---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/24/03: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - Re: Rnager upright conversion (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:33 AM - [PLEASE READ!] "What's my Contribution used for?" (Matt Dralle) 3. 07:43 AM - Fw: NEW ORLEANS CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION (Isablcorky@aol.com) 4. 09:32 AM - floats (Richard Navratil) 5. 09:54 AM - Re: Good Fuselage?? (Hubbard, Eugene) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: floats (Gadd, Skip) 7. 11:17 AM - deer at night (Robert Haines) 8. 11:57 AM - Re: deer at night (Christian Bobka) 9. 12:03 PM - Re: A-65 question (w b evans) 10. 12:29 PM - Re: A-65 question (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 01:01 PM - Re: deer at night (Eric Williams) 12. 02:54 PM - Tailwheel for sale..... (Jim Markle) 13. 04:07 PM - Re: Tailwheel for sale..... (Christian Bobka) 14. 05:02 PM - Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. (Christian Bobka) 15. 06:01 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. (TomTravis@aol.com) 16. 06:06 PM - Re: floats (Richard Navratil) 17. 06:28 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. (Richard Navratil) 18. 06:30 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. (Richard Navratil) 19. 06:42 PM - Re: A-65 question (Richard Navratil) 20. 07:02 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. (Richard Navratil) 21. 07:05 PM - Re: A-65 question (Rcaprd@aol.com) 22. 07:41 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. (Christian Bobka) 23. 09:00 PM - Re: inspection (Christian Bobka) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:26 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rnager upright conversion --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Check with old car racing guys. I remember in the 50's there was this guy in Victoria who was converting them for car racing. He had to turn them over. At the time I thought it was sacrilegious to do such a thing so never found out any details. ClifSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rnager upright conversion > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com > > Chris, If you don't get any other responses on your upright Ranger query, > see if you can get in contact with Al Ball at Santa Paula. You may know of him. > He is a Ranger engine guru and rebuilder located on the airport. I do not have > his address or phone, but it should not be too hard to find. I think his > operation is called Antique Engine Rebuilders. Maybe one of the other listers has > this info ??? Don Hicks > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:47 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: [PLEASE READ!] "What's my Contribution used for?" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, A few Listers have asked me recently, "What's my Contribution used for?", and that's a valid question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List Browser. It pays for 15+ years worth of on line archive data available for instant random access. 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Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:34 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: NEW ORLEANS CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com In a message dated 11/24/2003 9:28:12 AM Central Standard Time, ttoelle@eaa.org writes: Any of you nawtherners want to pass a good time yes read the following Corky in nawthern La > Subj: NEW ORLEANS CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION > Date: 11/24/2003 9:28:12 AM Central Standard Time > From: ttoelle@eaa.org > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi Gang, > > Well, ten down - one to go. Our November event was at the St. John the > Baptist Airport in Reserve. They finally got a really nice weather day > after several years of weather difficulties. I don't have an official > count but I would guess around 70-75 airplanes attended and they flew around > 45 > Young Eagles. I saw a lot of smiles on a lot of faces. President Harold > Miller and his Chapter 971 volunteers did a great job with organizing and > running the fly-in. The food was great as usual. Head cook Darrel Louque > cooked 50% more jambalaya than last year and it was all consumed in no > time. > Thanks to everyone for their hard work, including our very cooperative > Airport Manager Rick Moran, and to all the pilots that took the time to > fly over. They had a great time and because of their attendance we all had > a > great time. Here is the link to the pictures. > > http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b35405f56598 > > We will be gathering one more time for this Centennial year at Lakefront > Airport on December 13th for the grand finale. It is great to see the > 99's participate in a big way to make this event even bigger and better. > There > is also another group putting on the Pan American Air Races that weekend > (Friday-Sunday) for 