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1. 06:50 AM - Stamps (Franck)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Robert Haines)
3. 08:39 AM - Re: Baffling Baffles (Michael D Cuy)
4. 08:56 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: Baffling Baffles (w b evans)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
7. 09:12 AM - Corky's building problem-- his first wife !!!!!!! (Michael D Cuy)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Jack Phillips)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: w/b (del magsam)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 09:31 AM - wives who fly (Michael D Cuy)
12. 09:37 AM - Dear Corky....... (Michael D Cuy)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Joe Krzes)
14. 09:58 AM - iet list observations (allison waters)
15. 10:01 AM - New Wife, was Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (John Ford)
16. 10:53 AM - Re: iet list observations (w b evans)
17. 10:58 AM - floats (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 11:00 AM - Re: iet list observations (DJ Vegh)
19. 11:36 AM - Re: iet list observations (Eric Williams)
20. 11:56 AM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Barry Davis)
21. 12:13 PM - Re: iet list observations (Barry Davis)
22. 12:34 PM - say our peace, then ignore this guy....... (Michael D Cuy)
23. 12:38 PM - Re: Yo DJ (At7000ft@aol.com)
24. 01:05 PM - Re: Yo DJ (Gadd, Skip)
25. 01:05 PM - Cold #3 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
26. 01:20 PM - Re: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... (Jim Markle)
27. 01:40 PM - Re: w/b (Alex Sloan)
28. 02:13 PM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Alex Sloan)
29. 02:15 PM - Re: w/b (Cy Galley)
30. 02:22 PM - Re: Corky's building problem-- his first wife !!!!!!! (Alex Sloan)
31. 02:33 PM - Re: Yo DJ (DJ Vegh)
32. 02:40 PM - Re: w/b (Alex Sloan)
33. 02:50 PM - Re: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... (Alex Sloan)
34. 03:32 PM - lead in fuel (Jeff Hill)
35. 04:08 PM - Re: lead in fuel (Cy Galley)
36. 05:00 PM - Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems (Kip & Beth Gardner)
37. 05:05 PM - Re: Baffling Baffles (Craig Wilcox)
38. 06:11 PM - Re: iet list observations (Gary Gower)
39. 06:13 PM - Re: iet list observations (Ken & Lisa Rickards)
40. 06:18 PM - Re: w/b (Gary Gower)
41. 06:21 PM - Re: iet list observations (Jack Phillips)
42. 07:11 PM - No more clamps (well, for some things.....) (Jim Markle)
43. 07:19 PM - Re: w/b (Rcaprd@aol.com)
44. 08:04 PM - Re: w/b (Isablcorky@aol.com)
45. 08:53 PM - w/b (Richard Navratil)
46. 09:13 PM - Re: Yo DJ (del magsam)
47. 09:33 PM - Re: iet list observations (Clif Dawson)
48. 09:48 PM - Re: w/b ()
49. 10:16 PM - Re: lead in fuel (Roger & Kathy Green)
50. 11:44 PM - Re:Wife gone?? (Fred Weaver)
51. 11:47 PM - More on wood selection (Clif Dawson)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Franck <franck@geneseo.net>
This is a bit off topic, but if you enjoy customizing your snail mail,
check out this collection of fine, rubber aviation stamps. They even offer
a Pietenpol, (so there is a connection to this group!)
http://www.imaginairdesigns.com/
Enjoy.
Ron Franck
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
And although I type on a lot of keyboard, I started my Pober SuperAce when I
was 26. I started on my Slingshot at 30. And although the SuperAce was
disassembled and the Slingshot wings have become garage decoration, I'm
still one year under 35. I thought I was the young'in 'till DJ came on
board. And yes, I have lofted a wing rib, spilled my glue pot, and burned
my fingers with my oxy-acetelyne torch. :) But to a certain degree, I
agree with Mike a little... today, people don't build and take care of the
things one needs on a daily basis, they just go to WalMart and buy a new
plastic one. So industrial arts and fabrication skills are vanishing and
being replaced with Java programming and web page design ( DJ, I'm ribbing
you here :) ).
The way I see it, you either have to get the plane built when your single
and young, or wait much later in life. Things like kids, wife, house, and
career building somewhat consume the middle part of life.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
Time: 12:27:48 PM PST US
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
just for point of reference.... I'm 29 yrs old. My Piet will be powered
with
my Corvair. I started my project when I was 27.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Fisher
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
you need to right click that video link and choose "save target as" then
save it locally to your hard drive. It will play fine after doing that.
For some reason which I have yet to figure out, some browsers do not like to
play the video even if the proper quicktime codec is installed.
do the save target as and you'll be able to view it.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
Dear Friends,
QuickTime will not allow me to save anything to the hard drive unless I sign
up
for their $30.00 QuickTime Pro package. Since I'd rather spend my money
supporting
programs like the Pietenpol list, I'll probably not be able to view the
Corvair test run. - - Too Bad.
To change the subject, does the Bert Conoly with A-65 problems own Poplar
Piet
N7224X? This is one of the finest examples of an auto engined Pietenpol I
have
ever seen. It is built in the best tradition of equipping a light, strong
airframe
with an easily obtainable American, liquid cooled powerplant. The smart
20 year olds who were building and flying Ford powered Piets in the thirties
are still around, but now they are tapping computer keys instead of lofting
wing ribs and wielding glue pots and Oxy-acetylene torches. It's rare to see
anyone
under 35 flying a plans-built airplane, especially with an auto engine.
Perhaps this will change.
Happy landings, Mike Fisher
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| Subject: | Re: Baffling Baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
My IA, others said no need for those-----just the regular
baffles. Compression is fine, temps during the summer mos. is fine. I
left them off....
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Bob,
As they used to say on the Amos 'n Andy radio show in the thirties, " boy,
did you say a mouthful".
Started a Smith Miniplane in '58. Wife raised hell. Had a welder over on Sat
and she ran his ass off. That's what you call LOVE. Gave up to raise the kids.
Kids are now adults and I begin a Volksplane II. Wife raises more hell. Got
rid of the VP project.
Got rid of the wife. Got a new one. Built a Piet, wife is happy, I finish it
a few month's prior to birthday #80.
