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1. 09:11 AM - Misc info (Jim Vydra)
2. 11:27 AM - Seat belts (Sam Marinucci)
3. 11:34 AM - Seat belts (Sam Marinucci)
4. 11:42 AM - Re: Seat belts (Jack Phillips)
5. 02:48 PM - Really Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
6. 02:53 PM - Re: Good Fuselage?? (Hubbard, Eugene)
7. 03:27 PM - Re: Misc info (Christian Bobka)
8. 03:32 PM - Re: correct plans? (Kip & Beth Gardner)
9. 07:40 PM - Nav lghts on a Piet (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 08:49 PM - Apple QuickTime Video Help (Michael Fisher)
11. 08:54 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (DJ Vegh)
12. 09:00 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Christian Bobka)
13. 09:16 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 09:20 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Christian Bobka)
15. 09:26 PM - Re: Apple QuickTime Video Help (DJ Vegh)
16. 09:54 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Christian Bobka)
17. 10:14 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Kevin Holcomb)
18. 10:39 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Rcaprd@aol.com)
19. 11:14 PM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
I found a box of designee documents. Such items as riveting, welding, etc. Some
are aircraft spefic. Any interest in thm here..or should I use them to start
a cozy fire on Thanksgiving?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem@ezol.com>
Guys,
I need a little help! How are the seat belts anchored for the rear
cockpit? I have the shoulder harness anchored with a 1/4 inch cable attached
to the bolt running back to the tailwheel spring mount but I'm having a
problem figuring out just where to mount the rear seat belts. I don't feel
attaching them to the floor plywood would be strong enough even if the area
is reinforced with a ply doubler. The front belts are attached to the ash
member across the floor so they are plenty secure. Anybody have any ideas?
Sam Marinucci
NX115SM (reserved number)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem@ezol.com>
Guys,
I need a little help! How are the seat belts anchored for the rear
cockpit? I have the shoulder harness anchored with a 1/4 inch cable attached
to the bolt running back to the tailwheel spring mount but I'm having a
problem figuring out just where to mount the rear seat belts. I don't feel
attaching them to the floor plywood would be strong enough even if the area
is reinforced with a ply doubler. The front belts are attached to the ash
member across the floor so they are plenty secure. Anybody have any ideas?
Sam Marinucci
NX115SM (reserved number)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Hi Sam,
I anchored mine through the lower longerons and two thicknesses of plywood
doublers, with 5/16" bolts. The FAA says seatbelts are to be attached to
primary structure. In a Pietenpol, that pretty much means the longerons.
Jack Phillips
Putting the last finishing tapes on NX899JP today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam
Marinucci
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem@ezol.com>
Guys,
I need a little help! How are the seat belts anchored for the rear
cockpit? I have the shoulder harness anchored with a 1/4 inch cable attached
to the bolt running back to the tailwheel spring mount but I'm having a
problem figuring out just where to mount the rear seat belts. I don't feel
attaching them to the floor plywood would be strong enough even if the area
is reinforced with a ply doubler. The front belts are attached to the ash
member across the floor so they are plenty secure. Anybody have any ideas?
Sam Marinucci
NX115SM (reserved number)
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| Subject: | Really Nice Comments... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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Please make your contribution today and, in one small, way fight off the
every increasing commercialism creep that is taking over the Internet!! :-)
The SSL Secure web site for making your List Contribution can be found here:
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Thank you to everyone that has already showed their support for the List!!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
Eric,
First the disclaimer: I'm not a structural engineer, and I haven't run the
numbers for the Piet fuselage. I do understand a lot of the physics
involved. I built my Piet fuselage 1 inch spruce longerons.
You're calculations are correct, at least for tensile strength. Stiffness
depends on dimension squared, and goes down even faster. There's a MIL-SPEC
on spruce--I don't have the number handy, but someone on the list probably
does. It lists substitution recommendations for other woods, including
Douglas fir.
On the other hand, there seems to be a general consensus that the Piet is
overbuilt. You could check into the construction used for other wood planes
to get a feeling for what is done. The only data point I (think) I remember
is that I've seen an Ospery I amphibian that appeared to be built of 3/4
inch fir.
Doublers seem like an interesting idea. If I were going to do it that way,
I'd think about 8 long strips on the outsides of the corners, over the
gussets, with filler blocks between the gussets. 1/8 inch Douglas fir over
1/8 inch filler would probably bring your strength back to nominal.
