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1. 05:38 AM - Re: correct plans? (Kip & Beth Gardner)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: correct plans? (dave rowe)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Good Fuselage?? (dave rowe)
4. 08:48 AM - Eric kicking some spruce !!! (Michael D Cuy)
5. 11:39 AM - Re: Eric kicking some spruce !!! (Eric Williams)
6. 11:51 AM - opps....I meant Dave ! (Michael D Cuy)
7. 11:54 AM - Corky's photo (Doc Mosher)
8. 04:29 PM - Taper in tail section (Brants)
9. 04:38 PM - Re: opps....I meant Dave ! (dave rowe)
10. 04:40 PM - Re: report direct (dave rowe)
11. 07:03 PM - Re: Eric kicking some spruce !!! (Clif Dawson)
12. 07:29 PM - Re: Eric kicking some spruce !!! (John Ford)
13. 07:40 PM - Re: Piet Fuel tanks (Richard Navratil)
14. 08:36 PM - Bad vibes from Sirius (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
15. 09:05 PM - Re: Bad vibes from Sirius (Al Latham)
16. 09:32 PM - Re: Bad vibes from Sirius (Jim Markle)
17. 10:24 PM - Re: Bad vibes from Sirius (Christian Bobka)
18. 10:29 PM - Re: Piet Fuel tanks (Peter W Johnson)
19. 11:05 PM - Floats ? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: correct plans? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 3:37 PM -0500 11/18/03, Eric Williams wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
>
>I'm just checking to see if I got a complete set of plans with the project I
>acquired a couple weeks ago. I know I need to order the supplemental plans
>for the long fuselage but I didn't want to also order the original plans
>unless I need to. This is the list of sheets I have along with the date on
>the title block:
>
>#1 - Fuselage details, 1-19-33
>#2 - Stabilizer and rudder details, 3-23-33
>#3 - Split axle landing gear, 1-25-34
>#4 - Dual control assembly, 2-26-34
>#5 - Wing details, 3-3-34
>#6 - Struts, tailskid, motor mount, 3-?-34
>#7 - Cowling and 3-view of plane, 3-20-34
>#8 - Model A conversion, (no date)
>
>There is also an additional, undated sheet showing the steel tube fuselage.
>
>Is this a complete set of the original plans? Also, in addition to the long
>fuse plans I would assume I should order the Builder's Manual and the
>3-piece wing plans that the Piet family website sells. Is the Manual
>helpful and accurate?
>
>Thanks.
Eric,
I bought the complete set of plans plus manual during a visit to Andrew
Pietenpol & what you have sounds correct minus the long fuse plans, but
I'll check when I have time to go to the shop & look.
I have their 3-pc. wing plan as well (Vi Kaplar's drawings), but have
decided to use the one available from K.A. Price (available via her wab
site) since it only has a 1/8" gap between the wing & center section that
won't need to be covered over with aluminum. It is also supposed to be much
easier to take the wings off for storage. On the down side, I've been told
it is more complcated to build than the original 3-pc. design.
The Pietenpol's manual is basically a compilation of the original Flying &
Glider Manual articles plus some extra stuff about doing a Corvair
conversion and some additional comments on the plane by BHP's son. It's not
that expensive, but I found it mostly interesting reading rather than
instructive as a construction manual.
Hope this helps,
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: correct plans? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Looks correct to me.The three piece wing plans come in a single sheet
with a sheet of photographs. Haven't purchased the builder's manual, I
have found that all of the info and pictures aval here, and at
mykitplanes.com have been more than enough, but if you have any doubts
certainly get the notes, it's a small investment.
Kip & Beth Gardner wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> At 3:37 PM -0500 11/18/03, Eric Williams wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
> >
> >I'm just checking to see if I got a complete set of plans with the project I
> >acquired a couple weeks ago. I know I need to order the supplemental plans
> >for the long fuselage but I didn't want to also order the original plans
> >unless I need to. This is the list of sheets I have along with the date on
> >the title block:
> >
> >#1 - Fuselage details, 1-19-33
> >#2 - Stabilizer and rudder details, 3-23-33
> >#3 - Split axle landing gear, 1-25-34
> >#4 - Dual control assembly, 2-26-34
> >#5 - Wing details, 3-3-34
> >#6 - Struts, tailskid, motor mount, 3-?-34
> >#7 - Cowling and 3-view of plane, 3-20-34
> >#8 - Model A conversion, (no date)
> >
> >There is also an additional, undated sheet showing the steel tube fuselage.