Moral of the story; Get the right wife to begin with if you want to build
airplanes.
Corky in La living the good life
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| Subject: | Re: Baffling Baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Craig,
If I remember correctly, his reasoning was that they were necessary in an
enclosed engine config. where, as the air travels from high pressure area
to low past the fins, you can have a "dead" area under the cyls. That is
why you put that "mustasched" shaped baffle under the cyl. bases to shoot
air fore and aft to clear the dead zone.
With mine , the cyls are exposed with eyebrows, and there would be no dead
spots, cause the eyebrows push down and then the free air comming by cools
the undersides.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Craig,
> My mentor said that I didn't need them.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Wilcox" <CRAIGWILCOX@peoplepc.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Wilcox"
> <CRAIGWILCOX@peoplepc.com>
> >
> > Guys -
> >
> > How have most of you affixed your inter-cylinder cooling baffles? The
> little ones that go between the cylinders from the bottom. I have got
mine
> all cut and fitted in place - many bends!, but need to make sure that they
> will not fall out.
> >
> > Thanks -
> > Craig
> > Having fun, enjoying life!
> >
> > Craig Wilcox
> > craigwilcox@peoplepc.com
> >
> >
> > Powered by Plaxo Want a signature like this?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Corky!
YOU ARE A HOOT!! Thanks for being the constant source of inspiration to those
of us who take life too seriously and need to laugh once in a while and have fun
with this hobby and other simple things in life. I am glad you are part of
this group and someday hope we meet!
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Corky's building problem-- his first wife !!!!!!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Corky-- that is just hilarious. Good for you. You got a beauty there in
Isabelle. A dream wife. I didn't even take that chance tho and built
and flew my Piet with NO wife anywhere in sight. Never had to take any
Tums during the whole wonderful process !!!!
Happy Thanksgiving to all you guys out there.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Corky, you sound like me - an AIDS survivor (Aviation Induced Divorce
Syndrome). First wife loved to fly, until she got that ring on her finger.
Three years after the wedding, she told me that either my J-3 had to go, or
she was leaving. Made the wrong choice and sold the airplane (should have
divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 more years of misery). Finally
divorced her, started building the Piet, met and married wife number two
(who loved flying until she got that ring on her finger). Stayed married
for 5 years until she got tired of me spending most of my time building the
airplane and she ran off with an ear-ringed, tattooed, pony-tailed 28 year
old and moved to Seattle with him. Now I'm looking for one who is already a
pilot, preferably with her own airplane.
Jack Phillips
Putting the last touches on the fabric work on NX899JP today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Bob,
As they used to say on the Amos 'n Andy radio show in the thirties, " boy,
did you say a mouthful".
Started a Smith Miniplane in '58. Wife raised hell. Had a welder over on Sat
and she ran his ass off. That's what you call LOVE. Gave up to raise the
kids.
Kids are now adults and I begin a Volksplane II. Wife raises more hell. Got
rid of the VP project.
Got rid of the wife. Got a new one. Built a Piet, wife is happy, I finish it
a few month's prior to birthday #80.
Moral of the story; Get the right wife to begin with if you want to build
airplanes.
Corky in La living the good life
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
If you absolutely do not want to spend the money to rent the official scales, or
can't find any. Heres a thought on using bathroom scales. put a known weight
on them that is close to what you think the weight will be, and then set the
scale to that weight, or take note of what the error is. if its a lot different
than what you thought the weight was going to be, reset it again with known
weights closer to what it is. if you know any racing clubs around there, they
have pretty good scales also.
Del
Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The scale I originally
weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it agreed with my known
weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while standing on it the reading
was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each main and 30 on the
tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of 7.01 The actual weight
turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5.
That error could have been very dangerous.
Now I have to figure out how to deal with this.
Dick
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
If I get anymore of these goodies about airplanes and wives I think I will
contact Doc Mosher about a "Dear Corky" column in the EAA magazine. Would make
for some darn good reading. Might head off some miserable marriages.
Corky, the freedom liver.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
I'd guess that 96% of them DON'T fly..........but if they are dating you
they DO.
This is VERY typical as far as I'm concerned !
Jack.........being single ain't so bad !
Mike C.
Keep building !!!!!
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| Subject: | Dear Corky....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Dear Corky,
How do you know that a woman will put up with your love of building and
flying and......ahem...other things even if you do marry her ? Are there
any guidelines for those on the list looking to marry ? Should they just
marry another guy ? Naw......that's just not right. Your words of wisdom
are like jewels to many of us younger than you.
Wondering what shoes to wear on Thursday (yeah, right !)
Mike
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| Subject: | Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Joe Krzes" <jkrzes@hotmail.com>
Wow, has this thread wandered off topic! Does remind me of a joke...
Have you heard about the food that permanently surpresses a womans sex
drive?
It's called "wedding cake".
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Joe
>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:19:50 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>Corky, you sound like me - an AIDS survivor (Aviation Induced Divorce
>Syndrome). First wife loved to fly, until she got that ring on her finger.
>Three years after the wedding, she told me that either my J-3 had to go, or
>she was leaving. Made the wrong choice and sold the airplane (should have
>divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 more years of misery).
>Finally
>divorced her, started building the Piet, met and married wife number two
>(who loved flying until she got that ring on her finger). Stayed married
>for 5 years until she got tired of me spending most of my time building the
>airplane and she ran off with an ear-ringed, tattooed, pony-tailed 28 year
>old and moved to Seattle with him. Now I'm looking for one who is already
>a
>pilot, preferably with her own airplane.
>
>Jack Phillips
>
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| Subject: | iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: allison waters <awaters25@yahoo.com>
Pieters-
I've been lurking on this list for a while and having built a couple of Piets in
the past I thought I'd share a couple of observations as food for thought.
Pease don't take these musings the wrong way as they are given in the spirit of
helpfulness.
I see that the GN-1 group has it's own website now. That's a really great step
for the Piet guys as they won't have to put up with John Grega's wierd creation
nor help further his (or his heirs) blatant plagerizied version of what is a
wonderful airplane. Piets are Piets just as glassairs are glassairs. You don't
see t-18 builders over-running the RV website on the basis of them being "almost
the same". Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue.