1930's era biplanes which is another added attraction. > That is what this series was all about - to pull the Louisiana aviation > community together and to show aviation to the general public. You just > have to attend so that we can show aviation people all over the United > States that Louisiana knows how to celebrate the Centennial of Flight in > their typical big way. Here are the details: > > NEW ORLEANS CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION > > SATURDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2003 > > NEW ORLEANS LAKEFRONT AIRPORT > > All aircraft welcome, Homebuilt's, Helicopters, Ultra light's, Antique & > Vintage > > Plaques will be awarded in various categories > Military Aircraft and War birds on Static Display > > Fuel Discount of $0.25 per gallon at GAC > Overnight Rates at Holiday Inn Express-$49.00 > > Official Sponsor Lancair > PANCAKE BREAKFAST: 8:00AM-10: 30AM; $5.00-ALL YOU CAN EAT > > HANGAR PARTY: "TAYLOR HANGAR" Catered dinner-Cash Bar -& DJ 7::00 > PM-11:00 PM by: New Orleans Chapter 99s > > Aviation Costume Contest > > Tickets: $15.00 (RSVP by December 1, 2003) > Door Prizes > For Advanced tickets: Contact Vickie Goodbee (Day) 504-486-8299 > (Night) 504-486-4825 or email: Vickie@midcitybusiness.com > www. Propclear.com > For more information: Contact Terry Bounds (504) 282-2237 > > Just to whet your appetite a little and to entice you to attend the > Centennial Celebration at Lakefront on December 13, here is the menu for > that night's party, Lisa Cotham has furnished us with the menu for the > Hangar Party... > > Crawfish tarts > Shrimp Alfredo > Crab and corn soup > Cocktail meatballs > Artichoke balls > Mini muffulletas > Hot crab dip > Fruit, cheese, and relish tray > Spinach/artichoke dip > Shrimp salad > Roasted pork tenderloin > Desserts > > There will be a cash bar, a DJ, and door prizes. Cost is $15 per person > in advance, $20 at the door. Also, prizes for the year-long fly-in series > will be given out by EAA. We do hope you will a) join us and b) help get > the > word out. > > Hope to see you there! > > Lisa Cotham > New Orleans 99s > > Because of the complexity of the events they are planning, New Orleans EAA > Chapter 261 President Terry Bounds has asked that everyone who plans to > attend the event(s) e-mail him at terry_bounds@yahoo.com or call > (504)282-2237, if possible. Their caterer has requested a head count by > December 1st for planning purposes, but they will welcome last minute > drop-ins. They would also like to have a count of aircraft plus the type > so they can do a rough parking plan (this event is open to the public). > > Everyone that registers at this event gets one entry to a year-end drawing > for merchandise or services donated by our sponsors (the drawings will > take place at the hangar party). Sponsors include Pride Aviation, Brignac > Aviation, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co., Rans Aircraft, Van's > Aircraft, Angel Flight, EAA, Lancair and Exxon Elite Aviation Oil. > > > Remember, we are using the Propclear Website as our official information > and communication site for the Fly-in series and all of the other events. > Please check the calendar and the discussion board routinely. We are already > putting in event dates for our 2004 Louisiana Fly-in Series so be sure to > check those out. Here is the address... > http://www.propclear.com/ > > Please share this note with all of your aviation friends. > For further information, please contact the series coordinator Jim Riviere > at 225-869-3481 or email rivierja@cox.net > > > > > > Subject: NEW ORLEANS CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION From: "Troy Toelle" Hi Gang, Well, ten down - one to go. Our November event was at the St. John the Baptist Airport in Reserve. They finally got a really nice weather day after several years of weather difficulties. I don't have an official count but I would guess around 70-75 airplanes attended and they flew around 45 Young Eagles. I saw a lot of smiles on a lot of faces. President Harold Miller and his Chapter 971 volunteers did a great job with organizing and running the fly-in. The food was great as usual. Head cook Darrel Louque cooked 50% more jambalaya than last year and it was all consumed in no time. Thanks to everyone for their hard work, including our very cooperative Airport Manager Rick Moran, and to all the pilots that took the time to fly over. They had a great time and because of their attendance we all had=20a great time. Here is the link to the pictures. http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i67b0de21b35405f56598 We will be gathering one more time for this Centennial year at Lakefront Airport on December 13th for the grand finale. It is great to see the 99's participate in a big way to make this event even bigger and better. There is also another group putting on the Pan American Air Races that weekend (Friday-Sunday) for 1930's era biplanes which is another added