Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:38 AM - Re: Nav lghts on a Piet (Kevin Holcomb)
2. 08:41 AM - No anticollision light needed on an experimental (Christian Bobka)
3. 09:20 AM - Lights on a Piet (Isablcorky@aol.com)
4. 12:59 PM - interchange manual (Christian Bobka)
5. 02:02 PM - Sun'n'Fun forums (Doc Mosher)
6. 03:01 PM - Emailing: eBayISAPI (Richard Navratil)
7. 03:27 PM - Re: Rnager upright conversion (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
8. 03:55 PM - Re: Rnager upright conversion (Christian Bobka)
9. 05:02 PM - A-65 question (Bert Conoly)
10. 05:54 PM - Fir lumber source (Richard Carden)
11. 05:59 PM - Re: Fir lumber source (JamesJboyer@aol.com)
12. 07:39 PM - Re: A-65 question (w b evans)
13. 08:03 PM - Re: Fir lumber source (Richard Navratil)
14. 08:24 PM - Re: Fir lumber source (dave rowe)
15. 09:24 PM - Re: Fw: Ranger upright conversion (Darrel E. Jones)
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| Subject: | Re: Nav lghts on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
I missed that, good catch. Corky, I agree with Chris, for experimentals as
long as the operating limitations do not require you to comply with 91.205
you can get by with just navigation lights after dark.
> [Original Message]
> From: Christian Bobka <bobka@compuserve.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/22/2003 7:30:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> Ah kevin. The light reg in 91 says "sunrise to sunset". It never
mentions
> the word "night". Granted night is defined in Part 1 but it applies
solely
> to 91.205. Part 91.205 is titled "Powered civil aircraft with standard
> category U.S. airworthiness certificates: Instrument and equipment
> requirements" and the question was about an experimetnal airworthiness
> certificate, not a standard category airworthiness certificate so we can
> ignore part 91.205(c) and revert to the "sunrise to sunset" of 91.209.
>
> Its good to go back and forth like this becuase this is how you learn the
> darn regs!
>
> chris
>
>
> 91.209 Aircraft lights.
>
>
> No person may:
>
> (a) During the period from sunset to sunrise (or, in Alaska, during the
> period a prominent unlighted object cannot be seen from a distance of 3
> statute miles or the sun is more than 6 degrees below the horizon) --
>
> (1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights;
>
> (2) Park or move an aircraft in, or in dangerous proximity to, a night
> flight operations area of an airport unless the aircraft --
>
> (i) Is clearly illuminated;
>
> (ii) Has lighted position lights; or
>
> (iii) is in an area that is marked by obstruction lights;
>
> (3) Anchor an aircraft unless the aircraft --
>
> (i) Has lighted anchor lights; or
>
> (ii) Is in an area where anchor lights are not required on vessels; or
>
> (b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system,
> unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision
> lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
> because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
> turn the lights off.
>
> [Doc. No. 27806, 61 FR 5171, Feb. 9, 1996]
>
>
> 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
>
>
> (a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this
> section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying
> passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight
> crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three
> landings within the preceding 90 days, and --
>
> (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
>
> (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of
the
> same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if the
> aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs and
> landings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a
tailwheel.
>
> (2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of
this
> section, a person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft under day
VFR
> or day IFR, provided no persons or property are carried on board the
> aircraft, other than those necessary for the conduct of the flight.
>
> (3) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section
> may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device that
> is --
>
> (i) Approved by the Administrator for landings; and
>
> (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training
> center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
> (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided in
> paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of an
> aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning 1 hour after
sunset
> and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within the preceding 90 days that
> person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop
> during the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before
> sunrise, and --
>
> (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
>
> (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of
the
> same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required).
>
> (2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this section
> may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is --
>
> (i) Approved by the Administrator for takeoffs and landings, if the visual
> system is adjusted to represent the period described in paragraph (b)(1)
of
> this section; and
>
> (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training
> center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
> [Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103, 62 FR 40898,
July
> 30, 1997; Amdt. 61-106, 64 FR 23529, Apr. 30, 1999; Amdt. 61-109, 68 FR
> 54559, Sept. 17, 2003]
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb"
> <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Unfortunatly civil twilight is still with us. Per FAR 1.1 (as printed
in
> > my 2003 FAR/AIM) "Night means the time between the end of evening civil
> > twilight and the beginning of morning civil twilight, as published in
the
> > American Air Almanac, conveted to local time." This is invoked by FAR
> > 91.205 (c) Visual flight rules (night.) Which starts out with 'For VFR
> > flight at night.....'.