( I believe the PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics
site are to further PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention
of GN-1's)
I've seen a couple of really nicely done but atrociously heavy Piets in the past
year. Why put rotating beacons, nav and landing lights, radios, upholstery or
cover the entire fuselage with PLYWOOD or put on other unnecessary add-ons
that don't contribute one iota of flight capability to a great little airplane?
If you want that kind of stuff, go buy a 150 or build a Deuce. Building an airplane
should not be an excercise in seeing how high you can get your empty weight!
There is alltogether too much drivel on the site that should be addressed to individuals
off-line but gets posted anyway. Nobody cares what your credentials
are or if you have a heated hangar while you are sailing on your vacation. It's
pretty easy to spot who is helping the collective group and who is posting letters,
pictures and videos just to blow their own horn. Stop it already......we
don't care!
Everyone should have and use their spell checker and some should get a grammar
checker.
Spruce really isn't that hard to find. Use it.
Model "A" engines are just fine. Next time you're at Brodhead for the Piet reunion,
take a look at those old powerplants that have been showing up for years
and providing their owners with hundreds of hours of troublefree service. They
might not be abundantly powerful, but they are every bit as reliable as other
sources of power that are being used. Let's not get on the bandwagon of "I switched
to a Continental because I wanted a reliable engine". And no, they are
not motors!
That's it for now. Keep up the good work and get those Piets in the air!
Bernard
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| Subject: | Re: New Wife, was Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Amen.
John
do not archive
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> Isablcorky@aol.com Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:56:34 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Bob,
As they used to say on the Amos 'n Andy radio show in the thirties, "
boy,
did you say a mouthful".
Started a Smith Miniplane in '58. Wife raised hell. Had a welder over
on Sat
and she ran his ass off. That's what you call LOVE. Gave up to raise
the kids.
Kids are now adults and I begin a Volksplane II. Wife raises more hell.
Got
rid of the VP project.
Got rid of the wife. Got a new one. Built a Piet, wife is happy, I
finish it
a few month's prior to birthday #80.
Moral of the story; Get the right wife to begin with if you want to
build
airplanes.
Corky in La living the good life
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
UH OH!
Tighten your seatbelts, and shoulder harnesses if you have them, this mey be
a bumpy ride! I see turbulence up ahead.
:
O
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "allison waters" <awaters25@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: allison waters <awaters25@yahoo.com>
>
> Pieters-
> I've been lurking on this list for a while and having built a couple of
Piets in the past I thought I'd share a couple of observations as food for
thought. Pease don't take these musings the wrong way as they are given in
the spirit of helpfulness.
>
> I see that the GN-1 group has it's own website now. That's a really great
step for the Piet guys as they won't have to put up with John Grega's wierd
creation nor help further his (or his heirs) blatant plagerizied version of
what is a wonderful airplane. Piets are Piets just as glassairs are
glassairs. You don't see t-18 builders over-running the RV website on the
basis of them being "almost the same". Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site
up, it's long, long overdue. ( I believe the PRINTED and STATED objective
for the BPAN and this Matronics site are to further PIETENPOL
aircraft............check it out, no mention of GN-1's)
>
> I've seen a couple of really nicely done but atrociously heavy Piets in
the past year. Why put rotating beacons, nav and landing lights, radios,
upholstery or cover the entire fuselage with PLYWOOD or put on other
unnecessary add-ons that don't contribute one iota of flight capability to a
great little airplane? If you want that kind of stuff, go buy a 150 or build
a Deuce. Building an airplane should not be an excercise in seeing how high
you can get your empty weight!
>
> There is alltogether too much drivel on the site that should be addressed
to individuals off-line but gets posted anyway. Nobody cares what your
credentials are or if you have a heated hangar while you are sailing on your
vacation. It's pretty easy to spot who is helping the collective group and
who is posting letters, pictures and videos just to blow their own horn.
Stop it already......we don't care!
>
> Everyone should have and use their spell checker and some should get a
grammar checker.
>
> Spruce really isn't that hard to find. Use it.
>
> Model "A" engines are just fine. Next time you're at Brodhead for the Piet
reunion, take a look at those old powerplants that have been showing up for
years and providing their owners with hundreds of hours of troublefree
service. They might not be abundantly powerful, but they are every bit as
reliable as other sources of power that are being used. Let's not get on the
bandwagon of "I switched to a Continental because I wanted a reliable
engine". And no, they are not motors!
>
> That's it for now. Keep up the good work and get those Piets in the air!
>
> Bernard
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Chuck wrote-
>Someone from this list had... intentions of building fully
>plywood sheeted floats, to match.
Not sure if they were trying to scratch-design the floats, but there is an
easier way. I bought a set of construction plans for all-wood floats by
MukTuk Floats. You give them the info on your airplane (up to 1500 lbs.
displacement) and they size the floats for that plane and send you
dimensioned construction drawings for it. They have expanded their
offerings to include kits too, but I suspect most Pieters will go the
plans-build route. Take a look at their website, at
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/
Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in advance.
blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are GN-1's.
Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 builders)contribute the the building
process of an AirCamper/Aircamper be it GN-1 or Piet. You imply that GN-1
builder are "over-running" this list. Where the hell did you get your numbers??
About 85% of the posts here are from Pieters and the other 15% that aren't
are normally not discussing "GN-1 related" issues. Is that your definition
of "over-run"?
It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off... Sorry ....
I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but I fail to
see how they possibly could be.
And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one of the
"horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only one who
has posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I don't get
a hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I enjoy sharing
my trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my experience.
I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who love that I spend
a little extra time documenting my progress with photos, videos, write-ups....
forgive me if I'm not some hermit reclusive builder who talks/shares with no
one.
Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or overly equipped??
Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your subject line?
When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and Llama crap.
OK... I'm done..... (for now)
DJ Vegh
N74DV (a GN-1)
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
----- Original Message -----
Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I believe the
PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics site are to further
PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention of GN-1's)
=
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
"DING!"... Round One goes to DJ.
I happen to like DJ's website, and the RC model of the Pieten... uh uh, I
mean GN-1 is very cool. The pictures in the construction log are also very
helpful.
(I'm going to hide behind the turkey now so that other guy doesn't throw
stuff at me).