attraction. That is what this series was all about - to pull the Louisiana aviation community together and to show aviation to the general public. You just have to attend so that we can show aviation people all over the United States that Louisiana knows how to celebrate the Centennial of Flight in their typical big way. Here are the details: NEW ORLEANS CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION SATURDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2003 NEW ORLEANS LAKEFRONT AIRPORT All aircraft welcome, Homebuilt's, Helicopters, Ultra light's, Antique & Vintage Plaques will be awarded in various categories Military Aircraft and War birds on Static Display Fuel Discount of $0.25 per gallon at GAC Overnight Rates at Holiday Inn Express-$49.00 Official Sponsor Lancair PANCAKE BREAKFAST: 8:00AM-10: 30AM; $5.00-ALL YOU CAN EAT HANGAR PARTY: "TAYLOR HANGAR" Catered dinner-Cash Bar -& DJ 7::00 PM-11:00 PM by: New Orleans Chapter 99s Aviation Costume Contest Tickets: $15.00 (RSVP by December 1, 2003) Door Prizes For Advanced tickets: Contact Vickie Goodbee (Day) 504-486-8299 (Night) 504-486-4825 or email: Vickie@midcitybusiness.com www. Propclear.com For more information: Contact Terry Bounds (504) 282-2237 Just to whet your appetite a little and to entice you to attend the Centennial Celebration at Lakefront on December 13, here is the menu for that night's party, Lisa Cotham has furnished us with the menu for the Hangar Party... Crawfish tarts Shrimp Alfredo Crab and corn soup Cocktail meatballs Artichoke balls Mini muffulletas Hot crab dip Fruit, cheese, and relish tray Spinach/artichoke dip Shrimp salad Roasted pork tenderloin Desserts There will be a cash bar, a DJ, and door prizes. Cost is $15 per person in advance, $20 at the door. Also, prizes for the year-long fly-in series will be given out by EAA. We do hope you will a) join us and b) help get the word out. Hope to see you there! Lisa Cotham New Orleans 99s Because of the complexity of the events they are planning, New Orleans EAA Chapter 261 President Terry Bounds has asked that everyone who plans to attend the event(s) e-mail him at terry_bounds@yahoo.com or call (504)282-2237, if possible. Their caterer has requested a head count by December 1st for planning purposes, but they will welcome last minute drop-ins. They would also like to have a count of aircraft plus the type so they can do a rough parking plan (this event is open to the public). Everyone that registers at this event gets one entry to a year-end drawing for merchandise or services donated by our sponsors (the drawings will take place at the hangar party). Sponsors include Pride Aviation, Brignac Aviation, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co., Rans Aircraft, Van's Aircraft, Angel Flight, EAA, Lancair and Exxon Elite Aviation Oil. Remember, we are using the Propclear Website as our official information and communication site for the Fly-in series and all of the other events. Please check the calendar and the discussion board routinely. We are already putting in event dates for our 2004 Louisiana Fly-in Series so be sure to check those out. Here is the address... http://www.propclear.com/ Please share this note with all of your aviation friends. For further information, please contact the series coordinator Jim Riviere at 225-869-3481 or email rivierja@cox.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:36 AM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deleted accidently. Thanks Dick N. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:14 AM PST US From: "Hubbard, Eugene" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good Fuselage?? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" Eric, First the disclaimer: I'm not a structural engineer, and I haven't run the numbers for the Piet fuselage. I do understand a lot of the physics involved. I built my Piet fuselage 1 inch spruce longerons. You're calculations are correct, at least for tensile strength. Stiffness depends on dimension squared, and goes down even faster. There's a MIL-SPEC on spruce--I don't have the number handy, but someone on the list probably does. It lists substitution recommendations for other woods, including Douglas fir. On the other hand, there seems to be a general consensus that the Piet is overbuilt. You could check into the construction used for other wood planes to get a feeling for what is done. The only data point I (think) I remember is that I've seen an Ospery I amphibian that appeared to be built of 3/4 inch fir. Doublers seem like an interesting idea. If I were going to do it that way, I'd think about 8 long strips on the outsides of the corners, over the gussets, with filler blocks between the gussets. 1/8 inch Douglas fir over 1/8 inch filler would probably bring your strength back to nominal. Stiffness would (probably) be better than using 1" spruce. I'd worry a bit about using a spruce doubler over Douglas Fir because of a difference in stiffness (Young's modulus to be specific). Let us know how you decide to go. Gene Hubbard San Diego -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williams [mailto:ewilliams805@msn.com] Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Fuselage?? