Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 11/30/03


Total Messages Posted: 29



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:24 AM - Re: Wing Position (Clif Dawson)
     2. 12:30 AM - Re: Fuel Tanks (Clif Dawson)
     3. 08:27 AM - Re: Corky in the SAA mag (Richard Carden)
     4. 08:33 AM - Re: Corky in the SAA mag (Jim Markle)
     5. 12:10 PM - Re: Corky in the SAA mag (w b evans)
     6. 12:35 PM - Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! (Matt Dralle)
     7. 02:55 PM - Re: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... (Christian Bobka)
     8. 02:57 PM - Re: w/b (Christian Bobka)
     9. 03:00 PM - Re: w/b (Christian Bobka)
    10. 03:12 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Kip & Beth Gardner)
    11. 03:45 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Christian Bobka)
    12. 03:50 PM - Re: electronic ignition (Christian Bobka)
    13. 03:56 PM - Re: lead in fuel (Christian Bobka)
    14. 04:21 PM - COrky and the pervertible (Christian Bobka)
    15. 05:45 PM - Re: No more clamps (well, for some things.....) (Christian Bobka)
    16. 05:50 PM - more on powdercoating (Christian Bobka)
    17. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks (Gnwac@cs.com)
    18. 06:54 PM - Re: more on powdercoating (Cy Galley)
    19. 07:43 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (dave rowe)
    20. 07:56 PM - Re: electronic ignition (Wizzard187@aol.com)
    21. 08:10 PM - Re: w/b (Alex Sloan)
    22. 08:13 PM - Re: w/b (Alex Sloan)
    23. 08:19 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Alex Sloan)
    24. 08:23 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Clif Dawson)
    25. 08:26 PM - Re: w/b (Christian Bobka)
    26. 08:32 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    27. 08:41 PM - Re: more on powdercoating (Christian Bobka)
    28. 08:52 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    29. 09:40 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Christian Bobka)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:24:29 AM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Wing Position
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> Considering that there have been Piets with buick V8's and other heavy engines a little nawth may have been in order. And what about that one pic in SAA of the Piet with two lycomings??? one upside down. Clif PS, There's lots of you Southerners in B.C. There's a whole ( or is it hole ) enclave on Vancouver Island from San Diego. They even brought their locks with them. > Chuck, > You're question reminds me of the man who asked a large group of elders if > they had ever heard of anyone retiring and moving nawth. > Corky in La > > Do not archive >


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    Time: 12:30:45 AM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> Definitely " we got to talk " At least with a fire the only thing that happens to you is you burn to death. Clif Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcaprd@aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Tanks > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/28/03 10:23:42 PM Central Standard Time, Gnwac@cs.com > writes: > > << Someone had mentioned that the fuse is not made to support the gas tank in > that forward section. Any thoughts? >> > > Greg, > There's lots of Pietenpol's around with a nose, or 'cowling' fuel tanks. I > made mine from fiberglass, and have flanges molded in on the sides, to sit on > the top of the forward longerons. The bottom of the tank slopes forward, > toward the outlet, with the plane sitting static laden (tail down). After fitting > the tank, I then made wedges under the forward portion of the tank to help > support the weight of the 10.7 gallons. These wedges were then glued to the > plywood deck, on top of the crossmember above the firewall, and everything is > behind the stainless steel firewall. I used thick heavy fiberglass deck cloth, > on the aft side of the firewall. The outlet is a blister, that sticks forward > through the firewall, where a 'weldable' fitting is molded in the fiberglass, > and then an elbow, and then a cable operated on / off valve. The inlet for > the wing tank is also a blister molded in the fiberglass tank, that sticks > through the cowling, and is located on the aft, top left side, at about 10 > O'clock. I did it this way so as to keep all fittings OUTSIDE the cowling, so any > leaks would not collect fuel in the cockpit or forward deck area. I'm not sure > which is scarier, and inflight fire, aft C.G. condition, or my gal when she > says "Chuck, we need to talk..." > > Chuck G. > >


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    Time: 08:27:37 AM PST US
    From: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
    Subject: Re: Corky in the SAA mag
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com> What's SAA, the name of the magazine, and how to join/subscribe? Dick Carden