>From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:58:38 -0700
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
>sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in
>advance.
>
>blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are
>GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1
>builders)contribute the the building process of an AirCamper/Aircamper be
>it GN-1 or Piet. You imply that GN-1 builder are "over-running" this list.
> Where the hell did you get your numbers?? About 85% of the posts here
>are from Pieters and the other 15% that aren't are normally not discussing
>"GN-1 related" issues. Is that your definition of "over-run"?
>
>It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off...
>Sorry .... I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but
>I fail to see how they possibly could be.
>
>And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one
>of the "horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only
>one who has posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I
>don't get a hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I
>enjoy sharing my trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my
>experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who
>love that I spend a little extra time documenting my progress with photos,
>videos, write-ups.... forgive me if I'm not some hermit reclusive builder
>who talks/shares with no one.
>
>Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or overly
>equipped??
>
>Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your
>subject line?
>
>When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and
>Llama crap.
>
>OK... I'm done..... (for now)
>
>
>DJ Vegh
>N74DV (a GN-1)
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>
>Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I
>believe the PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics
>site are to further PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention
>of GN-1's)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
The only thing I can think of is William Wynne's T-Shirts "MY EX WANTED ME
TO QUIT FLYING"
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Bob,
>
> As they used to say on the Amos 'n Andy radio show in the thirties, " boy,
> did you say a mouthful".
>
> Started a Smith Miniplane in '58. Wife raised hell. Had a welder over on
Sat
> and she ran his ass off. That's what you call LOVE. Gave up to raise the
kids.
> Kids are now adults and I begin a Volksplane II. Wife raises more hell.
Got
> rid of the VP project.
> Got rid of the wife. Got a new one. Built a Piet, wife is happy, I finish
it
> a few month's prior to birthday #80.
> Moral of the story; Get the right wife to begin with if you want to build
> airplanes.
>
> Corky in La living the good life
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Please lurk somewhere else......we don't need this crap.
OK Bert, you're next
Barry Davis - iet Builder
----- Original Message -----
From: "allison waters" <awaters25@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: allison waters <awaters25@yahoo.com>
>
> Pieters-
> I've been lurking on this list for a while and having built a couple of
Piets in the past I thought I'd share a couple of observations as food for
thought. Pease don't take these musings the wrong way as they are given in
the spirit of helpfulness.
>
> I see that the GN-1 group has it's own website now. That's a really great
step for the Piet guys as they won't have to put up with John Grega's wierd
creation nor help further his (or his heirs) blatant plagerizied version of
what is a wonderful airplane. Piets are Piets just as glassairs are
glassairs. You don't see t-18 builders over-running the RV website on the
basis of them being "almost the same". Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site
up, it's long, long overdue. ( I believe the PRINTED and STATED objective
for the BPAN and this Matronics site are to further PIETENPOL
aircraft............check it out, no mention of GN-1's)
>
> I've seen a couple of really nicely done but atrociously heavy Piets in
the past year. Why put rotating beacons, nav and landing lights, radios,
upholstery or cover the entire fuselage with PLYWOOD or put on other
unnecessary add-ons that don't contribute one iota of flight capability to a
great little airplane? If you want that kind of stuff, go buy a 150 or build
a Deuce. Building an airplane should not be an excercise in seeing how high
you can get your empty weight!
>
> There is alltogether too much drivel on the site that should be addressed
to individuals off-line but gets posted anyway. Nobody cares what your
credentials are or if you have a heated hangar while you are sailing on your
vacation. It's pretty easy to spot who is helping the collective group and
who is posting letters, pictures and videos just to blow their own horn.
Stop it already......we don't care!
>
> Everyone should have and use their spell checker and some should get a
grammar checker.
>
> Spruce really isn't that hard to find. Use it.
>
> Model "A" engines are just fine. Next time you're at Brodhead for the Piet
reunion, take a look at those old powerplants that have been showing up for
years and providing their owners with hundreds of hours of troublefree
service. They might not be abundantly powerful, but they are every bit as
reliable as other sources of power that are being used. Let's not get on the
bandwagon of "I switched to a Continental because I wanted a reliable
engine". And no, they are not motors!
>
> That's it for now. Keep up the good work and get those Piets in the air!
>
> Bernard
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- don't let this guys mess up a good group of people------GN-1's and
Piets, no matter what kind of
engine are GREAT to talk about so let's enjoy it.
Another Fisherman here I think.....
Also, Allison/Bernard....whatever your real name is..---at what stage are
YOU in the building process ???
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
Hey DJ - Have a landing gear question for you and anyone else that may know,(you
have a great piet website by the way, thanks for sharing your project pictures).
Anyhow, I am building using the original plans with a long fuse but I think
I would like to use the J3 style landing gear as you are doing. I assume the
GN version of the Piet includes the J3 gear, question is do plans exist for
the J3 gear? Or better yet J3 style gear adapted to the original Piet design?
Or do you just got out to the airport with a measuring tape and find a Cub?
One other question, you used bungie cords on your gear, is this better than springs?
(I know this is kind of a religious question).
Thanks
Rick Holland
> Thanks Fred....... I'll be starting wings this winter now that the Corvair
> engine is complete. If all goes as planned I may be flying
> this thing next
> winter.
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Rick,
When you look at a GN 1 you will notice the aft L/G attach point is about 6"
forward of the aft lift strut attach point. This is because the Cub gear
Grega used is shorter, and the GN 1 has an extra bay in the fuse sides just
so there will be vertical members at both the aft L/G and aft lift strut
attach points. You can go to DJ's website and see this.
The 34 plans have a Cub like L/G, the Flyer and Glider plans have the solid
axle L/G.
Skip
> do plans exist for the J3 gear? Or better yet J3 style gear adapted to the
original Piet
>design? Or do you just got out to the airport with a measuring tape and
find a Cub?
>Rick Holland
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
Getting back to what this list was designed, has the Pieter with the cold #3
cyl on the A 65 rectified the problem. I'm interested to know the fixes and
solutions.
Corky in La
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| Subject: | Re: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Agreed. The fisherman kept coming back JUST because he kept getting
responses. I believe he sincerely felt that some on the list also had
time/energy dribble to waste.....the real pity is that he probably had
something worthwhile to contribute and never did.
