Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Floats ? (Gadd, Skip)
2. 05:02 AM - Floats (John Myers)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Bad vibes from Sirius (Doyle K. Combs)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: Floats ? (John Ford)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: Taper in tail section (Gadd, Skip)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Floats ? (Christian Bobka)
7. 09:37 AM - Re: Piet Fuel tanks (rambog@erols.com)
8. 09:55 AM - Re: Floats ? (John Ford)
9. 11:58 AM - Re: Floats ? (Christian Bobka)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Floats ? (DJ Vegh)
11. 12:56 PM - Re: Floats ? (John Ford)
12. 06:19 PM - Re: Floats ? (Richard Navratil)
13. 06:31 PM - floats (Richard Navratil)
14. 07:07 PM - Re: Floats ? (John Ford)
15. 07:33 PM - Piet for sale (Bob Seibert)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Chuck,
That was Dick Navratil's fuselage, beautiful job.
Skip
>Someone from this list had a fully sheeted fuselage with an embeded emblem
on
>the side, on display at Brodhead this year, with intentions of building
fully
>plywood sheeted floats, to match. Way cool idea !! I don't remember who
it
>was...
>Chuck G.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Myers <jmyers@powernet.org>
John,
I was down at Winter Haven the other day and John Brown (of seaplane fame)
said he had a pair of floats that would work wonderful for a Piet. He
mentioned that they were 1050's or something near that size. Seems they
were on a C3 at one time. He said that if they didn't end up on something
like a Piet that someday they will probably be in a museum. Things dreams
are made of; now if I only lived on the water. I will need amphibs if I
ever get to go splashing.
John Myers
At 10:29 PM 11/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
>I've been secretly harbouring (pun intended) thoughts of installing
>float attach-points when I build. I would hate to think someone might
>beat me to something as obscure and off-the-wall as that...
>
>John
>
>John Ford
>john@indstate.edu
>812-237-8542
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| Subject: | Re: Bad vibes from Sirius |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" <dcombs@Ltex.net>
It seems like a nice organization, but I could never get any response from
them.
Doyle Combs
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bad vibes from Sirius
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> Dear Pieters,
> Has anyone had any dealings with Sirius Aviation in the DFW area? My
> father-in-law is having a bad experience with them. He ordered a large
bill of
> materials from them (various sizes of 4130 tube, 4130 sheet, and aluminum
sheet)
> about a month ago for his Hatz project. They told him large orders might
take
> up to a week for processing. He wrote them a check for over $1600. At
the end
> of the first week, he tried calling and left a message. They did not call
> back so he called a couple more times the following week and made contact
one
> afternoon. They told him some of the sheet materials were at another
facility
> getting sheared. The next day, he found out his check had already cleared
the
> bank. After another week, he left another message and got no call back.
> Finally this week (after getting quite frustrated with no communications
from
> them), he tried their fax number and someone answered. They still claimed
the
> sheet material was at the vendor getting sheared. Tomorrow will be ONE
MONTH
> since the order was placed. It is obvious that they waited until his
check
> cleared before they even started to fill the order. And they have not
initiated
> any communication at all to say the order was partially filled or some on
> back-order. Nothing. in fact, they seem to be avoiding his phone calls.
He has
> now asked them to cancel the order and send his money back. He asked me
to
> check with the Piet group and see if anyone else has had similar dealings
with
> them. Or worse, or better? He chose Sirius because of our proximity to
their
> facility so we could go pick up the order and save shipping. Plus, their
prices
> were good when compared with Univair, Wicks, AS&S....the only cheaper was
> Dillsburg. Whenever and IF ever he gets his $$ back....Dillsburg will get
his
> business from now on.
> Terry Bowden
> ph (254) 715-4773
> fax (254) 853-3805
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I remember looking at that. Nice. I wonder how much it weighs with all
that sheeting?
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:37:55 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Chuck,
That was Dick Navratil's fuselage, beautiful job.
Skip
>Someone from this list had a fully sheeted fuselage with an embeded
emblem
on
>the side, on display at Brodhead this year, with intentions of
building
fully
>plywood sheeted floats, to match. Way cool idea !! I don't remember
who
it
>was...
>Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Taper in tail section |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Tom,
Yes, your assumption is correct by the plans. I did mine by the plans
because I always tend to do things the way that would be the most work. The
plans call for the flange to be tapered different from the main part of the
end member, you have to make both right and left hand taper jigs to do the
job.
My 2 cents, a better way to make the piece would be just make a tapered
rectangle, glue the horizontal stab together, then make 1/4 X 1/4 pieces,
glue on top and bottom to give the member the T shape.
Skip
>I'm starting to build the tail section very soon and from studying the
plans it looks like >there's a taper in the thickness of the tail sections.
On the tail drawing, the leading
>edge (inside) thickness is 1/2" where the main beam is 5/8". So do the two
end members get >tapered first and then cut with the "relief"? Also, I'm
assuming the end members are >leading edge section. Would I be correct in
that assumption?