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" Hi everyone. This is my first posting to this list (although Ive been lurking for a while) and I have a situation that I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions on. While at Oshkosh this year, a very good friend of mine, who has too many airplanes in various stages of repair, offered to give me a Piet project that he had acquired several years ago from a friend of his (the builder). I picked up the project this past weekend and it consists of a completed fuselage structure with the plywood skin on the forward half and the floor, a complete set of wing ribs, and a complete set of tail surfaces. The workmanship on the project looks to be acceptable however, one thing that bothered me was the longerons and the other fuselage members appeared to be small in cross-section. The builder happened to stop by while we were loading it all onto my trailer. He said that he had used douglas fir and since his research proved to him that fir was 25% stronger than spruce, he had reduced the dimensions of the members by 25% (from 1" to 3/4"). The problem with this line of thinking, as I see it, is that when you multiply 3/4" by 3/4" you end up with 0.56 square inches as the cross-sectional area of the wood that was used, as compared to 1.00 square inch in a 1" x 1" member. That means the longerons in my fuselage actually contain 44% less material than had they been built using 1x1 stock. I would sincerely appreciate any thoughts you all might have as to the usability of this fuselage. I should say that it "feels" strong and I did sit in it while it was supported at the approximate landing gear points and there appeared to be no deflection or creaking at all (there were a few engine noises made however). I also wonder if I might be able to epoxy some 1/4" strips to the various members for added strength? The builder said he had used West System epoxy to construct it. Thanks for your input. Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:31 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Dick, http://www.ultralightfloats.com/ Btw, I like both ideas on what to build next S&F woodshop, which do you need first. Skip >Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deleted accidently. Thanks > >Dick N. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:01 AM PST US From: "Robert Haines" Subject: Pietenpol-List: deer at night --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" Corky, Since you have been considering adding lights to Repiet, I've got a story for you. This happened to me as I was doing some night flying ten years ago or so. My brother just asked by email about this so I had the story all typed up.... I was doing touch-and-goes at dusk and had just landed, pulled the flaps back in, was at full throttle, and saw a herd of deer running at me from the left. I knew they were in my path but I was going to fast to stop, to slow to fly, and turning's not much of an option on a runway. I met the herd and struck one with the nose of the plane. I had seen her coming and new I was going to hit and for a fraction of a second, I saw her as bright as can be in the landing light before impact. When she hit, the light went out and with the exception of the runway edge lights, I was in darkness. The deer went through the prop and between the nose wheel and the right main wheel and hit the wing root as I went by. I got pretty lucky: I could have hit her with the end of the wing and that would have spun me around, not a wise move at that speed; she could have taken out either the front wheel, the right main, or both, again not a good thing at that speed; or she could have jumped and I could have hit her with the windshield and that would have been the end of me. My training immediately kicked in and the emergency checklist just drove my next actions... fly (or drive in this case) the plane, kill engine, coast off runway and call tower to close that runway, shut off electrics in aircraft (so to not start a fire), get out of the plane (in case there is a fire). It wasn't until I was out of the plane a half a minute or so did my adrenalin kick in. I also had my flashlight in hand and was able to look at the damage... the whole left side of the plane was coated red... puts a new meaning to prop-wash. The first time I told that story was to a group of friend at a bar. When I was finished, I guy standing in an adjacent group leaned over and asked "are you Robert Haines", I said "yes", and he said "I cleaned up your deer!" He proceeded to tell the rest of the story as he was part of the airport maintenance crew that got to drive out and shovel the runway clean. It was one of the best beer drinking stories that we ever told. I've hit two deer in my life, one with a Plymouth, one with a Piper. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:10 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: deer at night --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Is it a beer drinking story or a deer brinking story? Chris do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Haines" Subject: Pietenpol-List: deer at night > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > Corky, > > Since you have been considering adding lights to Repiet, I've got a story > for you. This happened to me as I was doing some night flying ten years ago > or so. My brother just asked by email about this so I had the story all > typed up.... > > > I was doing touch-and-goes at dusk and had just landed, pulled the flaps > back in, was at full throttle, and saw a herd of deer running at me from the > left. I knew they were in my path but I was going to fast to stop, to slow > to fly, and turning's not much of an option on a runway. I met the herd and > struck one with the nose of the plane. I had seen her coming and new I was > going to hit and for a fraction of a second, I saw her as bright as can be > in the landing light before impact. When she hit, the light went out and > with the exception of the runway edge lights, I was in darkness. The deer > went through the prop and between the nose wheel and the right main wheel > and hit the wing root as I went by. > > I got pretty lucky: I could have hit her with the end of the wing and that > would have spun me around, not a wise move at that speed; she could have > taken out either the front wheel, the right main, or both, again not a good > thing at that speed; or she could have jumped and I could have hit her with > the windshield and that would have been the end of me. > > My training immediately kicked in and the emergency checklist just drove my > next actions... fly (or drive in this case) the plane, kill engine, coast > off runway and call tower to close that runway, shut off electrics in > aircraft (so to not start a fire), get out of the plane (in case there is a > fire). It wasn't until I was out of the plane a half a minute or so did my > adrenalin kick in. I also had my flashlight in hand and was able to look at > the damage... the whole left side of the plane was coated red... puts a new > meaning to prop-wash. > > The first time I told that story was to a group of friend at a bar. When I > was finished, I guy standing in an adjacent group leaned over and asked "are > you Robert Haines", I said "yes", and he said "I cleaned up your deer!" He > proceeded to tell the rest of the story as he was part of the airport > maintenance crew that got to drive out and shovel the runway clean. It was > one of the best beer drinking stories that we ever told. > > I've hit two deer in my life, one with a Plymouth, one with a Piper. > > > Robert Haines > Du Quoin, Illinois > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:30 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Bert, A light just went on after thinking about this. A friend had a newly overhauled O200 that ran rough and had a cold cylinder. Our Mentor put his finger right on it,,,had one of the cork intake tube gaskets folded and sucking in air. Got a feeling that you have the same thing, but maybe a very small leak. When you use the borrowed carb, and it runs, maybe the idle mixture screw is adjusted very rich so the cyl will still fire even though it's getting some extra air. When you use yours, your mixture could be set on the very lean side so with the extra comming in it's just enough to not fire. If the "bad" carb is still on the engine, richen the idle way up and try it again. If that's it, look for an intake leak. You should find a bad spot with a light and one of those small dental mirrors. Let us know. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > My newly overhauled engine runs good using a borrowed Stromberg carb. Cranks with one or two props. But when I put MY carburetor (also a Stromberg) on it it will not run on cylinder number three. I've re-checked the mag timing, compression is 80/75 to 80/71 on all 4. New exhaust valves. Lapped intake valves. The intake tubes and hoses are new, the valves all close right, all new gaskets. The cylinders were done by an A&P so I do not have an concerns with the cylinders. I actually swapped the offending cylinder 3 with cylinder 1 and the problem stayed on number 3. I have brand spanking new Slick Mags and new plugs. > > I would have assumed that a carb problem would have affected all 4 cylinders the same. Have you guys ever heard of anything like this? I have cleaned the carb (soaked it) and inspected it - I don't see any problems. > > It makes GREAT power with the borrowed carb and all four cyls get hot as a firecracker. > > But with my carb, number three stays cold as a clam. > I"ve been scratching my head on this one. > > Who would you all recommend to send the carb to for overhaul?. > > Bert > www.bconoly.tripod.