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    Time: 08:33:50 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Corky in the SAA mag
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> SAA is the name of the organization. http://www.sportaviation.org/index.html "To Fly" is the name of the (really fantastic) magazine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com> > > What's SAA, the name of the magazine, and how to join/subscribe? > > Dick Carden > >


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    Time: 12:10:20 PM PST US
    From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Corky in the SAA mag
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> You can say "really fantastic" again. Kitplane mag has gone the way of the sport plane buyer. While that's OK, "TO FLY" stirs the building bug in me again. I just sent my membership in, plus another $32.00 for the 16 back issues @ $2.00 per. for postage If you look there are a few Piets here and there thru the mag. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > SAA is the name of the organization. > > http://www.sportaviation.org/index.html > > "To Fly" is the name of the (really fantastic) magazine. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com> > > > > What's SAA, the name of the magazine, and how to join/subscribe? > > > > Dick Carden > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:35:12 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means three things... 1) Today I am officially 40 years old (sympathy is appreciated)! 2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-) If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List operation and keep the bills paid. A Lister wrote a funny message in the comments field of his Contribution today that I thought summed up the whole situation: "Worth every penny and I'm a tightwad!" Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive


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    Time: 02:55:55 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: say our peace, then ignore this guy.......
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> If a vacuum sucks, is it good or bad? Ask Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Agreed. The fisherman kept coming back JUST because he kept getting > responses. I believe he sincerely felt that some on the list also had > time/energy dribble to waste.....the real pity is that he probably had > something worthwhile to contribute and never did. > > So what do we learn from this????? :-) > > Jim in Plano, heading out to the garage to laminate some maple/black walnut > (for the cabanes) with my NEW vacuum bagging setup!!!! Cost next to nothing > thanks to junk yard refrigerator compressors...... NO MORE CLAMPS!!!! > (Well, not for some things anyway.....) Wow this is fun...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > > Guys-- don't let this guys mess up a good group of people------GN-1's and > > Piets, no matter what kind of > > engine are GREAT to talk about so let's enjoy it. > > > > Another Fisherman here I think..... > > > > Also, Allison/Bernard....whatever your real name is..---at what stage are > > YOU in the building process ??? > > > > Mike C. > > > > > >


    Message 8


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    Time: 02:57:26 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: w/b
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Minneapolis MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > Chris, > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my > Pietenpol weighed accurately. > Where is chapter 25? > Alex Sloan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > Dick, > > > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks, you > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at > your > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the EXACT > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in > the > > front 'pit. > > > > > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" > > <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The scale > I > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it agreed > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while > standing > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each > main > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of 7.01 > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5. > > > That error could have been very dangerous. > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this. > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:00:58 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: w/b
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> ALex, from AL. The oint is that you should join your local EAA chapter. I am pretty sure that Florence has a good group. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > Chris, > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my > Pietenpol weighed accurately. > Where is chapter 25? > Alex Sloan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > Dick, > > > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks, you > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at > your > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the EXACT > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in > the > > front 'pit. > > > > > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" > > <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The scale > I > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it agreed > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while > standing > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each > main > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of 7.01 > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5. > > > That error could have been very dangerous. > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this. > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:12:58 PM PST US
    From: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> At 12:46 AM -0500 11/29/03, dave rowe wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> Hey Dave, Just wondering, but are your Sea King helicopters anything like the CH-53's our Navy uses? The reason I ask is that you made a comment about 'parts-spewing'. My best friend back in Norfolk was a CH-53 pilot until he got out of the Navy & went to work for some contractor doing something classified with the GPS system. He rarely had a good thing to say about the 53 & 'parts-spewing' would have been one of the milder comments. I will also say that our ship was NEVER went out in weather that might have required someone like you to come out after us. Our captain was a Down Easter who got his Master's license when he was 16 & his philosophy was that science could wait for weather any day. BTW, I'm still real interested in Yellow Cedar for spar material whenever you have the time to figure out if there is a reasonable way to ship it. Thanks! Kip Gardner, in NE Ohio, far,far from any Navy town. North Canton, OH