Stiffness would (probably) be better than using 1" spruce. I'd worry a bit
about using a spruce doubler over Douglas Fir because of a difference in
stiffness (Young's modulus to be specific).
Let us know how you decide to go.
Gene Hubbard
San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Williams [mailto:ewilliams805@msn.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Fuselage??
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
Hi everyone. This is my first posting to this list (although Ive been
lurking for a while) and I have a situation that I would really appreciate
any comments or suggestions on.
While at Oshkosh this year, a very good friend of mine, who has too many
airplanes in various stages of repair, offered to give me a Piet project
that he had acquired several years ago from a friend of his (the builder).
I picked up the project this past weekend and it consists of a completed
fuselage structure with the plywood skin on the forward half and the floor,
a complete set of wing ribs, and a complete set of tail surfaces.
The workmanship on the project looks to be acceptable however, one thing
that bothered me was the longerons and the other fuselage members appeared
to be small in cross-section. The builder happened to stop by while we were
loading it all onto my trailer. He said that he had used douglas fir and
since his research proved to him that fir was 25% stronger than spruce, he
had reduced the dimensions of the members by 25% (from 1" to 3/4"). The
problem with this line of thinking, as I see it, is that when you multiply
3/4" by 3/4" you end up with 0.56 square inches as the cross-sectional area
of the wood that was used, as compared to 1.00 square inch in a 1" x 1"
member. That means the longerons in my fuselage actually contain 44% less
material than had they been built using 1x1 stock.
I would sincerely appreciate any thoughts you all might have as to the
usability of this fuselage. I should say that it "feels" strong and I did
sit in it while it was supported at the approximate landing gear points and
there appeared to be no deflection or creaking at all (there were a few
engine noises made however). I also wonder if I might be able to epoxy some
1/4" strips to the various members for added strength? The builder said he
had used West System epoxy to construct it.
Thanks for your input.
Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
did you not put them on ebay, Jim?
What are they, specifiaclly?
Chris bobka
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From: "Jim Vydra" <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Misc info
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I found a box of designee documents. Such items as riveting, welding, etc.
Some are aircraft spefic. Any interest in thm here..or should I use them to
start a cozy fire on Thanksgiving?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: correct plans? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 3:37 PM -0500 11/18/03, Eric Williams wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
>
>I'm just checking to see if I got a complete set of plans with the project I
>acquired a couple weeks ago. I know I need to order the supplemental plans
>for the long fuselage but I didn't want to also order the original plans
>unless I need to. This is the list of sheets I have along with the date on
>the title block:
>
>#1 - Fuselage details, 1-19-33
>#2 - Stabilizer and rudder details, 3-23-33
>#3 - Split axle landing gear, 1-25-34
>#4 - Dual control assembly, 2-26-34
>#5 - Wing details, 3-3-34
>#6 - Struts, tailskid, motor mount, 3-?-34
>#7 - Cowling and 3-view of plane, 3-20-34
>#8 - Model A conversion, (no date)
>
>There is also an additional, undated sheet showing the steel tube fuselage.
>
>Is this a complete set of the original plans? Also, in addition to the long
>fuse plans I would assume I should order the Builder's Manual and the
>3-piece wing plans that the Piet family website sells. Is the Manual
>helpful and accurate?
>
>Thanks.
Eric,
I checked my set of plans & the set of 9 sheets that you have is the
complete 'basic' set.
The 3-piece wing plan is a single sheet.
The Long Fuselage/Corvair plans are a set of 5 sheets:
#1 Long Fuselage layout & motor mounts
#2 Corvair Engine Mount
#3 Continental Engine Mount
#4 Corvair Prop Hub & Safety Shaft
#5 Corvair Prop Hub Details
Hope that helps.
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
While building the fuse for Repiet I want to wire it for nav lights, install
switch and ammeter plus plan for the installation of a small wind driven
generator. Would like an installation to be installed and removed easily as night
flying is not a regular activity.
Edwin Johnson and I have discussed this and feel that if 311CC has the
capability for night flight it would increase it's value to the next owner after
I'm
gone.
From some in the know: How much 12 v drain is there for the necessary nav
lights?
Is a strobe or rotating beacon required? If you know the reg numbers on this
I would appreciate having them.
Would appreciate your input on this subject.