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:20 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Bert, Had lunch today with an aviation type and I threw your problem at him. He took a few bites, chewed, sipped a little beer and came up with a possibility. Rare, very rare, but it might be it. He says, " the only way that #3 could be starved other than manifold blockage is for the jet in the center of the venturi to have been bent slightly thereby depriving #3 of fuel. Rare but maybe. Corsky in La drinking hot beer on a cold day ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:33 PM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: deer at night --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" Man! Chris barely beat me to the "deer drinking story" comment. It just fits so well. >From: "Robert Haines" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: deer at night >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:16:29 -0600 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > >Corky, > >Since you have been considering adding lights to Repiet, I've got a story >for you. This happened to me as I was doing some night flying ten years >ago >or so. My brother just asked by email about this so I had the story all >typed up.... > > >I was doing touch-and-goes at dusk and had just landed, pulled the flaps >back in, was at full throttle, and saw a herd of deer running at me from >the >left. I knew they were in my path but I was going to fast to stop, to slow >to fly, and turning's not much of an option on a runway. I met the herd >and >struck one with the nose of the plane. I had seen her coming and new I was >going to hit and for a fraction of a second, I saw her as bright as can be >in the landing light before impact. When she hit, the light went out and >with the exception of the runway edge lights, I was in darkness. The deer >went through the prop and between the nose wheel and the right main wheel >and hit the wing root as I went by. > >I got pretty lucky: I could have hit her with the end of the wing and that >would have spun me around, not a wise move at that speed; she could have >taken out either the front wheel, the right main, or both, again not a good >thing at that speed; or she could have jumped and I could have hit her with >the windshield and that would have been the end of me. > >My training immediately kicked in and the emergency checklist just drove my >next actions... fly (or drive in this case) the plane, kill engine, coast >off runway and call tower to close that runway, shut off electrics in >aircraft (so to not start a fire), get out of the plane (in case there is a >fire). It wasn't until I was out of the plane a half a minute or so did my >adrenalin kick in. I also had my flashlight in hand and was able to look >at >the damage... the whole left side of the plane was coated red... puts a new >meaning to prop-wash. > >The first time I told that story was to a group of friend at a bar. When I >was finished, I guy standing in an adjacent group leaned over and asked >"are >you Robert Haines", I said "yes", and he said "I cleaned up your deer!" He >proceeded to tell the rest of the story as he was part of the airport >maintenance crew that got to drive out and shovel the runway clean. It was >one of the best beer drinking stories that we ever told. > >I've hit two deer in my life, one with a Plymouth, one with a Piper. > > >Robert Haines >Du Quoin, Illinois > > Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:54 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel for sale..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I've decided to build a "conventional" Pietenpol tail wheel and not use the leaf spring/6" solid steerable wheel I have. Although I would prefer a trade of a more "to the plans" tailwheel assembly, I would sell what I have for $100 plus shipping..... I believe the wheel and spring are the following: From the Sept 2003 Wag Aero catalog: Wheel: page 32. Cat No D-203-000 ($146.50 retail) Spring: page 31 Cat No D-295-000 ($46.30) From Aircraft Spruce 2000-2001 catalog : Cat No 06-01615 ($138.00 retail) Cat No 06-14200 ($72.00) Pictures on request (offline please)....... Jim in Plano, just sitting here staring at how nice my powder coating turned out! Wow, powder coating's the ticket!! I have an HVLP setup, but start to finish with that process is a couple hours minimum (and a lot of nasty cleanup). Start to finish with powder coating (8-10 small parts) is less than an hour......WAY COOL!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:42 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel for sale..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Like I said in my Powdercoating article, Jim, it is the only way to go. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel for sale..