> >
> >Is this a complete set of the original plans? Also, in addition to the long
> >fuse plans I would assume I should order the Builder's Manual and the
> >3-piece wing plans that the Piet family website sells. Is the Manual
> >helpful and accurate?
> >
> >Thanks.
>
> Eric,
>
> I bought the complete set of plans plus manual during a visit to Andrew
> Pietenpol & what you have sounds correct minus the long fuse plans, but
> I'll check when I have time to go to the shop & look.
>
> I have their 3-pc. wing plan as well (Vi Kaplar's drawings), but have
> decided to use the one available from K.A. Price (available via her wab
> site) since it only has a 1/8" gap between the wing & center section that
> won't need to be covered over with aluminum. It is also supposed to be much
> easier to take the wings off for storage. On the down side, I've been told
> it is more complcated to build than the original 3-pc. design.
>
> The Pietenpol's manual is basically a compilation of the original Flying &
> Glider Manual articles plus some extra stuff about doing a Corvair
> conversion and some additional comments on the plane by BHP's son. It's not
> that expensive, but I found it mostly interesting reading rather than
> instructive as a construction manual.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> North Canton, OH
>
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| Subject: | Re: Good Fuselage?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
In a week of evenings and a couple of weekends, I had a completed
fuselage frame in my shop. For the peace of mind it's definately worth
it to start fresh. The old one can certainly be used as a reference,
and as a mock-up for seating, control placement, running wiring, you
name it. Check out Cliff Dawson's mock-up at mykitplanes.com. A great
way to make sure everything fits!!
Eric Williams wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
>
> I want to say that I really appreciate all the opinions and suggestions you
> guys have given on this topic. Honestly there have been some really good,
> thoughtful ideas here. I think I'm going to print them all out and make
> them a permanent part of my official builders log. After considering what
> you all have said, and listening to my own gut feelings, I think I will
> probably end up building a new fuselage. I think laminating strips to the
> longerons to bring up the dimension would work if it could be done in one
> long continuous piece. The problem there is that many of the gussets and
> cross braces would be in the way and would have to be removed to allow for
> one nice long strip to be added. At that point we're into disassembling
> this fuse and I see that getting messy.
>
> Also, this one is the short version and was built following the original
> Flying and Glider manual plans which gives it some different dimensions and
> curvatures. I would prefer to build the long version and for it to follow
> exactly the more up to date plans so I'm not trying to mix two sets of
> dimensions together at some point.
>
> Lastly, this is one of those big "lifetime" projects that I really want to
> feel good about and have confidence in. I would hate to go through the
> whole building process and be afraid to fly it. As soon as I started
> describing to my wife how I might be able to salvage it with all these extra
> pieces glued in here and there, she reminded me that I've been down this
> road before with other projects and I always end up saying "I wish I had
> just done it the right way from the beginning".
>
> But still, even with all that said... there's a completed fuselage in my
> garage... and man it bugs me not to use it. I guess I'd better get busy and
> build the next one so I can quit whining about it.
>
> Again, thanks for the help guys.
>
> Eric
>
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> http://shopping.msn.com
>
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| Subject: | Eric kicking some spruce !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Eric Williams wrote.........In a week of evenings and a couple of
>weekends, I had a completed
>fuselage frame in my shop. For the peace of mind it's definately worth
>it to start fresh.
Eric ! Way to go. It's great hearing this and shows hopeful builders that
framing up a Piet fuselage is not that big of a time-consuming
thing. Progress CAN be made quickly.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Eric kicking some spruce !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
Well Mike, I sure wish that were the case. Unfortunately you must have read
that message wrong - it was Dave Rowe who wrote about building his fuse
frame in a week. He wrote that in response to my earlier message. Man I
really hate to disappoint you after giving me those accolades so I guess I
had better get busy to keep up with Dave.