Thanks in advance
Corky in La
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| Subject: | Apple QuickTime Video Help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
After downloading the QuickTime free software, I am still unable to view the referenced
video. Have the rest of you been able to see it? Any help would be
most welcome.
I have the crankshaft/propeller adaptor almost fully machined for my 116 cubic
inch Ford project. Looks nice - - a 48# steel billet was reduced to about 4.5#
for a 4 inch extension with a 6 inch flange. Knowledgeable people say pessimistic
things about running direct drive, nodular iron crankshafts with no outboard
bearings and I take them seriously.
The end thrust provision for an auto engine is designed to absorb a momentary 300#
push on the flywheel end when the clutch is disengaged. Cruising a Pietenpol
Scout at 70 MPH might involve a steady pull of about 137# on the flywheel
end. Can the little Ford take this? Who knows?
They won't let you present at the Oshkosh Auto Engine Forums unless you've flown
your engine. This is a wise rule.
Happy landings, Mike Fisher, P. O. Box 347, Talkeetna, Alaska 99676
Time: 10:32:09 AM PST US
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: my Corvair is alive and running
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I got my Corvair finished and running on Friday. Was a rush! After over a year
it's finally done. I'm still breaking it in but I get about 2750 rpm static
with a 66x29 Tenesee prop. This thing has some good power!
a QuickTime video of the first run is here:
www.imagedv.com/aircamper/first-run.mov
DJ
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
you'll need a rotating beacon, red and green wing tip lights and a white
tail light. I'm pretty sure you can substitute strobes for a rotating
beacon if desired. No landing light required but nice to have for dark
nights at poorly lit fields.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
-
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> While building the fuse for Repiet I want to wire it for nav lights,
install
> switch and ammeter plus plan for the installation of a small wind driven
> generator. Would like an installation to be installed and removed easily
as night
> flying is not a regular activity.
> Edwin Johnson and I have discussed this and feel that if 311CC has the
> capability for night flight it would increase it's value to the next owner
after I'm
> gone.
> From some in the know: How much 12 v drain is there for the necessary nav
> lights?
> Is a strobe or rotating beacon required? If you know the reg numbers on
this
> I would appreciate having them.
> Would appreciate your input on this subject.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Corky in La
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Corky,
Here it all is: nav lights, anticollision (strobe or rotating beacon) (per
91.205 (c)(3) ) installed to meet the part 23 criteria (if you need this let
me know), and a landing light (per 91.507). It is 91.507 that really gets
you because this is relatively new addition to part 91 that says that you
need the instruments needed for IFR flight installed to fly night VFR. You
also need to have it on your particular experimental aircraft's specific
operating limitations (the paperwork the DAR gives you) that you are ok for
night VFR.
All the pertinent parts are below. I have edited out sections that don't
apply. I don't think it will happen with a Pietenpol.....too much weight.
91.209 Aircraft lights.
(a) No person may, during the period from sunset to sunrise (or, in Alaska,
during the period a prominent unlighted object cannot be seen from a
distance of 3 statute miles or the sun is more than 6 degrees below the
horizon) --
(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights;
(2) Park or move an aircraft in, or in dangerous proximity to, a night
flight operations area of an airport unless the aircraft --
(i) Is clearly illuminated;
(ii) Has lighted position lights; or
(iii) is in an area that is marked by obstruction lights;
(b) No person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision
light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the
anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command
determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the
interest of safety to turn the lights off.
[Doc. No. 27806, 61 FR 5171, Feb. 9, 1996]
91.507 Equipment requirements: Over-the-top or night VFR operations.
No person may operate an airplane over-the-top or at night under VFR unless
that airplane is equipped with the instruments and equipment required for
IFR operations under 91.205(d) and one electric landing light for night
operations. Each required instrument and item of equipment must be in
operable condition.
91.205 Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness
certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
(a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this
section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard
category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in
paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft contains the
instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved
equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and items of
equipment are in operable condition.
(b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the following
instruments and equipment are required:
(1) Airspeed indicator.
(2) Altimeter.
(3) Magnetic direction indicator.
(4) Tachometer for each engine.
(5) Oil pressure gauge for each engine using pressure system.
(6) Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine.
(7) Oil temperature gauge for each air-cooled engine.
(8) Manifold pressure gauge for each altitude engine.
(9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
(10) Landing gear position indicator, if the aircraft has a retractable
landing gear.
