---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/28/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:17 AM - Re: Yo DJ (Gadd, Skip) 2. 07:47 AM - Re: emachineshop (DJ Vegh) 3. 08:54 AM - Re: electronic ignition (Ron Butcher) 4. 11:12 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle) 5. 11:31 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle) 6. 08:23 PM - Re: w/b (Gnwac@cs.com) 7. 08:28 PM - Re: emachineshop (Gnwac@cs.com) 8. 09:39 PM - Re: More on wood selection (dave rowe) 9. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: PietenpolProp glue (dave rowe) 10. 09:45 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (dave rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:22 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ Rick, My opinion is the V strut is better engineering, don't know the math term but the triangle is shorter and fatter, so there is better mechanical advantage. Also no religious problem, the last two Piets made by Pietenpol, the 2 Corvairs, had the V strut and die springs. Skip --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" >What about adding a V strut to the split axle design in the 1934 plans? >Probably another religious question but I see so many conventional gear designed >with the V strut that I would assume it is a better, stronger design, opinions? >Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:00 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:emachineshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > Not long ago someone mentioned the "emachineshop" for getting metal > parts machine cut and produced. I was the one who had the emachineshop laser cut parts made. They will use 4130 is you make a special request. I used 4140 which they have readily available. The parts I needed did not need to be welded so 4140 was good for me. It would be great if someone would draw up all the parts for the Piet and GN-1 in CAD. My parts are for a modified GN-1 and will only work on my plane. I can't reccomend emachineshop any longer. They have raised their priced about 400 or 500% since I used them. They are insane on their pricing now UNLESS you buy 15 sets or more of a certain part. They no longer cater to the "one-off" guys like us. The reason I wrote such good things of them before was for the overall experience with them.... quality of parts and price. Now it's only quality that is good... It's unfortunate because they had an excellent product at a reasonable price. If someone were to draw up all the parts for a Piet and have 15 or more sets fabricated the cost for each set would only be about $175 or so. Just one set would cost over $700..... see what I mean? Replicraft used to be the place to go to get all metal parts for GN-1's and Piets.... until the owner ran off with about 10 open orders and more than $10K (of that $1300 was mine). You'd find better pricing at your local lasercutting shop than you would with emachineshop. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:52 AM PST US From: "Ron Butcher" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:electronic ignition --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ron Butcher" Ken... I'm just wondering, why don't you want a magneto with an impulse coupler?? Ron Turlock, Cal ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:electronic ignition > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com > > Pieters: > I am working with a 75 cont series 9 and cannot use a mag with a > impulse and wonder if electric ignition might be my answer. Does anyone know a > good information about this development. > Ken Conrad, Long Grove, Iowa > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:31 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: What Listers Are Saying III --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Wow, Wednesday was a great day with lots of Listers getting online and making their contributions!! Thanks to a number of you that jumped up to carry the flag and rally support for the cause! Your efforts are much appreciated and best of all - very effective! Normally I post two "What Lister's Are Saying" messages during the Fund Raiser, but this year, so many people have been expressing their pleasure and satisfaction with the Lists that I have more than enough to post a third WLAS! Guys, I really appreciate your nice comments. It warms my heart to hear how much the Lists mean to you and how much you enjoy them. 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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:10 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: What Listers Are Saying III --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:11 PM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com Thanks Chuck and Dick, I have two young boys and the thought of hand propping a 65 was to scary. That's why the O-200 with the starter for safety and a little extra wt with the battery would help me out. I've heard many move the wing back a couple of inches. Jack McCarthy in Maryland recommended at least 2. I was thinking about using a J3 gas tank in the front nose section too. Someone had mentioned that the fuse is not made to support the gas tank in that forward section. Any thoughts? Hopefully along with the long fuse, will all help compensate for my 200 lb. Greg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:42 PM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:emachineshop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com In a message dated 11/28/03 10:47:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, djv@imagedv.com writes: > www.imagedv.com/aircamper thanks DJ, Looks like I'll start looking eles where Greg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:39 PM PST US From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More on wood selection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe Hello Clif, Been back from Nova Scotia for a couple of weeks, but very busy. A note to all who fly the coastline, I just requalified for Underwater Egress Training, and although I have done it before, and am an accomplished Scuba Diver, imagine being suspended over a pool, pitch dark, dropped from 10 feet, spun upside down, and then you have to figure your way out. If you plan on flying a lot over the water, there are some companies who offer this sort of training geared for fixed-wing pilots. It is well worth it!! You are trained how to prepare to ditch, how to survive the initial cold-water shock, how to egress, and how to stay alive while awaiting rescue. (Hopefully not our big grey oil-spurting part-flinging Sea Kings!!). Haven't updated the mykitplanes stuff yet, but I have the tail feathers done except for hinging, and now have turtledeck and instrument panels attached. PS, for those who care, I have far more important things to worry about, like surviving flights in zero-zero vis in raging seas trying to save some idiot who took his boat out in ridiculous weather, to worry about spell-checking or my grammer. DJ, your photos convinced me to build a Pietenpol. Everyone's wacky sense of humour, and rambling stories keep me building. Don't stop, and don't change, you're all part of a great thing, a bunch of people around the world with one thing in common, the love of an airplane that has captured our hearts. Clif Dawson wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson > > Here's various charts on wood strength of softwood > species available for our use. As Dave Rowe and I > have preached before, Yellow Cedar is a low cost > alternative to spruce. At least for the time being. > > http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplrp/fplrp565.pdf > > Wood suppliers. And not just Yellow Cedar, either! > > http://www.wdfindr.com/wdf/search.phtml?keywords=Yellow%20Cedar > > Here's some stuff to "wet" your apetite for vacuums ( not to be confused > with what your ex-wife took! ). > > http://www.badger.rchomepage.com/vacbag.html > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~flyingwing/vacbag/ > > http://www.bertram31.com/proj/tips/vaccuum.htm > > http://www.modelaircraft.org/mag/hurley/pdf/Vacuum-Bagging.pdf > > http://www.fibreglast.net/printcontent.php?ContentID=230 > > http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=21 > > Clif > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:07 PM PST US From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: PietenpolProp glue --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe Canadian bush pilots have used Moose glue quite sucessfully. It is very hard to get the Moose to stand still long enough to extract the required quantity, but a pal of mine laminated his prop with cold cure epoxy, and a layer of kevlar over the wood. His site is tiswildeair.com, can't remember his email off the top off my head, but he loves to chat and will share his secrets. Wizzard187@aol.com wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com > > Pieters, > I want to know what is the best glue for laminations for a > prop. I think I heard once that resorsnal(SP) is good but cannot find any. > Thanks, > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:53 PM PST US From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe Sounds great to me. Franck wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Franck > > Sorry if this is a little off topic but.... After reading some posts about > CG locations, gross weights/empty weights, etc., etc. I started wondering.... > Wouldn't it be a great service to our flying community if, at local, > regional, and national Fly-Ins, area EAA chapters would set up a "weight > station" by providing a set of certified scales and the manpower for there > use? In all the years of attending various Fly-Ins and the EAA Convention > at Oshkosh I don't know that I've ever seen this service provided. I'm > guessing there are a lot of aircraft, after years of equipment changes, > paint jobs, etc. that a free CG check might be a real eye opener to owners. > Or am I just opening another can of worms here? What do you think? > Do not Archive >