My wife told me she would support my airplane building as long as I finish
the half-completed boat that I'm currently building in the garage now. I'm
thinking maybe I can sneak out there in the middle of the night and cut a
little spruce though. I can see it now - she'll catch me coming in the
house late and say "Is that sawdust on your collar!?"
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eric kicking some spruce !!!
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:48:08 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> >Eric Williams wrote.........In a week of evenings and a couple of
> >weekends, I had a completed
> >fuselage frame in my shop. For the peace of mind it's definately worth
> >it to start fresh.
>
>
>Eric ! Way to go. It's great hearing this and shows hopeful builders that
>framing up a Piet fuselage is not that big of a time-consuming
>thing. Progress CAN be made quickly.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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range of helpful holiday info here.
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| Subject: | opps....I meant Dave ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Dave, thanks for building that fuselage frame so expeditiously----it will
put some pressure on Eric to do the same. (kidding !) No pressure
Eric. What's a little sawdust on your collar at night. Just wipe any
lipstick off good.
Mike C.
do not archive
PS-- way to go DAVE R. !
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
Listers -
Sport Aviation Association's Winter 2003 "To Fly" magazine has some things
of interest, including a couple of photos of Corky and his magnificent
flying machine, NX41CC. Although Corky's letter is signed "Claude M.
Corbett," I saw through that subterfuge right away. There is also an
article "Finishing your fabric with latex paint?" by the "SAA Editorial
Staff" which really touts Kirk Huizenga's study and report. Good job, Kirk.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
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| Subject: | Taper in tail section |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brants" <tmbrant@usfamily.net>
I'm starting to build the tail section very soon and from studying the plans it
looks like there's a taper in the thickness of the tail sections. On the tail
drawing, the leading edge (inside) thickness is 1/2" where the main beam is
5/8". So do the two end members get tapered first and then cut with the "relief"?
Also, I'm assuming the end members are leading edge section. Would I be
correct in that assumption?
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park, MN
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| Subject: | Re: opps....I meant Dave ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
I must say my wife and family gave a lot of support. My wife is
currently attending university two nights a week, and Saturdays as well,
so I was able to put a lot of hours into this. Preplanning, and
pre-cutting a "kit" make all the difference as well. My wife was very
surprised to discover that "we" were building a second airplane, but she
didn't kill me, so all is well that ends well. We also had torrential
rain and wind, so nt much else to do! Weather here in Victoria BC was
great today however, got an hour up in a club 172, with 40 degrees of
flaps and a 25 knot headwind, I made my coolest short-field landing
ever. Tower asked if I could stop short of Runway 20, leaving 4000'. I
replied affirmative, touched down on the lip of the runway, and rolled
about 100'. Had to taxi for a bit to hit the first intersection, would
have been really cool in a Piet!!
Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Dave, thanks for building that fuselage frame so expeditiously----it will
> put some pressure on Eric to do the same. (kidding !) No pressure
> Eric. What's a little sawdust on your collar at night. Just wipe any
> lipstick off good.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
> PS-- way to go DAVE R. !
>
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| Subject: | Re: report direct |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Me too please, Dave
Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> >Mike...
> >I couldn't get to the webpage you posted. could you please email me the
> >report directly? Sounds like an interesting study.
> >Thanks,
> >Terry B
>
> Terry, Leo, others-- you bet. As long as you have adobe you will be able
> to open the report. I'll forward the report to anyone (directly) who would
> like it. It's really cool to see-----like in the old days when the whole
> report was typed by a secretary on a typewriter with a ribbon and
> all. When the phones were all black and had a rotary motion instead of
> touch-tone. Before they had beepers, cell phones, palm pilots, cad/cam,
> graphics packages, laser mouses, and pills for lowering your cholesterol
> and raising your........well.....enough.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Eric kicking some spruce !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Do I see a Pietenpol/Grumman Duck seaplane shaping up here????
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams"
<ewilliams805@msn.com>
> >
> My wife told me she would support my airplane building as long as I finish
> the half-completed boat that I'm currently building in the garage now.