So what do we learn from this????? :-)
Jim in Plano, heading out to the garage to laminate some maple/black walnut
(for the cabanes) with my NEW vacuum bagging setup!!!! Cost next to nothing
thanks to junk yard refrigerator compressors...... NO MORE CLAMPS!!!!
(Well, not for some things anyway.....) Wow this is fun......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy.......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- don't let this guys mess up a good group of people------GN-1's and
> Piets, no matter what kind of
> engine are GREAT to talk about so let's enjoy it.
>
> Another Fisherman here I think.....
>
> Also, Allison/Bernard....whatever your real name is..---at what stage are
> YOU in the building process ???
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Chris,
I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my
Pietenpol weighed accurately.
Where is chapter 25?
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> Dick,
>
> If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks, you
> can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at
your
> ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the EXACT
> location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in
the
> front 'pit.
>
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> >
> > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The scale
I
> originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it agreed
> with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while
standing
> on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each
main
> and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of 7.01
> The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5.
> > That error could have been very dangerous.
> > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this.
> > Dick
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Corky,
You have given me a goal. Finnish within the next 5 years to match your
achievement, of the Pietenpol that is.
Alex S.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Bob,
>
> As they used to say on the Amos 'n Andy radio show in the thirties, " boy,
> did you say a mouthful".
>
> Started a Smith Miniplane in '58. Wife raised hell. Had a welder over on
Sat
> and she ran his ass off. That's what you call LOVE. Gave up to raise the
kids.
> Kids are now adults and I begin a Volksplane II. Wife raises more hell.
Got
> rid of the VP project.
> Got rid of the wife. Got a new one. Built a Piet, wife is happy, I finish
it
> a few month's prior to birthday #80.
> Moral of the story; Get the right wife to begin with if you want to build
> airplanes.
>
> Corky in La living the good life
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Minneapolis MN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Chris,
> I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my
> Pietenpol weighed accurately.
> Where is chapter 25?
> Alex Sloan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
> >
> > Dick,
> >
> > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks,
you
> > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at
> your
> > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the
EXACT
> > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in
> the
> > front 'pit.
> >
> >
> > Chris
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
> > <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > >
> > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The
scale
> I
> > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it
agreed
> > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while
> standing
> > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each
> main
> > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of
7.01
> > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5.
> > > That error could have been very dangerous.
> > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this.
> > > Dick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corky's building problem-- his first wife !!!!!!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
Thanks for the greetings and the same back to you and all the rest .
Alex S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corky's building problem-- his first wife !!!!!!!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Corky-- that is just hilarious. Good for you. You got a beauty there in
> Isabelle. A dream wife. I didn't even take that chance tho and built
> and flew my Piet with NO wife anywhere in sight. Never had to take any
> Tums during the whole wonderful process !!!!
>
> Happy Thanksgiving to all you guys out there.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I have a drawing that shows dimensions for the J-3 cub gear. I can email
you off list with those dimensions. I'll gather it up and send it this
weekend.
I went with Bungees because my gear is an actual 1943 cub gear and I wanted
to use it as is. There is a spring conversion kit that is sold to convert
from bungees to springs. I have no experience with it so I can't speak of
it's benefits if any.
Personally I like using the Cub gear because it's a hefty gear that can be
easily obtained... albeit it's a tad bit spendy if you buy it "new" from
Wag-Aero or similar.
I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable
finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point)
Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65.
note* this message has not been spell or grammar checked and may contain
certain red-neckism's that some may find difficult to comprehend.... it also
contains GN-1 references... read at your own risk. ;)
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
-
----- Original Message -----
From: <At7000ft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
>
> Hey DJ - Have a landing gear question for you and anyone else that may
know,(you have a great piet website by the way, thanks for sharing your
project pictures). Anyhow, I am building using the original plans with a
long fuse but I think I would like to use the J3 style landing gear as you
are doing. I assume the GN version of the Piet includes the J3 gear,
question is do plans exist for the J3 gear? Or better yet J3 style gear
adapted to the original Piet design? Or do you just got out to the airport
with a measuring tape and find a Cub?
>
> One other question, you used bungie cords on your gear, is this better
than springs? (I know this is kind of a religious question).
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Holland
>
> > Thanks Fred....... I'll be starting wings this winter now that the
Corvair
> > engine is complete. If all goes as planned I may be flying
> > this thing next
> > winter.
> >
> > DJ Vegh
> > N74DV
> > Mesa, AZ
> > www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Thanks Cy,
That is a bit far from Florence, Alabama.
Alex S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Minneapolis MN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan"
<alexms1@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Chris,
> > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my
> > Pietenpol weighed accurately.
> > Where is chapter 25?
> > Alex Sloan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> > <bobka@compuserve.com>
> > >
> > > Dick,
> > >
> > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks,
> you
> > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look
at
> > your
> > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the
> EXACT
> > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone
in
> > the
> > > front 'pit.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
> > > <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > > >
> > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The
> scale
> > I
> > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it
> agreed
> > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while
> > standing
> > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on
each
> > main
> > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of
> 7.01
> > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5.
> > > > That error could have been very dangerous.
> > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this.
> > > > Dick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
You have piqued my curiosity. When you take a break from having fun in the
work shop, explain the "no clamp" method.
Alex S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy.......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Agreed. The fisherman kept coming back JUST because he kept getting
> responses. I believe he sincerely felt that some on the list also had
> time/energy dribble to waste.....the real pity is that he probably had
> something worthwhile to contribute and never did.
>
> So what do we learn from this????? :-)
>
> Jim in Plano, heading out to the garage to laminate some maple/black
walnut
> (for the cabanes) with my NEW vacuum bagging setup!!!! Cost next to
nothing
> thanks to junk yard refrigerator compressors...... NO MORE CLAMPS!!!!
> (Well, not for some things anyway.....) Wow this is fun......
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy.......
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > Guys-- don't let this guys mess up a good group of people------GN-1's
and
> > Piets, no matter what kind of
> > engine are GREAT to talk about so let's enjoy it.
> >
> > Another Fisherman here I think.....
> >
> > Also, Allison/Bernard....whatever your real name is..---at what stage
are
> > YOU in the building process ???