> >
> > I really wish this would go away, sundown to sunset would be so much
> easier
> > than having to teach my students one definition for counting time as
night
> > for proficiency, another for being equipped to fly at night, and yet
> > another for turning the navigation lights on. Student pilots have
enough
> > to master without this little bit of trivia to deal with.
> >
> > As for rotating beacons, my understanding is they are an acceptable
> > substitute for strobes on old airplanes (aircraft for which a type
> > certificate was applied for or obtained prior to August 11,1971.)
However
> > they are not an acceptable for meeting the night requirements on a new
> > airplane. Thus, you are of course more than welcome to put a rotating
> > beacon on an exerimental, it will probably increase safety somewhat over
> > having nothing. However that beacon will not allow you to operate
legally
> > at night.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.airminded.net
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | No anticollision light needed on an experimental |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Kevin and Corky,
I agree that even an anticollision light is not needed. Merely nav lights.
As 91.209 is the only part that applies to the experimental certificated
aircraft, its operator merely has to have the AC light(s) on if it (they) is
(are) installed, subject to the vertigo caveat. Do you agree?
This is a substantial thing to know about. It is like certifying the
homebuilt as an experimental motorglider so you don't need a medical....
Does everybody know that you need to have only a private certificate or
better in ANY category to fly ANY experimentally certificated aircraft e.g.
you can fly any experimental balloon, rotorcraft, airplane, seaplane, and
single or multiengine to boot with just a private glider rating (self
certifying medical)? THe sport pilot NPRM contains proof in the FAA's own
words of this loophole.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb"
<ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
>
> I missed that, good catch. Corky, I agree with Chris, for experimentals
as
> long as the operating limitations do not require you to comply with 91.205
> you can get by with just navigation lights after dark.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Christian Bobka <bobka@compuserve.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 11/22/2003 7:30:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
> >
> > Ah kevin. The light reg in 91 says "sunrise to sunset". It never
> mentions
> > the word "night". Granted night is defined in Part 1 but it applies
> solely
> > to 91.205. Part 91.205 is titled "Powered civil aircraft with
standard
> > category U.S. airworthiness certificates: Instrument and equipment
> > requirements" and the question was about an experimetnal airworthiness
> > certificate, not a standard category airworthiness certificate so we can
> > ignore part 91.205(c) and revert to the "sunrise to sunset" of 91.209.
> >
> > Its good to go back and forth like this becuase this is how you learn
the
> > darn regs!
> >
> > chris
> >
> >
> > 91.209 Aircraft lights.
> >
> >
> > No person may:
> >
> > (a) During the period from sunset to sunrise (or, in Alaska, during the
> > period a prominent unlighted object cannot be seen from a distance of 3
> > statute miles or the sun is more than 6 degrees below the horizon) --
> >
> > (1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights;
> >
> > (2) Park or move an aircraft in, or in dangerous proximity to, a night
> > flight operations area of an airport unless the aircraft --
> >
> > (i) Is clearly illuminated;
> >
> > (ii) Has lighted position lights; or
> >
> > (iii) is in an area that is marked by obstruction lights;
> >
> > (3) Anchor an aircraft unless the aircraft --
> >
> > (i) Has lighted anchor lights; or
> >
> > (ii) Is in an area where anchor lights are not required on vessels; or
> >
> > (b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
> system,
> > unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision
> > lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
> > because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety
to
> > turn the lights off.
> >
> > [Doc. No. 27806, 61 FR 5171, Feb. 9, 1996]
> >
> >
> > 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
> >
> >
> > (a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this
> > section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying
> > passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight
> > crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three
> > landings within the preceding 90 days, and --
> >
> > (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
> >
> > (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of
> the
> > same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if
the
> > aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs and
> > landings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a
> tailwheel.
> >
> > (2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of
> this
> > section, a person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft under day
> VFR
> > or day IFR, provided no persons or property are carried on board the
> > aircraft, other than those necessary for the conduct of the flight.
> >
> > (3) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
section
> > may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device that
> > is --
> >
> > (i) Approved by the Administrator for landings; and
> >
> > (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training
> > center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
> >
> > (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided in
> > paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of
an
> > aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning 1 hour after
> sunset
> > and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within the preceding 90 days
that
> > person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full
stop
> > during the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before
> > sunrise, and --
> >
> > (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
> >
> > (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of
> the
> > same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required).