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    Time: 03:45:37 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Franck, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe see if we could do a "weigh in" at Brodhead next year where we can do a "W and B" for anyone whose experimental we can hoist up onto the scales. We can get someone with a computer program to do the printouts that would suffice for the FAA. A couple of us who are A and Ps could sign it off for those who don't have the Repariman Certificate for their aircraft. We could also weigh the ship with the pilot/passenger on board to determine the exact location of the seats.... Anybody else interested? chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franck" <franck@geneseo.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Franck <franck@geneseo.net> > > Sorry if this is a little off topic but.... After reading some posts about > CG locations, gross weights/empty weights, etc., etc. I started wondering.... > Wouldn't it be a great service to our flying community if, at local, > regional, and national Fly-Ins, area EAA chapters would set up a "weight > station" by providing a set of certified scales and the manpower for there > use? In all the years of attending various Fly-Ins and the EAA Convention > at Oshkosh I don't know that I've ever seen this service provided. I'm > guessing there are a lot of aircraft, after years of equipment changes, > paint jobs, etc. that a free CG check might be a real eye opener to owners. > Or am I just opening another can of worms here? What do you think? > Do not Archive > >


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    Time: 03:50:53 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:electronic ignition
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Cy, The -9 case is special in that the mags need to reach way inside to mate up with the drive gear. You have probably seen A series mag gears that look like a cone that do this reaching.... They show them in the picture in my 2-15-48 A-series manual with the brown cover. Page 61, Figure 33, item 151. Chris Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:electronic ignition > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> > > Curious. What is the reason that you can't use a mag with an impulse? > Distance to firewall? The Slick 4330 is only 7 19/32" OAL, 5 11/16 behind > the mounting flange and is listed as approved for the A-75 in my Slick > Master Service Manual. You do have to replace the drive gears and use the > correct spacer according to SL1-93. The spacer extends the mag from .79 to > 1.04 inches. (add to the 5 11/16") > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Wizzard187@aol.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:electronic ignition > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com > > > > Pieters: > > I am working with a 75 cont series 9 and cannot use a mag with a > > impulse and wonder if electric ignition might be my answer. Does anyone > know a > > good information about this development. > > Ken Conrad, Long Grove, Iowa > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:56:43 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: lead in fuel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Cy, I had a 66 lincoln continental. Went everywhere at 100 mph. chris do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lead in fuel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> > > The only car that I ever owned that really needed Ethyl gas was my 1957 > Pontiac Starchief Convertible with 10.5 to 1 C.R. Since I was poor at the > time, I retarded the timing just a bit and ran regular. After I got married, > I didn't need to put my foot in it as often. It would still run the red > spiral speedo around so it would start over at above 120 mph. But at that > speed the tires would begin to smell and I would have to slow down. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <At7000ft@aol.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lead in fuel > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > > > Roger in Libby Montana? Is that the home of the Libby Loggers football > team? > > Do the cheerleaders still rev up their chainsaws on every touchdown? > > > > Sorry for the off topic. > > > > Rick Holland > > You are correct. There was no lead in the early fuels. > > I have run my Model A car and an 1911, 1 cylinder car on unleaded fuels > for > > years with no problems. > > Lead was not needed until the higher compression engines came along. > > > > Roger Green > > Libby, Montana > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:21:07 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: COrky and the pervertible
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Corky, Won't she be in a pervertible "where the top stays up and the driver goes down"? Chris do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: <Isablcorky@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Walt, I learned of the SAA several months ago. After I sent my $25 Mr Paul P > sent a letter requesting info on projects and glossy pics if possible with a > letter of explanation. That's how it all happened. > I am making my plans to attend their fly-in in Urbana, Il next June 11-13. > Isabelle will fly to Champaign where I'll meet her in a rented convertible. We > will visit Mattoon, Casey and Terre Haute before I send her home. Ole Corky > plans to be there in 41CC. I do hope the Sport Pilot thing is official by then > otherwise the pilot will be Nathan Moss. > This orgn is now like EAA was when I joined in the 50s. I prefer it. > Consider Urbana in June. > > Corky, that hell raisin rebel from La > >