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, regarding the use of lead in fuels, didn't the older engines
(certainly in the Model T) actually have NO lead? The lead was, I believe,
added later when the engines became more powerful and the lubrication was
needed. I don't know if the Model A engines used leaded or unleaded fuel.
Jeff in warm North TX in November
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connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average.
https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
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| Subject: | Re: lead in fuel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Tetraethyl lead was never added to gas for lubrication. It is an anti-knock
compound to increase the octane rating. The OWT was added by a public
relations man. I was told this by one of the engineers that worked at the
Ethyl Corp during its development. Their biggest problem was killing the
operators of the facility. Many died as it is very toxic.
If it lubricated, then exhaust valves would not stick.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lead in fuel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey guys, regarding the use of lead in fuels, didn't the older engines
> (certainly in the Model T) actually have NO lead? The lead was, I believe,
> added later when the engines became more powerful and the lubrication was
> needed. I don't know if the Model A engines used leaded or unleaded fuel.
>
> Jeff in warm North TX in November
>
> Say goodbye to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet
> connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average.
> https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 9:50 AM -0500 11/26/03, Robert Haines wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines"
><robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
>But to a certain degree, I
>agree with Mike a little... today, people don't build and take care of the
>things one needs on a daily basis, they just go to WalMart and buy a new
>plastic one. So industrial arts and fabrication skills are vanishing and
>being replaced with Java programming and web page design ( DJ, I'm ribbing
>you here :) ).
>
>The way I see it, you either have to get the plane built when your single
>and young, or wait much later in life. Things like kids, wife, house, and
>career building somewhat consume the middle part of life.
>
>
>Robert Haines
>Du Quoin, Illinois
Robert,
A hundred years ago, someone who would spend hours in a shop building an
engine, or whatever, was an inventor. Now, he's just a somewhat eccentric
hobbyist, not that that is a bad thing.
I'm fortunate to live in the middle of Amish country, so I still see a lot
of people who build and take care of the things they need on a daily
basis. Kind of refreshing - too bad their beliefs don't allow them to fly:).
As for the other thing, I'm very glad to have wife #2 in my life & she does
not object to my aviation activities. Some of us had to wait until middle
life to start work on our projects & yes, the other priorities do make it
harder. I've learned not to sweat it if things get slowed way down because
of them.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Baffling Baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Wilcox" <CRAIGWILCOX@peoplepc.com>
W.B, others -
Thanks for your input on the baffling question. The airplane is NOT a Piet,
but a Bakeng Duce, with Lyc O-290-D, fully enclosed cowl.
I am going to use Chris' idea of using a rectangular aluminum plate directly
above the intercylinder baffle, safety wired to the baffle. This should
form a sandwich which will force air through the fins instead of the dead
space between the cylinders.
The other baffles were a pain to cut and bend - several times I got them cut
perfectly, only to bend them the wrong way on the brake. Got to learn to
put the bend line on the inside of the bend, instead of all on one side!
Lots of rejects, which I have turned into smaller pieces for other places.
Appreciate all the help!
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Craig,
> If I remember correctly, his reasoning was that they were necessary in an
> enclosed engine config. where, as the air travels from high pressure area
> to low past the fins, you can have a "dead" area under the cyls. That is
> why you put that "mustasched" shaped baffle under the cyl. bases to shoot
> air fore and aft to clear the dead zone.
> With mine , the cyls are exposed with eyebrows, and there would be no dead
> spots, cause the eyebrows push down and then the free air comming by cools
> the undersides.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> >
> > Craig,
> > My mentor said that I didn't need them.
> > walt evans
> > NX140DL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Craig Wilcox" <CRAIGWILCOX@peoplepc.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Wilcox"
> > <CRAIGWILCOX@peoplepc.com>
> > >
> > > Guys -
> > >
> > > How have most of you affixed your inter-cylinder cooling baffles? The
> > little ones that go between the cylinders from the bottom. I have got
> mine
> > all cut and fitted in place - many bends!, but need to make sure that
they
> > will not fall out.
> > >
> > > Thanks -
> > > Craig
> > > Having fun, enjoying life!
> > >
> > > Craig Wilcox
> > > craigwilcox@peoplepc.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Powered by Plaxo Want a signature like this?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Bernard,
This international list is great AS IS! We spend months without a
flame agreassion or any CAPITAL LETTERS :-)
We are here, even builders of non Piet or GN-1 planes!! (I am
building a Zenith 701 STOL, is not even wood!).
We are here because we love the Piet, and the way the list is going:
LOTS to learn, lots of friendship comments, lots of fun, even advice of
getting divorce :-)
Please, let us alone, or best, keep your comments for yourself lurke
and learn how aviators share their real brotherhood, then when you are
ready, comment or better ask something you need to learn...
Enough said, of the soap box.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Mexico.
Do not archive.
--- Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
> <bed@mindspring.com>
>
> Please lurk somewhere else......we don't need this crap.
>
> OK Bert, you're next
> Barry Davis - iet Builder
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "allison waters" <awaters25@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: allison waters
> <awaters25@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Pieters-
> > I've been lurking on this list for a while and having built a
> couple of
> Piets in the past I thought I'd share a couple of observations as
> food for
> thought. Pease don't take these musings the wrong way as they are
> given in
> the spirit of helpfulness.
> >
> > I see that the GN-1 group has it's own website now. That's a really
> great
> step for the Piet guys as they won't have to put up with John Grega's
> wierd
> creation nor help further his (or his heirs) blatant plagerizied
> version of
> what is a wonderful airplane. Piets are Piets just as glassairs are
> glassairs. You don't see t-18 builders over-running the RV website on
> the
> basis of them being "almost the same". Hooray for whoever put the
> GN-1 site
> up, it's long, long overdue. ( I believe the PRINTED and STATED
> objective
> for the BPAN and this Matronics site are to further PIETENPOL
> aircraft............check it out, no mention of GN-1's)
> >
> > I've seen a couple of really nicely done but atrociously heavy
> Piets in
> the past year. Why put rotating beacons, nav and landing lights,
> radios,
> upholstery or cover the entire fuselage with PLYWOOD or put on other
> unnecessary add-ons that don't contribute one iota of flight
> capability to a
> great little airplane? If you want that kind of stuff, go buy a 150
> or build
> a Deuce. Building an airplane should not be an excercise in seeing
> how high
> you can get your empty weight!