> >
> > (2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this
section
> > may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is --
> >
> > (i) Approved by the Administrator for takeoffs and landings, if the
visual
> > system is adjusted to represent the period described in paragraph (b)(1)
> of
> > this section; and
> >
> > (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training
> > center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
> >
> > [Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103, 62 FR 40898,
> July
> > 30, 1997; Amdt. 61-106, 64 FR 23529, Apr. 30, 1999; Amdt. 61-109, 68 FR
> > 54559, Sept. 17, 2003]
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nav lghts on a Piet
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb"
> > <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > Unfortunatly civil twilight is still with us. Per FAR 1.1 (as printed
> in
> > > my 2003 FAR/AIM) "Night means the time between the end of evening
civil
> > > twilight and the beginning of morning civil twilight, as published in
> the
> > > American Air Almanac, conveted to local time." This is invoked by FAR
> > > 91.205 (c) Visual flight rules (night.) Which starts out with 'For VFR
> > > flight at night.....'.
> > >
> > > I really wish this would go away, sundown to sunset would be so much
> > easier
> > > than having to teach my students one definition for counting time as
> night
> > > for proficiency, another for being equipped to fly at night, and yet
> > > another for turning the navigation lights on. Student pilots have
> enough
> > > to master without this little bit of trivia to deal with.
> > >
> > > As for rotating beacons, my understanding is they are an acceptable
> > > substitute for strobes on old airplanes (aircraft for which a type
> > > certificate was applied for or obtained prior to August 11,1971.)
> However
> > > they are not an acceptable for meeting the night requirements on a new
> > > airplane. Thus, you are of course more than welcome to put a rotating
> > > beacon on an exerimental, it will probably increase safety somewhat
over
> > > having nothing. However that beacon will not allow you to operate
> legally
> > > at night.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > www.airminded.net
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Lights on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Boy, did we open a can of snakes on this subject. I've finalized my future
plans to lay the wires and any future owner can light it if he or she desires.
End of that problem
Corky in La bracing for this expected cold front.
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| Subject: | interchange manual |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Pieters,
The interchange manual that Baldy and Dave have kindly made available to us is
dated back in the 40's somewhere. It predates the O-200 and O-300 so no references
are even made to them as they didn't exist yet although they are important
members of the family. Also, many part numbers have been superceded by updated
parts. The point is that you must use it with caution! It is quite a tool
thought for understanding the A and C series engines and how stuff interrelates,
especially the discussion on camshafts and lifter bodies that must be compatible
with each other!
Chris Bobka
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| Subject: | Sun'n'Fun forums |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
Pieters -
I have received the following from Bob Curtis regarding forum reservations
at Sun'N'Fun:
"Doc: I have you down for Wed. 10 am in tent 9 and Sat. 11 am in tent 9 also."
This gives us space for two forums, one a the beginning of the week, the
other on the weekend. Both are at prime times, so we get good attendance.
Now all we have to do is line up who will be doing what. Several of you
have already said you could participate. Please reply off line to confirm
which day you want to present your
10 to 12 minutes, and what your subject will be. I will gather this info
and let everyone know what the forums will each be.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
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| Subject: | Emailing: eBayISAPI |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I dont know if this forward will work with the list, but I saw this A-7 mag switch
on e-bay. It's a nice one for a Piet
Dick N
Your files are attached and ready to send with this message.
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| Subject: | Re: Rnager upright conversion |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
Chris, If you don't get any other responses on your upright Ranger query,
see if you can get in contact with Al Ball at Santa Paula. You may know of him.
He is a Ranger engine guru and rebuilder located on the airport. I do not have
his address or phone, but it should not be too hard to find. I think his
operation is called Antique Engine Rebuilders. Maybe one of the other listers has
this info ??? Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: Rnager upright conversion |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Thanks, Don, I will have to make a trip out there to visit. I will track
him down.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: <Waytogopiet@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rnager upright conversion
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
>
> Chris, If you don't get any other responses on your upright Ranger query,
> see if you can get in contact with Al Ball at Santa Paula. You may know of
him.
> He is a Ranger engine guru and rebuilder located on the airport. I do not
have
> his address or phone, but it should not be too hard to find. I think his
> operation is called Antique Engine Rebuilders. Maybe one of the other
listers has
> this info ??? Don Hicks
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
My newly overhauled engine runs good using a borrowed Stromberg carb. Cranks with
one or two props. But when I put MY carburetor (also a Stromberg) on it it
will not run on cylinder number three. I've re-checked the mag timing, compression
is 80/75 to 80/71 on all 4. New exhaust valves. Lapped intake valves.