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    Time: 05:45:39 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: No more clamps (well, for some things.....)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Jim, It sounds as if you need to write an article for To Fly! or Experimenter on this subject. chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No more clamps (well, for some things.....) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Well, basically, after slopping on the epoxy where you want to join the > parts, you stick them into a plastic bag, suck all the air out and voila! > Perfectly uniform pressure over the ENTIRE area (as long as you maintain the > vacuum). No voids or air bubbles or delamination or excess epoxy...the > result is a perfectly even, easily controlled pressure. And useless excess > air and epoxy gets sucked out (into a thin line along the edge that is as > sharp as a razor blade....) > > A number of years ago I bought a $400 "professional" bagging system with > pump, etc so I could build foam core and hollow core wings for my > competition radio controlled sailplanes. I got tired of trying to stack > bricks on top of the epoxy/foam/carbon fiber/kevlar/whatever sandwich and > just hoping for even pressure throughout. (It was a teeny bit frustrating > to check it the next day and find some carbon fiber delamination where one > of the bricks moved a bit....) Even though the materials used in my > sailplanes was different, the benefit of applying a perfectly even (and > easily controlled) pressure to the parts being joined is the same for wood > construction. > > It's perfect for laminated pieces like wing tip bows.....just build a > rectangular box with a curved top, stack some epoxied strips on top of each > other and lay them on top of the curve, put everything (the box with the > epoxied strips on top) in a bag and draw a vacuum. Let it sit overnite and > you're done..... > > And being much more of a scrounger now than I was then, I've actually built > an even better setup using a (free) freon pump from a discarded refrigerator > and some pvc/plastic tubing/plastic sheets/window sealer goop from Home > Depot. MUCH cheaper! You could probably put the whole setup together for > under $20. > > It's a pretty worthless process for things like attaching ribs to spars but > it would work very nicely for a number of other homebuilding processes. > I'll bet the composite homebuilders use vacuum bagging on a regular basis. > There's really no other way to so easily control the epoxy to cloth ratios > which optimizes the weight to strength ratio. And that same benefit would > surely apply to epoxy/wood/ply construction. > > Yes, you can draw too much vacuum and starve the joints of epoxy. But with > a bit of patience you quickly figure out how much pressure to use. And > making one adjustment to the vacuum pressure is MUCH easier than running > around adjusting a bunch of clamps.... > > If anyone's interested in pursuing this, let me know (offline please) and > I'll put some pictures and a little more detail together. > > Jim in Plano, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: say our peace, then ignore this guy....... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > > > Jim, > > You have piqued my curiosity. When you take a break from having fun in > the > > work shop, explain the "no clamp" method. > > Alex S. > >


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    Time: 05:50:46 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: more on powdercoating
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Del, There is more than one type of powder out there and you have to be careful what is used. There is powder that is "bridging" powder that will stretch when the underlying metal cracks and spreads apart. This is not what we would want to use but they might use it on lawn furniture. Appropriate powders will leave a coating that will crack when the underlying metal crack. I have first hand experience in the matter. Nor do you want to use epoxy based powder which will rapidly deteriorate in sunlight because, well, it is the nature of epoxy to chaulk in the sun. Some powders leave a coating that is as fragile as glass. This is no good because a swinging wrench will chip it bad. For more very worthwhile reading on powder coating, go to the following link for the article I wrote on the old BPA website: http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html Once you powdercoat, you will never go back.... Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "del magsam" <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > > I wouldn't use powdercoating if it was free, It hides cracks and is a bear to do any further work on the part. I did my whole airplane with $16 worth of high heat stove paint with a glossy top coat ( also high heat) shines like powdercoating, but much safer and easier to work with. find it at fireplace stores in colors of shiny black, forest green, cream color, and cinnamon. It is also extemely durable to chips. It is one tough paint. > Del > > I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable > finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point) > Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65. > > > Del-New Richmond, Wi > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > --------------------------------- > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > >


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    Time: 06:42:36 PM PST US
    From: Gnwac@cs.com
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com Thanks Chuck, Sounds like you did a wonderful job. Some of you that have been doing this building stuff for a while are very resourceful. Greg


