---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/29/03: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:23 AM - Re: my follow-up on Baffling Baffles (w b evans) 2. 12:14 PM - Please Support Your Email Lists... (Matt Dralle) 3. 01:55 PM - Corky in the SAA mag (w b evans) 4. 02:27 PM - Re: Corky in the SAA mag (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 02:34 PM - Re: Corky in the SAA mag (w b evans) 6. 05:19 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I (Jim Ash) 7. 06:17 PM - Wing Position (Rcaprd@aol.com) 8. 06:32 PM - Re: Wing Position (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 06:48 PM - Fuel Tanks (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:45 AM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my follow-up on Baffling Baffles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Today in spite of the high winds, I stopped in at the airport and checked out the beautiful, pristene J-3 Cub. It didn't have those baffles, and it runs eyebrows. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > Craig, > If I remember correctly, his reasoning was that they were necessary in an > enclosed engine config. where, as the air travels from high pressure area > to low past the fins, you can have a "dead" area under the cyls. That is > why you put that "mustasched" shaped baffle under the cyl. bases to shoot > air fore and aft to clear the dead zone. > With mine , the cyls are exposed with eyebrows, and there would be no dead > spots, cause the eyebrows push down and then the free air comming by cools > the undersides. > walt evans > NX140DL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w b evans" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > > > Craig, > > My mentor said that I didn't need them. > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Wilcox" > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Baffling Baffles > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Wilcox" > > > > > > > > Guys - > > > > > > How have most of you affixed your inter-cylinder cooling baffles? The > > little ones that go between the cylinders from the bottom. I have got > mine > > all cut and fitted in place - many bends!, but need to make sure that they > > will not fall out. > > > > > > Thanks - > > > Craig > > > Having fun, enjoying life! > > > > > > Craig Wilcox > > > craigwilcox@peoplepc.com > > > > > > > > > Powered by Plaxo Want a signature like this? > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:14 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please Support Your Email Lists... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, There's only about a day and a half left until the official end of the Email List Fund Raiser! You can still get your name on the List of Contributors by making your Contribution today or tomorrow. I will be posting the official List of Contributors on Tuesday or Wednesday. Its your Contribution that makes these Lists available. 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All the other mags have gone the way of the buyers, and to the corperate jets. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:37 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Walt, I learned of the SAA several months ago. After I sent my $25 Mr Paul P sent a letter requesting info on projects and glossy pics if possible with a letter of explanation. That's how it all happened. I am making my plans to attend their fly-in in Urbana, Il next June 11-13. Isabelle will fly to Champaign where I'll meet her in a rented convertible. We will visit Mattoon, Casey and Terre Haute before I send her home. Ole Corky plans to be there in 41CC. I do hope the Sport Pilot thing is official by then otherwise the pilot will be Nathan Moss. This orgn is now like EAA was when I joined in the 50s. I prefer it. Consider Urbana in June. Corky, that hell raisin rebel from La ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:35 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Corky, Is that you in both pics? Are you the guy next to the Piet on the wheels? If so, can't be the new one, is it? walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Walt, I learned of the SAA several months ago. After I sent my $25 Mr Paul P > sent a letter requesting info on projects and glossy pics if possible with a > letter of explanation. That's how it all happened. > I am making my plans to attend their fly-in in Urbana, Il next June 11-13. > Isabelle will fly to Champaign where I'll meet her in a rented convertible. We > will visit Mattoon, Casey and Terre Haute before I send her home. Ole Corky > plans to be there in 41CC. I do hope the Sport Pilot thing is official by then > otherwise the pilot will be Nathan Moss. > This orgn is now like EAA was when I joined in the 50s. I prefer it. > Consider Urbana in June. > > Corky, that hell raisin rebel from La > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:20 PM PST US From: Jim Ash need help with. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need help with. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash need help with. I just downloaded several days' email after being gone for a few days. I did the problem using triangle math and got 80.6 nm / 40.3 minutes, just like Robert got. If crosswind is factored in, the problem has more unknowns than equations, and the result itself would be an equation (or a system of equations, I didn't look at it that closely), relating the crosswind direction and angle to the result. Unless high school has really changed a lot, this is more akin to a numerical analysis class I had in college than high school trig. Either way the answer is D: The test writer screwed up. Tell the instructor he was correct to question the answers. To his credit, the jerk who taught that numerical analysis class started his class with 'question everything', including your results, his results, and the textbook. I guess this is one of those times... IIRC, there is a similar approximation used in instrument training, but I never sat down to figure out when it gets bad enough to not be useful any more, so I never used it. Jim Ash At 11/25/2003 04:27 PM -0600, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > >OK OK, I'm such a nerd... > >In 7 minutes at 120knots, the aircraft travels 14NM. This would be the >opposite end of the right triangle (remember? opposite, adjacent, >hypotenuse) and the distance back to the station off of the 350 radial would >be the hypotenuse, since he is traveling 270. Sin of 10 degrees equals >opposite divided by hypotenuse... so after rearranging that equation, >hypotenuse equals opposite (14NM) divided by Sin of 10 degrees. After >typing all that into my VERY high folutin' HP calculator, rearranging the >pens in my shirt pocket, pushing up my thick glasses and blowing my nose, >the distance is 80.6NM.... gesh, that's not even a choice! > >I guess at this point I could back calculate all the distances in the >answers to find the actual distance traveled taking into account a >crosswind, since of course all the answers are bigger and the triangle is >bigger meaning that more distance was traveled in the 7 minutes meaning the >aircraft had a tailwind. But since I don't know the direction or speed it >is an infinite amount of combinations to actually equal the distances from >the station given in the answers... I guess I could iterate through all the >possibilities and find the crosswind directions and speeds that give >distances and times (using the crosswind to correct for groundspeed) that >match one (or likely more) of the answers... > >Meanwhile the student taking the test has just wasted twenty minutes on a 30 >second question and although he knows the material, the testgiver just >screwed him out of a good grade due to all these damn trick questions. > > >Robert > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Haines" >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need >help with. > > > > Christian, > > > > It's almost a trick question, it's like test givers pride themselfs on > > confusing you with extra information. Example: If a train is heading to > > Boston at 120 miles and hour, and Corky is adding pinto beans to chilli at > > the exact same time, how much does a pound of feathers weigh? > > > > Sure you could figure it out with trigonometry, but the only answer that > > works is A based on your true airspeed. And I was all ready to pull out >my > > E6B to correct for crosswinds! > > > > > > Robert Haines > > Du Quoin, Illinois > > > > > > Time: 05:02:09 PM PST US > > From: "Christian Bobka" > > "pietenpol" > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [EAA Chapter 25] Navigation problem I need > > help with. > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > > > Navigation problem I need help with. > > > > > > Could someone tackle this problem for me..I'm not sure if I have the > > correct > > answer. > > > > "While maintaining a magnetic heading of 270 degrees and a true airspeed > > of 120 > > knots, the 360 radial of a VOR is crossed at 1237 and the 350 radial is > > crossed > > at 1244. The approximate time and distance to this station are: > > > > a) 42 minutes and 84 NM > > b) 42 minutes and 91 NM > > c) 44 minutes and 96 NM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:44 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com I've always been curious...Has anyone ever heard of a Pietenpol with the wing moved FORWARD from vertical, for a nose heavy condition ??? Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:41 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Chuck, You're question reminds me of the man who asked a large group of elders if they had ever heard of anyone retiring and moving nawth. Corky in La Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:32 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Tanks --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/03 10:23:42 PM Central Standard Time, Gnwac@cs.com writes: << Someone had mentioned that the fuse is not made to support the gas tank in that forward section. Any thoughts? >> Greg, There's lots of Pietenpol's around with a nose, or 'cowling' fuel tanks. I made mine from fiberglass, and have flanges molded in on the sides, to sit on the top of the forward longerons. The bottom of the tank slopes forward, toward the outlet, with the plane sitting static laden (tail down). After fitting the tank, I then made wedges under the forward portion of the tank to help support the weight of the 10.7 gallons. These wedges were then glued to the plywood deck, on top of the crossmember above the firewall, and everything is behind the stainless steel firewall. I used thick heavy fiberglass deck cloth, on the aft side of the firewall. The outlet is a blister, that sticks forward through the firewall, where a 'weldable' fitting is molded in the fiberglass, and then an elbow, and then a cable operated on / off valve. The inlet for the wing tank is also a blister molded in the fiberglass tank, that sticks through the cowling, and is located on the aft, top left side, at about 10 O'clock. I did it this way so as to keep all fittings OUTSIDE the cowling, so any leaks would not collect fuel in the cockpit or forward deck area. I'm not sure which is scarier, and inflight fire, aft C.G. condition, or my gal when she says "Chuck, we need to talk..." Chuck G.