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| Subject: | Re: Eric kicking some spruce !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I've been secretly harbouring (pun intended) thoughts of installing
float attach-points when I build. I would hate to think someone might
beat me to something as obscure and off-the-wall as that...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> cdawson5854@shaw.ca Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:03:29 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson
<cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Do I see a Pietenpol/Grumman Duck seaplane shaping up here????
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams"
<ewilliams805@msn.com>
> >
> My wife told me she would support my airplane building as long as I
finish
> the half-completed boat that I'm currently building in the garage
now.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Fuel tanks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I used 5052H-32 .040. It worked very well.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuel tanks
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> What guage aluninum are you using for the front mounted fuse fuel tank. I
am
> about ready to make mine up.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi, Australia
> http://cpc-world.cable.nu
>
>
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| Subject: | Bad vibes from Sirius |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Dear Pieters,
Has anyone had any dealings with Sirius Aviation in the DFW area? My
father-in-law is having a bad experience with them. He ordered a large bill of
materials from them (various sizes of 4130 tube, 4130 sheet, and aluminum sheet)
about a month ago for his Hatz project. They told him large orders might take
up to a week for processing. He wrote them a check for over $1600. At the end
of the first week, he tried calling and left a message. They did not call
back so he called a couple more times the following week and made contact one
afternoon. They told him some of the sheet materials were at another facility
getting sheared. The next day, he found out his check had already cleared the
bank. After another week, he left another message and got no call back.
Finally this week (after getting quite frustrated with no communications from
them), he tried their fax number and someone answered. They still claimed the
sheet material was at the vendor getting sheared. Tomorrow will be ONE MONTH
since the order was placed. It is obvious that they waited until his check
cleared before they even started to fill the order. And they have not initiated
any communication at all to say the order was partially filled or some on
back-order. Nothing. in fact, they seem to be avoiding his phone calls. He has
now asked them to cancel the order and send his money back. He asked me to
check with the Piet group and see if anyone else has had similar dealings with
them. Or worse, or better? He chose Sirius because of our proximity to their
facility so we could go pick up the order and save shipping. Plus, their prices
were good when compared with Univair, Wicks, AS&S....the only cheaper was
Dillsburg. Whenever and IF ever he gets his $$ back....Dillsburg will get his
business from now on.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: Bad vibes from Sirius |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
Terry,
I was fortunate enough to hear about Sirius prior to me donating any money
to Ted's cause.
There have been several, probably 6 or so from another list that I am on
that have felt the
"Sirius Sting". As I recall only one got any satifaction at all and it took
the better part of 6
months or so, claimed the check never came then it turned up cashed and the
story goes
on and on. I can't belive you got anyone to answer the phone from the
stories that I've been
told.
It's too bad as he could have a hell of a business if he'd get things right.
You just can't beat
Dillsburg for metal though.
Good Luck,
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bad vibes from Sirius
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> Dear Pieters,
> Has anyone had any dealings with Sirius Aviation in the DFW area? My
> father-in-law is having a bad experience with them. He ordered a large
bill of
> materials from them (various sizes of 4130 tube, 4130 sheet, and aluminum
sheet)
> about a month ago for his Hatz project. They told him large orders might
take
> up to a week for processing. He wrote them a check for over $1600. At
the end
> of the first week, he tried calling and left a message. They did not call
> back so he called a couple more times the following week and made contact
one
> afternoon. They told him some of the sheet materials were at another
facility
> getting sheared. The next day, he found out his check had already cleared
the
> bank. After another week, he left another message and got no call back.
> Finally this week (after getting quite frustrated with no communications
from
> them), he tried their fax number and someone answered. They still claimed
the
> sheet material was at the vendor getting sheared. Tomorrow will be ONE
MONTH
> since the order was placed. It is obvious that they waited until his
check
> cleared before they even started to fill the order. And they have not
initiated
> any communication at all to say the order was partially filled or some on
> back-order. Nothing. in fact, they seem to be avoiding his phone calls.