> >
> > There is alltogether too much drivel on the site that should be
> addressed
> to individuals off-line but gets posted anyway. Nobody cares what
> your
> credentials are or if you have a heated hangar while you are sailing
> on your
> vacation. It's pretty easy to spot who is helping the collective
> group and
> who is posting letters, pictures and videos just to blow their own
> horn.
> Stop it already......we don't care!
> >
> > Everyone should have and use their spell checker and some should
> get a
> grammar checker.
> >
> > Spruce really isn't that hard to find. Use it.
> >
> > Model "A" engines are just fine. Next time you're at Brodhead for
> the Piet
> reunion, take a look at those old powerplants that have been showing
> up for
> years and providing their owners with hundreds of hours of
> troublefree
> service. They might not be abundantly powerful, but they are every
> bit as
> reliable as other sources of power that are being used. Let's not get
> on the
> bandwagon of "I switched to a Continental because I wanted a reliable
> engine". And no, they are not motors!
> >
> > That's it for now. Keep up the good work and get those Piets in the
> air!
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
Way to go DJ. This list is for people who are building.... I for one like
seeing pictiures and videos of other peoples projects, keeps me stoked on
my project. I boated for many years and listened to the same stuff from
the sail and power boys, " you stink potters" " You stick boaters". Who
cares, you should take a step back and listen to yourself. We "GN1"
builders find a lot in common with the Piet builders on this list. I for
one have got many usefull tips on this list from people like DJ and Mike
Cuy. It's time to get off your soap box and realize that everyone on this
list has 2 things in common. 1). We all love to fly and 2). We all love to
build. It really makes no difference if it's a GN1 or A Piet, this is a
community of builders, not airplane racists.
Ken
GN1 2992
Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in
advance.
>
> blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are
GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 builders)contribute
the the building process of an AirCamper/Aircamper be it GN-1 or Piet. You
imply that GN-1 builder are "over-running" this list. Where the hell did
you get your numbers?? About 85% of the posts here are from Pieters and the
other 15% that aren't are normally not discussing "GN-1 related" issues. Is
that your definition of "over-run"?
>
> It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off...
Sorry .... I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but I
fail to see how they possibly could be.
>
> And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one
of the "horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only
one who has posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I
don't get a hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I
enjoy sharing my trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my
experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who
love that I spend a little extra time documenting my progre
> ss with photos, videos, write-ups.... forgive me if I'm not some hermit
reclusive builder who talks/shares with no one.
>
> Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or
overly equipped??
>
> Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your
subject line?
>
> When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and
Llama crap.
>
> OK... I'm done..... (for now)
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV (a GN-1)
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I
believe the PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics
site are to further PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention
of GN-1's)
>
>
> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by
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>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Also look in your city for some Car Racers mechanic, he should have or
locate a set of scales, their scales work perfect in airplanes, we use
them here, in fact we make a Barbacue everytime we need to weight a
plane... the mechanic and a few racers join, of course, Corona Beers
come from the cooler until the CG is perfectly located :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- Cy Galley <cgalley@qcbc.org> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Minneapolis MN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan"
> <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Chris,
> > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get
> my
> > Pietenpol weighed accurately.
> > Where is chapter 25?
> > Alex Sloan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> > <bobka@compuserve.com>
> > >
> > > Dick,
> > >
> > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten
> bucks,
> you
> > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come
> look at
> > your
> > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine
> the
> EXACT
> > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with
> someone in
> > the
> > > front 'pit.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
> > > <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > > >
> > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise.
> The
> scale
> > I
> > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on,
> it
> agreed
> > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas
> while
> > standing
> > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265
> on each
> > main
> > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty
> CG of
> 7.01
> > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of
> 12.5.
> > > > That error could have been very dangerous.
> > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this.
> > > > Dick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Well said, Ken
Jack Phillips,
Building a Pietenpol, but flew a GN-1 first and loved it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken & Lisa
Rickards
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards"
<KL0914@cogeco.ca>
Way to go DJ. This list is for people who are building.... I for one like
seeing pictiures and videos of other peoples projects, keeps me stoked on
my project. I boated for many years and listened to the same stuff from
the sail and power boys, " you stink potters" " You stick boaters". Who
cares, you should take a step back and listen to yourself. We "GN1"
builders find a lot in common with the Piet builders on this list. I for
one have got many usefull tips on this list from people like DJ and Mike
Cuy. It's time to get off your soap box and realize that everyone on this
list has 2 things in common. 1). We all love to fly and 2). We all love to
build. It really makes no difference if it's a GN1 or A Piet, this is a
community of builders, not airplane racists.
Ken
GN1 2992
Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in
advance.
>
> blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are
GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 builders)contribute
the the building process of an AirCamper/Aircamper be it GN-1 or Piet. You
imply that GN-1 builder are "over-running" this list. Where the hell did
you get your numbers?? About 85% of the posts here are from Pieters and the
other 15% that aren't are normally not discussing "GN-1 related" issues. Is
that your definition of "over-run"?
>
> It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off...
Sorry .... I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but I
fail to see how they possibly could be.
>
> And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one
of the "horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only
one who has posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I
don't get a hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I
enjoy sharing my trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my
experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who
love that I spend a little extra time documenting my progre
> ss with photos, videos, write-ups.... forgive me if I'm not some hermit
reclusive builder who talks/shares with no one.
>
> Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or
overly equipped??
>
> Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your
subject line?
>
> When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and
Llama crap.
>
> OK... I'm done..... (for now)
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV (a GN-1)
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I
believe the PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics
site are to further PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention
of GN-1's)
>
>
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| Subject: | No more clamps (well, for some things.....) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Well, basically, after slopping on the epoxy where you want to join the
parts, you stick them into a plastic bag, suck all the air out and voila!
Perfectly uniform pressure over the ENTIRE area (as long as you maintain the
vacuum). No voids or air bubbles or delamination or excess epoxy...the
result is a perfectly even, easily controlled pressure. And useless excess
air and epoxy gets sucked out (into a thin line along the edge that is as
sharp as a razor blade....)