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    Time: 06:54:43 PM PST US
    From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
    Subject: Re: more on powdercoating
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Good, no, Great article except for the A-65 case. FAA doesn't permit aluminum to be heated to 400 for powder coating. Don't know if this includes casting however. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > Del, > > There is more than one type of powder out there and you have to be careful > what is used. > > There is powder that is "bridging" powder that will stretch when the > underlying metal cracks and spreads apart. This is not what we would want > to use but they might use it on lawn furniture. Appropriate powders will > leave a coating that will crack when the underlying metal crack. I have > first hand experience in the matter. > > Nor do you want to use epoxy based powder which will rapidly deteriorate in > sunlight because, well, it is the nature of epoxy to chaulk in the sun. > > Some powders leave a coating that is as fragile as glass. This is no good > because a swinging wrench will chip it bad. > > For more very worthwhile reading on powder coating, go to the following link > for the article I wrote on the old BPA website: > > http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html > > Once you powdercoat, you will never go back.... > > > Chris Bobka > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "del magsam" <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam > <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > > > > I wouldn't use powdercoating if it was free, It hides cracks and is a bear > to do any further work on the part. I did my whole airplane with $16 worth > of high heat stove paint with a glossy top coat ( also high heat) shines > like powdercoating, but much safer and easier to work with. find it at > fireplace stores in colors of shiny black, forest green, cream color, and > cinnamon. It is also extemely durable to chips. It is one tough paint. > > Del > > > > I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable > > finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point) > > Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65. > > > > > > Del-New Richmond, Wi > > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > > > --------------------------------- > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:43:20 PM PST US
    From: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> Hello in Ohio. Actually the Sea King is an S-61, same style as the President's, but way more beat up. We stopped doing any mods or improvements in the early eighties, as they were scheduled to be replaced. This did not happen, due to a change in government, and our current Prime Minister has gotten himself so mired down in the issue, nothing will be done about it until after he retires this month. We haven't even given out requests for proposals, the way it's going we are looking at 2008-2010 before we get new helos. Unfortunately for us, in this part of the world, there are way too many people who have a lot of money, and not much common sense. You can buy any boat less than 65' and go out and be a menace with no license whatsoever. Of course you don't have to have money to be sutpid, for example we had a moron that decided to fish constance bank (12 miles from shore) in a 14' aluminum with a 15hp beat up Johnson. I talked to Mr simmons, I had passed along his info to a guy in Australia who wanted some Yellow Cedar. You may wish to contact him directly, I'm sure he has all the info on what it would cost. Long lengths are getting tricky, but he can get them in if the demand is there. If you can get others interested, the more the cheaper it would be! Mr. Simmons address is 4545 Otter Point Road, Sooke, British Columbia, Canada, V0S-1N0. His phone number is 250-642-5706, fax is 250-642-2423. Let me know if I can help out in any way. I'm doing the 3 piece wing, haven't updated mykitplanes.com for a couple of weeks, but I have the tail feathers all done, fuse is almost complete, and I've got most of the wing center section drying as we speak. I do have to revise my opinion on douglas fir, a pal brought some 3/4 X 3/4 X 12' over to give to me, and they were of very good quality. I'm sure I will be able to make good use of them!! I am counting the days til I can fly in my Piet!! Kip & Beth Gardner wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> > > At 12:46 AM -0500 11/29/03, dave rowe wrote: > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> > > Hey Dave, > > Just wondering, but are your Sea King helicopters anything like the CH-53's > our Navy uses? The reason I ask is that you made a comment about > 'parts-spewing'. My best friend back in Norfolk was a CH-53 pilot until he > got out of the Navy & went to work for some contractor doing something > classified with the GPS system. He rarely had a good thing to say about the > 53 & 'parts-spewing' would have been one of the milder comments. > > I will also say that our ship was NEVER went out in weather that might have > required someone like you to come out after us. Our captain was a Down > Easter who got his Master's license when he was 16 & his philosophy was > that science could wait for weather any day. > > BTW, I'm still real interested in Yellow Cedar for spar material whenever > you have the time to figure out if there is a reasonable way to ship it. > > Thanks! > > Kip Gardner, in NE Ohio, far,far from any Navy town. > > North Canton, OH >