>Tom Brant
>Brooklyn Park, MN
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
use the muktuk floats
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/19/03 9:30:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> Jford@indstate.edu writes:
>
> << I've been secretly harbouring (pun intended) thoughts of installing
> float attach-points when I build. I would hate to think someone might
> beat me to something as obscure and off-the-wall as that... >>
>
> John,
> Someone from this list had a fully sheeted fuselage with an embeded emblem
on
> the side, on display at Brodhead this year, with intentions of building
fully
> plywood sheeted floats, to match. Way cool idea !! I don't remember who
it
> was...
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
I would recommend using 3003 aluminum .040 thick. It is cheap, easy to
obtain (any sheet metal shop has it), easy to work, and is what they
originally would have used.
Gene
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From: Peter W Johnson vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuel tanks
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Thanks Dick.
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuel tanks
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
--> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I used 5052H-32 .040. It worked very well.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuel tanks
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
> --> <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> What guage aluninum are you using for the front mounted fuse fuel
> tank. I
am
> about ready to make mine up.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi, Australia
> http://cpc-world.cable.nu
>
>
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Muktuk floats? Whale fat? Eskimo Ice Cream? Muktuk does float, so I
suppose I could wrap it in a caribou skin and be done with it. I'd need
an enclosed cockpit and a strong cigar to cope with the smell...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> bobka@compuserve.com Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:14:35 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
use the muktuk floats
----- Original Message -----
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
No silly. these
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/
Chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Muktuk floats? Whale fat? Eskimo Ice Cream? Muktuk does float, so I
> suppose I could wrap it in a caribou skin and be done with it. I'd need
> an enclosed cockpit and a strong cigar to cope with the smell...
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> bobka@compuserve.com Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:14:35 AM >>>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> use the muktuk floats
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
those are inexpensive and look to be pretty simple to build. me likes!
too bad out here in AZ there's no lakes suited for float flying, save for Lake
Havasu of course.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
No silly. these
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/
Chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Muktuk floats? Whale fat? Eskimo Ice Cream? Muktuk does float, so I
> suppose I could wrap it in a caribou skin and be done with it. I'd need
> an enclosed cockpit and a strong cigar to cope with the smell...
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> bobka@compuserve.com Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:14:35 AM >>>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> use the muktuk floats
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
=
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Extremely cool! Very, very nice... Thanks!
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> bobka@compuserve.com Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:52:43 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
No silly. these
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/
Chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford"
<Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Muktuk floats? Whale fat? Eskimo Ice Cream? Muktuk does float, so
I
> suppose I could wrap it in a caribou skin and be done with it. I'd
need
> an enclosed cockpit and a strong cigar to cope with the smell...
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> bobka@compuserve.com Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:14:35 AM >>>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> use the muktuk floats
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
John
Thats my project. As best that I figure the fuse is within 3lb. of a
normal fuse.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> I remember looking at that. Nice. I wonder how much it weighs with all
> that sheeting?
>
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:37:55 AM >>>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
>
> Chuck,
> That was Dick Navratil's fuselage, beautiful job.
> Skip
>
> >Someone from this list had a fully sheeted fuselage with an embeded
> emblem
> on
> >the side, on display at Brodhead this year, with intentions of
> building
> fully
> >plywood sheeted floats, to match. Way cool idea !! I don't remember
> who
> it
> >was...
> >Chuck G.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I just checked out that muctuc floats web site. Those are very nice. I was thinking
of building a set of wings at SNF this year but maybe floats would be a
good project.
If anyone else wants to make lots of quick progress on a project, the group at
Sun n Fun is great and you can meet lots of other builders.
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Dick,
It sure looks good, and I reckon it's quite stiff torsionally. I'm
excited to see it when you're finished.
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> horzpool@goldengate.net Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:18:51 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
John
Thats my project. As best that I figure the fuse is within 3lb. of a
normal fuse.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Floats ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford"
<Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> I remember looking at that. Nice. I wonder how much it weighs with
all
> that sheeting?
>
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:37:55 AM >>>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip"
<Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
>
> Chuck,
> That was Dick Navratil's fuselage, beautiful job.
> Skip
>
> >Someone from this list had a fully sheeted fuselage with an embeded
> emblem
> on
> >the side, on display at Brodhead this year, with intentions of
> building
> fully
> >plywood sheeted floats, to match. Way cool idea !! I don't
remember
> who
> it
> >was...
> >Chuck G.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bob Seibert" <dsseibert@earthlink.net>
Well, I guess its time to move on to new challenges.
Diane and I are putting the house up for sale with the goal of moving
closer to our son in California and doing the semi-retirement thing.
We are selling Macho Grande Airport here in Taylor, TX and our free hangar
rent is going to go away.
SO....
For Sale - 2003 Pietenpol Aircamper - A-65 Continental recently gone
through, cruises 80, top speed 95! (on a good day) Photos on the Matronics
photo page (July 29, 2003), this has the hours flown off of it and is legal
for the Sport Pilot category. It was fun to build and is fun to fly. I will
do an annual with purchase. $14K Bob Seibert 512-365-8918.
NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS CHANGED. It is dsseibert@earthlink.net
Regards,
Bob Seibert
PS- If anybody wants to buy a 2500' runway, hangar, barn, shop and house on
42 acres 1/2 hour from Austin, we can work a deal on that too!
--- Bob Seibert
--- dsseibert@earthlink.net
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