A number of years ago I bought a $400 "professional" bagging system with
pump, etc so I could build foam core and hollow core wings for my
competition radio controlled sailplanes. I got tired of trying to stack
bricks on top of the epoxy/foam/carbon fiber/kevlar/whatever sandwich and
just hoping for even pressure throughout. (It was a teeny bit frustrating
to check it the next day and find some carbon fiber delamination where one
of the bricks moved a bit....) Even though the materials used in my
sailplanes was different, the benefit of applying a perfectly even (and
easily controlled) pressure to the parts being joined is the same for wood
construction.
It's perfect for laminated pieces like wing tip bows.....just build a
rectangular box with a curved top, stack some epoxied strips on top of each
other and lay them on top of the curve, put everything (the box with the
epoxied strips on top) in a bag and draw a vacuum. Let it sit overnite and
you're done.....
And being much more of a scrounger now than I was then, I've actually built
an even better setup using a (free) freon pump from a discarded refrigerator
and some pvc/plastic tubing/plastic sheets/window sealer goop from Home
Depot. MUCH cheaper! You could probably put the whole setup together for
under $20.
It's a pretty worthless process for things like attaching ribs to spars but
it would work very nicely for a number of other homebuilding processes.
I'll bet the composite homebuilders use vacuum bagging on a regular basis.
There's really no other way to so easily control the epoxy to cloth ratios
which optimizes the weight to strength ratio. And that same benefit would
surely apply to epoxy/wood/ply construction.
Yes, you can draw too much vacuum and starve the joints of epoxy. But with
a bit of patience you quickly figure out how much pressure to use. And
making one adjustment to the vacuum pressure is MUCH easier than running
around adjusting a bunch of clamps....
If anyone's interested in pursuing this, let me know (offline please) and
I'll put some pictures and a little more detail together.
Jim in Plano,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy.......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jim,
> You have piqued my curiosity. When you take a break from having fun in
the
> work shop, explain the "no clamp" method.
> Alex S.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Dick,
I weighed my short fuselage plane four times. I weigh 205 lbs. The first
time was from rented, calibrated scales. Each of the next three times (four
bathroom scales), agreed with the calibrated ones, and with each other - as far
as the C.G. is concerned. It took me all that, before I was convinced that I
knew where the C.G. is. As it turned out, I had to build the Continental
engine mount 8" longer than the plans show (using heavier wall tubing), to maintain
a safe C.G. location, without using ballast. Ballast sucks big time.
Pietenpols are notoriously tail heavy, most likely because Bernard Pietenpol was
only about 160 lbs, and he designed and built to his weight. Most folks today
are bigger and fatter, me included.
The most important thing is that you are convinced that you are not tail
heavy in the flying configuration.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Wanted: Good woman, with airplane. Please send picture of plane.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
When you said good woman with Piet, only one thought came to my mind. Here
she is with NX41CC. Isabelle.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks all for the w/b comments. I hauled my trusty old scale from work today
to the hangar. It' one of those that you add the weights to counterbalance.
I have readings that I belive now.
I will be joining Chapter 25 and having the pre inspection done.
Dick
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
I wouldn't use powdercoating if it was free, It hides cracks and is a bear to do
any further work on the part. I did my whole airplane with $16 worth of high
heat stove paint with a glossy top coat ( also high heat) shines like powdercoating,
but much safer and easier to work with. find it at fireplace stores in
colors of shiny black, forest green, cream color, and cinnamon. It is also extemely
durable to chips. It is one tough paint.
Del
I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable
finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point)
Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65.
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: iet list observations |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Oh Dear! Another hippogator.
Clif. Wife gone, both happier.
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: allison waters <awaters25@yahoo.com>
>
> Pieters-
> I've been lurking on this list for a while and having built a couple of
Piets in the past I thought I'd share a couple of observations as food for
thought. Pease don't take these musings the wrong way as they are given in
the spirit of helpfulness.
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Alex,
Chapter 25 is in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. We have a hangar at
Lakeville (LVN).
Greg Cardinal
Chapter 25 member since 1994
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Chris,
> I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my
> Pietenpol weighed accurately.
> Where is chapter 25?
> Alex Sloan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
> >
> > Dick,
> >
> > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks,
you
> > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at
> your
> > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the
EXACT
> > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in
> the
> > front 'pit.
> >
> >
> > Chris
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil"
> > <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> > >
> > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The
scale
> I
> > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it
agreed
> > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while
> standing
> > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each
> main
> > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of
7.01
> > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5.
> > > That error could have been very dangerous.
> > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this.
> > > Dick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lead in fuel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Roger & Kathy Green <rgreen@libby.org>
"Hey guys, regarding the use of lead in fuels..."
Jeff,
You are correct. There was no lead in the early fuels.
I have run my Model A car and an 1911, 1 cylinder car on unleaded fuels for
years with no problems.
Lead was not needed until the higher compression engines came along.
Roger Green
Libby, Montana
At 05:31 PM 11/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Congratulations Cliff!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Oh Dear! Another hippogator.
>
> Clif. Wife gone, both happier.
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: allison waters
<awaters25@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Pieters-
> > I've been lurking on this list for a while and having built a couple of
> Piets in the past I thought I'd share a couple of observations as food
for
> thought. Pease don't take these musings the wrong way as they are given in
> the spirit of helpfulness.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | More on wood selection |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Here's various charts on wood strength of softwood
species available for our use. As Dave Rowe and I
have preached before, Yellow Cedar is a low cost
alternative to spruce. At least for the time being.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplrp/fplrp565.pdf
Wood suppliers. And not just Yellow Cedar, either!
http://www.wdfindr.com/wdf/search.phtml?keywords=Yellow%20Cedar
Here's some stuff to "wet" your apetite for vacuums ( not to be confused
with what your ex-wife took! ).
http://www.badger.rchomepage.com/vacbag.html
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~flyingwing/vacbag/
http://www.bertram31.com/proj/tips/vaccuum.htm
http://www.modelaircraft.org/mag/hurley/pdf/Vacuum-Bagging.pdf
http://www.fibreglast.net/printcontent.php?ContentID=230
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=21
Clif
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