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > I've decided to build a "conventional" Pietenpol tail wheel and not use the > leaf spring/6" solid steerable wheel I have. > > Although I would prefer a trade of a more "to the plans" tailwheel assembly, > I would sell what I have for $100 plus shipping..... > > I believe the wheel and spring are the following: > > From the Sept 2003 Wag Aero catalog: > Wheel: page 32. Cat No D-203-000 ($146.50 retail) > Spring: page 31 Cat No D-295-000 ($46.30) > > From Aircraft Spruce 2000-2001 catalog : > Cat No 06-01615 ($138.00 retail) > Cat No 06-14200 ($72.00) > > Pictures on request (offline please)....... > > Jim in Plano, just sitting here staring at how nice my powder coating turned > out! Wow, powder coating's the ticket!! I have an HVLP setup, but start to > finish with that process is a couple hours minimum (and a lot of nasty > cleanup). Start to finish with powder coating (8-10 small parts) is less > than an hour......WAY COOL!!!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:09 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" "pietenpol" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Navigation problem I need help with. Could someone tackle this problem for me..I'm not sure if I have the correct answer. "While maintaining a magnetic heading of 270 degrees and a true airspeed of 120 knots, the 360 radial of a VOR is crossed at 1237 and the 350 radial is crossed at 1244. The approximate time and distance to this station are: a) 42 minutes and 84 NM b) 42 minutes and 91 NM c) 44 minutes and 96 NM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:05 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com I think it's (A). 42 minutes and 84nm. Time to station =Time for Bearing Change(minutes) X60 divided by 10. Time to station = 7X60 = 420/10 = 42. Distance to station = Time to station (minutes) X TAS divided by bearing change. Distance to station = ( 7 minutes) X TAS / 10 = 84. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:18 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floats --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Thanks Skip. aaai actually need the wings first, but I remember being a little let down building last time. I looked forward to it for so long and the assembly went so fast. The floats would be a new challange. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floats > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" > > Dick, > > http://www.ultralightfloats.com/ > > Btw, I like both ideas on what to build next S&F woodshop, which do you need > first. > Skip > > > >Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deleted > accidently. Thanks > > > >Dick N. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:47 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Hi Chris I'll give it a try. minutes to station=time in seconds divided bynumber of degrees 7x60=420 __________ = 42 mi. 10 Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Navigation problem I need help with. > > > Could someone tackle this problem for me..I'm not sure if I have the correct answer. > > "While maintaining a magnetic heading of 270 degrees and a true airspeed of 120 knots, the 360 radial of a VOR is crossed at 1237 and the 350 radial is crossed at 1244. The approximate time and distance to this station are: > > a) 42 minutes and 84 NM > b) 42 minutes and 91 NM > c) 44 minutes and 96 NM > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:31 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Correction on my last. Should read 42 minutes not mi. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Navigation problem I need help with. > > > Could someone tackle this problem for me..I'm not sure if I have the correct answer. > > "While maintaining a magnetic heading of 270 degrees and a true airspeed of 120 knots, the 360 radial of a VOR is crossed at 1237 and the 350 radial is crossed at 1244. The approximate time and distance to this station are: > > a) 42 minutes and 84 NM > b) 42 minutes and 91 NM > c) 44 minutes and 96 NM > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:43 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Hey Bert I would highly recommend Bolduc Aviation here in Minneapolis. Of course its not cheap they did mine. $500 They do lots of them they are a major overhaul facility for engines Their number 763-780-1185 Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > My newly overhauled engine runs good using a borrowed Stromberg carb. Cranks with one or two props. But when I put MY carburetor (also a Stromberg) on it it will not run on cylinder number three. I've re-checked the mag timing, compression is 80/75 to 80/71 on all 4. New exhaust valves. Lapped intake valves. The intake tubes and hoses are new, the valves all close right, all new gaskets. The cylinders were done by an A&P so I do not have an concerns with the cylinders. I actually swapped the offending cylinder 3 with cylinder 1 and the problem stayed on number 3. I have brand spanking new Slick Mags and new plugs. > > I would have assumed that a carb problem would have affected all 4 cylinders the same. Have you guys ever heard of anything like this? I have cleaned the carb (soaked it) and inspected it - I don't see any problems. > > It makes GREAT power with the borrowed carb and all four cyls get hot as a firecracker. > > But with my carb, number three stays cold as a clam. > I"ve been scratching my head on this one. > > Who would you all recommend to send the carb to for overhaul?. > > Bert > www.bconoly.tripod.com > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:54 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" Sorry, I just re-lookd and noticed the distance part of the problem. distance= seconds divided by degrees 420 7 min x 60 = 420sec _____ = 42 42x2mi/min = 84 miles 10 deg. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Navigation problem I need help with. > > > Could someone tackle this problem for me..I'm not sure if I have the correct answer. > > "While maintaining a magnetic heading of 270 degrees and a true airspeed of 120 knots, the 360 radial of a VOR is crossed at 1237 and the 350 radial is crossed at 1244. The approximate time and distance to this station are: > > a) 42 minutes and 84 NM > b) 42 minutes and 91 NM > c) 44 minutes and 96 NM > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:52 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/24/03 2:30:08 PM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: << the only way that #3 could be starved other than manifold blockage is for the jet in the center of the venturi to have been bent slightly thereby depriving #3 of fuel. Rare but maybe. >> Bert, A bent needle in your carb, or maybe the carb was threaded crooked. Look straight down the venturi, and see if the needle is in the center. This is the first thing I thought of. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:51 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Tom, Dick, (and Harry too while I am at it), Thanks for the answers. This was a homework problem for Washburn High School. THe instructor sent it to me because he began to doubt his answer was correct. I think A as well. Just looking at the answers, if you know you are doing 2 miles a minute at 120 kts, then the only answer that allows this is A., chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" > > Hi Chris > I'll give it a try. > minutes to station=time in seconds divided bynumber of degrees > 7x60=420 > __________ = 42 mi. > 10 > > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" > To: "taylorcraft" ; "pietenpol" > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help > with. > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > > > Navigation problem I need help with. > > > > > > Could someone tackle this problem for me..I'm not sure if I have the > correct answer. > > > > "While maintaining a magnetic heading of 270 degrees and a true airspeed > of 120 knots, the 360 radial of a VOR is crossed at 1237 and the 350 radial > is crossed at 1244. The approximate time and distance to this station are: > > > > a) 42 minutes and 84 NM > > b) 42 minutes and 91 NM > > c) 44 minutes and 96 NM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:14 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Dick, Greg and Dale are putting stitts silver on right now. The airplane is down at Stanton. We can get together after sunday. I'll try to drag Greg and/or Dale with me. Exactly where are you? Phone number? Best time? Are we in heated space or do I dress warm? chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: Christian Bobka Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Re: inspection I hope that DAR comes thru for you. How is that project with Greg and Dale coming along? I am almost ready to re-weight and re-do W/B to send in App for airworthyness cert. I have had a couple of NWA A&I's looking things over during the project but a TC would be helpful. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: Richard Navratil Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: inspection Dick, No DAR. They want me to have built and flown an experimental and it needs to fly 100hrs. Besides, FAA just funded the first training class for december 2003 for the DAR-AB where AB stands for amateur built. I am piggy backing on to Greg C.'s and Dale J.'s piet in Burnsville to get to be a builder and we hope to have it inspected in the spring and then fly it all summer so we have 100 hours by next fall and I can turn in the application. I am a Technical counselor and could do a TC inspection. It helps for the DAR's inspection. Most will ask for the TC inspection evidence in your builder's log anyway and it helps with insurance too. Maybe you and greg C. can arrrange for one guy to look at two airplanes for a better price. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: bobka@compuserve.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: inspection Hi Chris Did you ever get your DAR? I am going to need an inspection soon and didn't see you on their list. There doesn't seem to be anyone near the Mpls area. Dick N.