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    Time: 07:56:45 PM PST US
    From: Wizzard187@aol.com
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:electronic ignition
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com Ron, and Pieters I am the guy interested in electronic ignition. I am using a cont 75 engine series 9 which has a thick back plate and the mags drive off the crank gear which means they run the opposite from most mags and the impulse must be the other direction. Also the spacing from the gear teeth to mounting surface is different than all other conts. So you ask; why are you using this engine? Well, I have a 1942 WW2 centrifical starter with a hand crank mounted that will blow you away if I ever get it done. The series 9 has a starter pad that takes a starter the drives off the face of the gear not the edge and was used on old radial engines. I had a PT 23 with a 220 cont that had a starter like this anad what a blast. I'm just trying to relive the old days. Ken Conrad in cool Iowa


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    Time: 08:10:01 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: w/b
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Chris, I started our chapter #615 in 1975. It is FULL of GREAT aviation enthusiast. I was building an RV-3 from plans at the time. It was the first RV to fly in Alabama. Today there are 15+ RV's flying or under construction in our chapter. WE do not have any weighing scales. Alex S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > Alex, from AL. The oint is that you should join your local EAA chapter. I > am pretty sure that Florence has a good group. > > Chris Bobka > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > > > Chris, > > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my > > Pietenpol weighed accurately. > > Where is chapter 25? > > Alex Sloan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > > > Dick, > > > > > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks, > you > > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at > > your > > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the > EXACT > > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in > > the > > > front 'pit. > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" > > > <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > > > > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The > scale > > I > > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it > agreed > > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while > > standing > > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each > > main > > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of > 7.01 > > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5. > > > > That error could have been very dangerous. > > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this. > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:13:37 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: w/b
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Chris, I started our chapter #615 in 1975. It is FULL of GREAT aviation enthusiast. I was building an RV-3 from plans at the time. It was the first RV to fly in Alabama. Today there are 15+ RV's flying or under construction in our chapter. WE do not have any weighing scales. Alex S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > Alex, from AL. The oint is that you should join your local EAA chapter. I > am pretty sure that Florence has a good group. > > Chris Bobka > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > > > Chris, > > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my > > Pietenpol weighed accurately. > > Where is chapter 25? > > Alex Sloan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > > > Dick, > > > > > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks, > you > > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look at > > your > > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the > EXACT > > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone in > > the > > > front 'pit. > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" > > > <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > > > > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The > scale > > I > > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it > agreed > > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while > > standing > > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on each > > main > > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of > 7.01 > > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5. > > > > That error could have been very dangerous. > > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this. > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:19:35 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Chris, If I can make it to Brodhead next year, I will volunteer to be a "GOFER" as needed to help any way with the W & B. Alex S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > Franck, > > I was thinking the same thing. Maybe see if we could do a "weigh in" at > Brodhead next year where we can do a "W and B" for anyone whose experimental > we can hoist up onto the scales. > > We can get someone with a computer program to do the printouts that would > suffice for the FAA. A couple of us who are A and Ps could sign it off for > those who don't have the Repariman Certificate for their aircraft. > > We could also weigh the ship with the pilot/passenger on board to determine > the exact location of the seats.... > > Anybody else interested? > > chris bobka > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Franck" <franck@geneseo.net> > To: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station? > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Franck <franck@geneseo.net> > > > > Sorry if this is a little off topic but.... After reading some posts about > > CG locations, gross weights/empty weights, etc., etc. I started > wondering.... > > Wouldn't it be a great service to our flying community if, at local, > > regional, and national Fly-Ins, area EAA chapters would set up a "weight > > station" by providing a set of certified scales and the manpower for there > > use? In all the years of attending various Fly-Ins and the EAA Convention > > at Oshkosh I don't know that I've ever seen this service provided. I'm > > guessing there are a lot of aircraft, after years of equipment changes, > > paint jobs, etc. that a free CG check might be a real eye opener to > owners. > > Or am I just opening another can of worms here? What do you think? > > Do not Archive > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:23:32 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> CH-53 is a lot bigger, 70000lb gross. Sea King about 21000 Same manufacurer- Sikorsky- sounds like they didn't do any better on one than the other. Clif > Hey Dave, > > Just wondering, but are your Sea King helicopters anything like the CH-53's > our Navy uses? The reason I ask is that you made a comment about > 'parts-spewing'. My best friend back in Norfolk was a CH-53 pilot until he > got out of the Navy & went to work for some contractor doing something > classified with the GPS system. He rarely had a good thing to say about the > 53 & 'parts-spewing' would have been one of the milder comments.