(11) For small civil airplanes certificated after March 11, 1996, in
accordance with part 23 of this chapter, an approved aviation red or
aviation white anticollision light system. In the event of failure of any
light of the anticollision light system, operation of the aircraft may
continue to a location where repairs or replacement can be made.
(15) An emergency locator transmitter, if required by 91.207.
(c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following
instruments and equipment are required:
(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section.
(2) Approved position lights.
(3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on
all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially
installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate
was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the
anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as
applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color
may be either aviation red or aviation white. In the event of failure of any
light of the anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be
continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made.
(5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed electrical and
radio equipment.
(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that
are accessible to the pilot in flight.
(d) Instrument flight rules. For IFR flight, the following instruments and
equipment are required:
(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section,
and, for night flight, instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (c)
of this section.
(2) Two-way radio communications system and navigational equipment
appropriate to the ground facilities to be used.
(3) Gyroscopic rate-of-turn indicator.
(4) Slip-skid indicator.
(5) Sensitive altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure.
(6) A clock displaying hours, minutes, and seconds with a sweep-second
pointer or digital presentation.
(7) Generator or alternator of adequate capacity.
(8) Gyroscopic pitch and bank indicator (artificial horizon).
(9) Gyroscopic direction indicator (directional gyro or equivalent).
[Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34292, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91-220, 55
FR 43310, Oct. 26, 1990; Amdt. 91-223, 56 FR 41052, Aug. 16, 1991; Amdt.
91-231, 57 FR 42672, Sept. 15, 1992; Amdt. 91-248, 61 FR 5171, Feb. 9, 1996;
Amdt. 91-251, 61 FR 34560, July 2, 1996]
91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating limitations.
(d) (2) Each person operating an aircraft that has an experimental
certificate shall operate under VFR, day only, unless otherwise specifically
authorized by the Administrator.
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number
2120-0005)
Chris Bobka
CFI, ATP, A&P, IA, FE, AGI
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> While building the fuse for Repiet I want to wire it for nav lights,
install
> switch and ammeter plus plan for the installation of a small wind driven
> generator. Would like an installation to be installed and removed easily
as night
> flying is not a regular activity.
> Edwin Johnson and I have discussed this and feel that if 311CC has the
> capability for night flight it would increase it's value to the next owner
after I'm
> gone.
> From some in the know: How much 12 v drain is there for the necessary nav
> lights?
> Is a strobe or rotating beacon required? If you know the reg numbers on
this
> I would appreciate having them.
> Would appreciate your input on this subject.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Corky in La
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Thanks Chris,
Things sure have changed in the past 50 yrs. I sure am glad I threw the light
question out. You people are right if you thought, " how bumb can someone
be". I sure didn't have a clue that an experimental was denied night flight.
Thanks again for setting me straight.
Corky in La who will only fly on sun shining days.
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
DJ,
Read the whole post I sent to corky on lights. A landing light AND IFR
isntrumentation is required now, and that goes for the old taylorcrafts and
cessna 140s, etc., as well.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> you'll need a rotating beacon, red and green wing tip lights and a white
> tail light. I'm pretty sure you can substitute strobes for a rotating
> beacon if desired. No landing light required but nice to have for dark
> nights at poorly lit fields.
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Pieters,
> >
> > While building the fuse for Repiet I want to wire it for nav lights,
> install
> > switch and ammeter plus plan for the installation of a small wind driven
> > generator. Would like an installation to be installed and removed easily
> as night
> > flying is not a regular activity.
> > Edwin Johnson and I have discussed this and feel that if 311CC has the
> > capability for night flight it would increase it's value to the next
owner
> after I'm
> > gone.
> > From some in the know: How much 12 v drain is there for the necessary
nav
> > lights?
> > Is a strobe or rotating beacon required? If you know the reg numbers on
> this
> > I would appreciate having them.
> > Would appreciate your input on this subject.
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Corky in La
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Video Help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
you need to right click that video link and choose "save target as" then
save it locally to your hard drive. It will play fine after doing that.
For some reason which I have yet to figure out, some browsers do not like to
play the video even if the proper quicktime codec is installed.
do the save target as and you'll be able to view it.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Fisher" <mfisher@gci.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Video Help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
>
> After downloading the QuickTime free software, I am still unable to view
the referenced video. Have the rest of you been able to see it? Any help
would be most welcome.
