach for now.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leather
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> At 11:07 PM -0500 11/17/03, Richard Navratil wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
> ><horzpool@goldengate.net>
> >
> >I would like to challange the collective knowledge and limits of the
> >group. My appologies in advance.
> >After a great week of deer hunting I have 2 nice large buck hides. They
> >will make nice trim and seats if I tan them properly.
> >Does anyone have any experience with leather? I know some of the basics.
> >So far I have covered them in salt and stretched them on a rack and
> >started scraping them. Iknow the old indian method would be to pee on it
> >for the salt, scrape and work in beef or pork fat.
> >I've tried the sporting good and western stores but havent found any info
> >on this.
> >Dick N.
>
> Dick,
>
> It is hard, but not impossible, to tan your deer hides at home. I've tried
> it twice & once I wound up with rawhide (suitable only for making a drum
> head) & the other time a servicable, but not very pretty leather. It takes
> a lot of time & attention. After salting & scraping (& you have to get ALL
> the meat & fat off - I used an old hacksaw blade expoxied lenghthwise into
> a slotted piece of wood), you have to soak it in a tanning solution for a
> couple of weeks (shredded oak bark mulch 'tea' is a good 'traditional'
> choice). Then you have to 'work' the leather a LOT over a wooden thing
that
> looks sort of like the narrow end of an ironing board & you have to do
this
> for quite a while every day as the hide dries.
>
> Or you could do it the way the Sioux Indian women tanned buffalo hides for
> their teepees & CHEW on the hide until it's tanned :). I'd say the
> professionals do it.
>
> There is a leather shop very near here that tans lots of hides for hunters
> every Fall. I don't remeber the price, but the last time I had it done
> (about 4 years ago) I think it ran about $35 per hide. You get your hides
> tanned & returned, it's not a swap.
>
> They will also do them in one of 3 colors: natural tan, brown or black.
The
> leather looks very nice - I plann on using some of my hides for the
cockpit
> coamings
>
> My suggestion is take them off the stretchers, cover the flesh side with a
> 50-50 mix of salt & borax, roll them up, bag them & stick them in a
> refrigerator until you can ship them off to be professionally tanned. I'll
> find the address of the local shop if you want it. I used to use a shop in
> FL, but the local folks turn out a nicer product & were cheaper.
>
> Kip Gardner (OH deer season coming up - maybe I'll get lucky again this
year)
>
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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Hi Guys,
What guage aluninum are you using for the front mounted fuse fuel tank. I am
about ready to make mine up.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi, Australia
http://cpc-world.cable.nu
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Are we to argue over how to say Whithead?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: standby one.......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
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> >Mike Cuy:
> >It is not there. It is not report 767 nor TN 767 but it appears that the
WR
> >means Wartime Report and I have no idea about the L.
> >Any chance you can see if they have it where you work?
> >Chirs
>
>
> Chris-- you are correct. Upon further research here with my morning
> coffee, I have learned that the WR does signify, like you say, a Wartime
> Report.....and the L stands for Lewis Research Center (which is right
> here--now called Glenn Research Center) and the 767 has been
> cross-referenced to a new numbering system which is being looked up as I
> type by one of our librarians. This report may very well be in the
> basement of our library. I will report back to you when I find out
more.
>
> Mike
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Leo,
I tried to send a copy of the file obtatined from the piper library but it
seems that it exceeds the max message size for your email.
I think that the file mike has is smaller so we will try that.
Chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: an answer for Chris Bobka
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
>
> Mike,
>
> I too am interested in this report. Trying your URL I get the msg.
> "Connection refused by ...". As you appear to work for NASA, maybe that
> is why you can access the site and I can not.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Leo Gates
>
> Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
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> >
> >Chris-- I have the document you need and will be e-mailing it directly to
> >you in a .pdf format. Otherwise, the report may be found by following
> >this procedure:
> >
> >go to: http://techlib.grc.nasa.gov/
> >
> >Choose Reserach Databases
> >Choose NACA Digidoc System
> >Choose Wartime Reports (WR)
> >Scroll down to Doc# (ex: 767)
> >
> >Mike C.
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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