He has
> now asked them to cancel the order and send his money back. He asked me
to
> check with the Piet group and see if anyone else has had similar dealings
with
> them. Or worse, or better? He chose Sirius because of our proximity to
their
> facility so we could go pick up the order and save shipping. Plus, their
prices
> were good when compared with Univair, Wicks, AS&S....the only cheaper was
> Dillsburg. Whenever and IF ever he gets his $$ back....Dillsburg will get
his
> business from now on.
> Terry Bowden
> ph (254) 715-4773
> fax (254) 853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: Bad vibes from Sirius |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Egad, I wish I had known your father-in-law was about to do this..... I
posted a note to the list (or maybe offline to someone in the Piet group)
some time ago regarding Sirius. And I won't spend any more time on this
issue on this forum than to say that I hope the money is returned. Ok, I
will say a bit more.....your father-in-law ain't alone.....
Ok, now for "local" pickup and one of the best suppliers you'll find
ANYWHERE, drive a little farther north/east to Alpha Aviation in Greenville.
(Actually, don't drive there......drive to Mesquite, which you were going to
do anyway, and I'll pick you up and drive you to Greenville myself.....)
Now that I think about it, we can stop a little SW of Greenville (in Caddo
Mills) and we'll take a sailplane up and go find some thermals! Now THAT
would be fun!
Anyway, what he doesn't have he'll get for you and he's simply a pleasure to
deal with. Everything I've bought there has been priced very close to AS&S
(I've only comparison price checked a couple of items) but I can drive over
and pick up what I need. Good service is never free and I would gladly pay
a bit more just for the experience. Good service, local pickup and a fair
price is a combination that's just to rare these days.....
I was over there recently getting some ply (which I cutup into 9" strips and
started attaching to the leading edge just this evening.....) and mentioned
that I needed some 1.5" 4130 for my straight axle. He dug around, found
none and said he would order some. I called back a week or so later, it was
in and I went out and picked it up. No advance payment, no hassle, just go
get it.
OK, I'll get off my soap box....good customer service is one of my pet
peeves.
Again, good luck and let me know if you get up this way.
Jim in Plano
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bad vibes from Sirius
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> Dear Pieters,
> Has anyone had any dealings with Sirius Aviation in the DFW area? My
> father-in-law is having a bad experience with them. He ordered a large
bill of
> materials from them (various sizes of 4130 tube, 4130 sheet, and aluminum
sheet)
> about a month ago for his Hatz project. They told him large orders might
take
> up to a week for processing. He wrote them a check for over $1600. At
the end
> of the first week, he tried calling and left a message. They did not call
> back so he called a couple more times the following week and made contact
one
> afternoon. They told him some of the sheet materials were at another
facility
> getting sheared. The next day, he found out his check had already cleared
the
> bank. After another week, he left another message and got no call back.
> Finally this week (after getting quite frustrated with no communications
from
> them), he tried their fax number and someone answered. They still claimed
the
> sheet material was at the vendor getting sheared. Tomorrow will be ONE
MONTH
> since the order was placed. It is obvious that they waited until his
check
> cleared before they even started to fill the order. And they have not
initiated
> any communication at all to say the order was partially filled or some on
> back-order. Nothing. in fact, they seem to be avoiding his phone calls.
He has
> now asked them to cancel the order and send his money back. He asked me
to
> check with the Piet group and see if anyone else has had similar dealings
with
> them. Or worse, or better? He chose Sirius because of our proximity to
their
> facility so we could go pick up the order and save shipping. Plus, their
prices
> were good when compared with Univair, Wicks, AS&S....the only cheaper was
> Dillsburg. Whenever and IF ever he gets his $$ back....Dillsburg will get
his
> business from now on.
> Terry Bowden
> ph (254) 715-4773
> fax (254) 853-3805
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
The guy at Alpha is Russ Chambers, I think, and his son is either a part
timer on this list or the tcraft list, I forget which. Either way, do
busines with him. Jim, I used to tow at Caddo Mills and it is really due
west from greenville not SW.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bad vibes from Sirius
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Egad, I wish I had known your father-in-law was about to do this..... I
> posted a note to the list (or maybe offline to someone in the Piet group)
> some time ago regarding Sirius. And I won't spend any more time on this
> issue on this forum than to say that I hope the money is returned. Ok, I
> will say a bit more.....your father-in-law ain't alone.....