>
> I have the crankshaft/propeller adaptor almost fully machined for my 116
cubic inch Ford project. Looks nice - - a 48# steel billet was reduced to
about 4.5# for a 4 inch extension with a 6 inch flange. Knowledgeable
people say pessimistic things about running direct drive, nodular iron
crankshafts with no outboard bearings and I take them seriously.
>
> The end thrust provision for an auto engine is designed to absorb a
momentary 300# push on the flywheel end when the clutch is disengaged.
Cruising a Pietenpol Scout at 70 MPH might involve a steady pull of about
137# on the flywheel end. Can the little Ford take this? Who knows?
>
> They won't let you present at the Oshkosh Auto Engine Forums unless you've
flown your engine. This is a wise rule.
>
> Happy landings, Mike Fisher, P. O. Box 347, Talkeetna, Alaska 99676
>
> Time: 10:32:09 AM PST US
> From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: my Corvair is alive and running
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> I got my Corvair finished and running on Friday. Was a rush! After over
a year
> it's finally done. I'm still breaking it in but I get about 2750 rpm
static
> with a 66x29 Tenesee prop. This thing has some good power!
>
> a QuickTime video of the first run is here:
>
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper/first-run.mov
>
> DJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
No, Corky, an experimental is NOT necessarily blanket denied night VFR or
day/night IFR. You need to look at the paperwork the DAR gave you in the
form of limitations of the experimental airworthiness certificate of YOUR
particular airplane. It might be denied, it might not. What is on the
limitations may be based on what you wrote on the application...
chris
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Thanks Chris,
> Things sure have changed in the past 50 yrs. I sure am glad I threw the
light
> question out. You people are right if you thought, " how bumb can someone
> be". I sure didn't have a clue that an experimental was denied night
flight.
> Thanks again for setting me straight.
>
> Corky in La who will only fly on sun shining days.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
Here is my understanding of the rules, hopefully it will be of some help to
you,
91.507 (or for that matter any of the rules within subpart F of part 91)
does not apply unless you are a large or turbine powered multi-engine
airplane.
As for lights, here is how I understand the rules for part 91 operations in
an airplane that is not large or turbine powered:
If you have strobe lights you must use them - Always, unless they are
interefering with the safe conduct of flight (for example reflecting off
clouds or the prop and distracting you.) Ref 91.209(b)
If you wish to fly after sunset but before sunrise you must have navigation
lights (the green and red wing tip lights.) (ref 91.209)
If you wish to fly after the end of evening civil twilight but before the
begining of mourning civil twilight you must have anti-collision lights
(ref 91.205c). This civil twilight stuff is a time as recorded in the Air
Almanac (an expensive book.) An unofficial source for the civil twilight
information is on airnav.com, which lists civil twilight for that day when
you look up an airport. It is about the time that the city starts to turn
the street lights on and you start noticing all the house lights. This
differs from nautical twilight which is defined as the time when you can no
longer distinguish the horizon. Civil twilight buys you about an extra 20
minutes here in Florida.
For people that have old airplanes to operate at night (after the end of
civil twilight) they must have an approved lighting system that meets the
standards on a specified date in the early 1970's, which if you dig through
the references breaks down to you must have a strobe or rotating beacon.
New airplanes are not allowed to use this option and must have the strobes.
For instance a Stinson that was originally equipped for night flight when
it was certified cannot legally be used at night today unless it has a
beacon or strobes.
I hope this helps, to make sense of it keep in mind that one reg refers to
sunset/sunrise, the other refers to 'night' which means end of civil
twilight to start of civil twilight.
Kevin
www.airminded.net
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 11/21/03 9:40:29 PM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
<< How much 12 v drain is there for the necessary nav
lights? >>
Corky,
You should consider Super Bright LED's, for your nav lights. They use a lot
less current, and almost last forever. I think several of them would have to
be used together in a small group, each of them pointing in a different
direction, because they are focal in their light emmition. You would probably
have
to make them up yourself. Today they are being used in flashlights,
taillights on cars, and traffic lights. I'm planning on using them on my Tailwind,
for
the nav lights. Here are a couple of web sites that have some info about
them: http://ledtaillights.com/
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
Chuck G.
Three flights this week !!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Chris,
Thanks for the update. I've got some studying to do !!
Chuck G.
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