The intake tubes and hoses are new, the valves all close right, all new gaskets.
The cylinders were done by an A&P so I do not have an concerns with the
cylinders. I actually swapped the offending cylinder 3 with cylinder 1 and the
problem stayed on number 3. I have brand spanking new Slick Mags and new plugs.
I would have assumed that a carb problem would have affected all 4 cylinders the
same. Have you guys ever heard of anything like this? I have cleaned the carb
(soaked it) and inspected it - I don't see any problems.
It makes GREAT power with the borrowed carb and all four cyls get hot as a firecracker.
But with my carb, number three stays cold as a clam.
I"ve been scratching my head on this one.
Who would you all recommend to send the carb to for overhaul?.
Bert
www.bconoly.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Fir lumber source |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
Scattergun question to all within range:
I'm looking for a source of top quality fir to use instead of spruce.
Do any of you have a source you've used (and found reputable) that you
can share with me?
Many thanks,
Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: Fir lumber source |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JamesJboyer@aol.com
HI, don't know where you are but Mead and Clark Lumber in Santa Rosa Ca has
good selection of very clear Doug. Fir. This is what my Piet is made of
entirely.
Cheers, Jim
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Bert,
Carb doesn't know what cyl it's sending fuel/air to.
Doesn't sound like the carb to me.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly"
<bconoly@earthlink.net>
>
> My newly overhauled engine runs good using a borrowed Stromberg carb.
Cranks with one or two props. But when I put MY carburetor (also a
Stromberg) on it it will not run on cylinder number three. I've re-checked
the mag timing, compression is 80/75 to 80/71 on all 4. New exhaust valves.
Lapped intake valves. The intake tubes and hoses are new, the valves all
close right, all new gaskets. The cylinders were done by an A&P so I do not
have an concerns with the cylinders. I actually swapped the offending
cylinder 3 with cylinder 1 and the problem stayed on number 3. I have brand
spanking new Slick Mags and new plugs.
>
> I would have assumed that a carb problem would have affected all 4
cylinders the same. Have you guys ever heard of anything like this? I have
cleaned the carb (soaked it) and inspected it - I don't see any problems.
>
> It makes GREAT power with the borrowed carb and all four cyls get hot as a
firecracker.
>
> But with my carb, number three stays cold as a clam.
> I"ve been scratching my head on this one.
>
> Who would you all recommend to send the carb to for overhaul?.
>
> Bert
> www.bconoly.tripod.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fir lumber source |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
It would be helpful to know where you are located. In most ares of the
country, good quality Douglas fir is available at lumber yards. Fine
quality tight grain is used for T&G flooring.. Also when looking in bins of
regular 2x4's you willl notice they are designated SPF. That stands for
Spruce, Pine, Fir. If you know what you are looking for that is the
cheapest place. Fir has a reddish color and has a distintive smell.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fir lumber source
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
>
> Scattergun question to all within range:
>
> I'm looking for a source of top quality fir to use instead of spruce.
> Do any of you have a source you've used (and found reputable) that you
> can share with me?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Dick Carden
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fir lumber source |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
If you are in the Pacific Northwest, Fir is plentiful, and Yellow Cedar
also an option. YC is far less prone to splitting, bends beautifully,
and smells great. Also totally bug-resistant and rot resistant!!
Richard Navratil wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> It would be helpful to know where you are located. In most ares of the
> country, good quality Douglas fir is available at lumber yards. Fine
> quality tight grain is used for T&G flooring.. Also when looking in bins of
> regular 2x4's you willl notice they are designated SPF. That stands for
> Spruce, Pine, Fir. If you know what you are looking for that is the
> cheapest place. Fir has a reddish color and has a distintive smell.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fir lumber source
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
> >
> > Scattergun question to all within range:
> >
> > I'm looking for a source of top quality fir to use instead of spruce.
> > Do any of you have a source you've used (and found reputable) that you
> > can share with me?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Dick Carden
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Ranger upright conversion |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" <wd6bor@vom.com>
Chris,
Contact Leo Opdycke, publisher of World War I Aero, for a reprint of the
Ranger conversion use on many WWI replicas. The address is:
WWI Aero
15 Crescent Road
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
Good luck,
Darrel Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>; "chilton" <chilton_DW1@yahoogroups.com>;
"Doc Mosher" <docshop@tds.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Ranger upright conversion
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> Has anyone ever come across any information about converting a Ranger
engine into an upright configuration?
>
> chris bobka
>
>
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