>
> Ok, now for "local" pickup and one of the best suppliers you'll find
> ANYWHERE, drive a little farther north/east to Alpha Aviation in
Greenville.
> (Actually, don't drive there......drive to Mesquite, which you were going
to
> do anyway, and I'll pick you up and drive you to Greenville myself.....)
> Now that I think about it, we can stop a little SW of Greenville (in Caddo
> Mills) and we'll take a sailplane up and go find some thermals! Now THAT
> would be fun!
>
> Anyway, what he doesn't have he'll get for you and he's simply a pleasure
to
> deal with. Everything I've bought there has been priced very close to
AS&S
> (I've only comparison price checked a couple of items) but I can drive
over
> and pick up what I need. Good service is never free and I would gladly
pay
> a bit more just for the experience. Good service, local pickup and a fair
> price is a combination that's just to rare these days.....
>
> I was over there recently getting some ply (which I cutup into 9" strips
and
> started attaching to the leading edge just this evening.....) and
mentioned
> that I needed some 1.5" 4130 for my straight axle. He dug around, found
> none and said he would order some. I called back a week or so later, it
was
> in and I went out and picked it up. No advance payment, no hassle, just
go
> get it.
>
> OK, I'll get off my soap box....good customer service is one of my pet
> peeves.
>
> Again, good luck and let me know if you get up this way.
>
> Jim in Plano
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bad vibes from Sirius
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
> >
> > Dear Pieters,
> > Has anyone had any dealings with Sirius Aviation in the DFW area? My
> > father-in-law is having a bad experience with them. He ordered a large
> bill of
> > materials from them (various sizes of 4130 tube, 4130 sheet, and
aluminum
> sheet)
> > about a month ago for his Hatz project. They told him large orders
might
> take
> > up to a week for processing. He wrote them a check for over $1600. At
> the end
> > of the first week, he tried calling and left a message. They did not
call
> > back so he called a couple more times the following week and made
contact
> one
> > afternoon. They told him some of the sheet materials were at another
> facility
> > getting sheared. The next day, he found out his check had already
cleared
> the
> > bank. After another week, he left another message and got no call back.
> > Finally this week (after getting quite frustrated with no communications
> from
> > them), he tried their fax number and someone answered. They still
claimed
> the
> > sheet material was at the vendor getting sheared. Tomorrow will be ONE
> MONTH
> > since the order was placed. It is obvious that they waited until his
> check
> > cleared before they even started to fill the order. And they have not
> initiated
> > any communication at all to say the order was partially filled or some
on
> > back-order. Nothing. in fact, they seem to be avoiding his phone
calls.
> He has
> > now asked them to cancel the order and send his money back. He asked me
> to
> > check with the Piet group and see if anyone else has had similar
dealings
> with
> > them. Or worse, or better? He chose Sirius because of our proximity to
> their
> > facility so we could go pick up the order and save shipping. Plus,
their
> prices
> > were good when compared with Univair, Wicks, AS&S....the only cheaper
was
> > Dillsburg. Whenever and IF ever he gets his $$ back....Dillsburg will
get
> his
> > business from now on.
> > Terry Bowden
> > ph (254) 715-4773
> > fax (254) 853-3805
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Thanks Dick.
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuel tanks
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
--> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I used 5052H-32 .040. It worked very well.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuel tanks
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
> --> <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> What guage aluninum are you using for the front mounted fuse fuel
> tank. I
am
> about ready to make mine up.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi, Australia
> http://cpc-world.cable.nu
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 11/19/03 9:30:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Jford@indstate.edu writes:
<< I've been secretly harbouring (pun intended) thoughts of installing
float attach-points when I build. I would hate to think someone might
beat me to something as obscure and off-the-wall as that... >>
John,
Someone from this list had a fully sheeted fuselage with an embeded emblem on
the side, on display at Brodhead this year, with intentions of building fully
plywood sheeted floats, to match. Way cool idea !! I don't remember who it
was...
Chuck G.
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