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    Time: 08:26:52 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: w/b
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Alex, Sounds like you need to beat the bushes for an old set of freight scales. By their nature, as long as the balance weights don't change weight, which is unlikely, they will never go outof calibration. We have a 50 pound or so chunk of iron that was measured on a certified scale and its exact weight is stamped into the piece. We always put this on the scales before weighing jsut to be sure. The uprights on the freight scales can be shortened with out anything out of wack. About a 30 minute job per scale. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > Chris, > I started our chapter #615 in 1975. It is FULL of GREAT aviation > enthusiast. I > was building an RV-3 from plans at the time. It was the first RV to fly in > Alabama. Today there are 15+ RV's flying or under construction in our > chapter. WE do not have any weighing scales. > Alex S. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > Alex, from AL. The oint is that you should join your local EAA chapter. > I > > am pretty sure that Florence has a good group. > > > > Chris Bobka > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" > <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > Chris, > > > I will be more than happy to join chapter 25 and pay the fee to get my > > > Pietenpol weighed accurately. > > > Where is chapter 25? > > > Alex Sloan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > > > > > Dick, > > > > > > > > If you join EAA CHapter 25 for 25 bucks and donate another ten bucks, > > you > > > > can use the chapter certified and calibrated scales when I come look > at > > > your > > > > ship. We could also weight the ship with you in it to determine the > > EXACT > > > > location of the cockpit CG. We could also do the same with someone > in > > > the > > > > front 'pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: w/b > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" > > > > <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > > > > > > > > > I did a safety re-weight of piet today and got a big suprise. The > > scale > > > I > > > > originally weighed with was a bathroom type. When I stepped on, it > > agreed > > > > with my known weight 200lb. When I held 2- 5gal cans of gas while > > > standing > > > > on it the reading was 20 lb off. I had weighed the piet at 265 on > each > > > main > > > > and 30 on the tail with a short fuse that would have been empty CG of > > 7.01 > > > > The actual weight turned out to be 297 on each main for a CG of 12.5. > > > > > That error could have been very dangerous. > > > > > Now I have to figure out how to deal with this. > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:32:41 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/03 5:46:24 PM Central Standard Time, bobka@compuserve.com writes: << I was thinking the same thing. Maybe see if we could do a "weigh in" at Brodhead next year where we can do a "W and B" for anyone whose experimental we can hoist up onto the scales. >> Chris, I am interested in helping, and participating. They did this in '94 at Brodhead, and I think it was helpful to builders and flyers alike. Here are the the '94 results : (note : if you 'maximize your screen, the columns line up) Tail # Eng. Fuselage Empty Wt. Empty Wt. C.G. Gross Weight Gross Weight C.G. w/170 lb. Pilot 170 lb. Pilot C.G. 7gal. Fuel Full Fuel 170 lb. Pass. N444MH Ford 'A' Short 648 7.49 17.72 1048 18.83 NX13691 Ford 'A' Short 676 11.83 21.04 1088 22.02 NX4662T Ford 'A' Short 671 13.69 20.45 1071 20.7 NX5228 Ford 'A' Long 684 6.69 16.16 1084 17.33 C FCMG 0-200 Long 774 15.25 20.42 1208 19.43 N 396S C-85 Long 820 15.2 18.61 1256 16.57 N 687MB 0-200 Long 705 5.59 14.57 1143 15.79 N 778DD Corvair Long 731 9.08 15.93 1191 14.98 BHP Corvair Long 8.71 9.51


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    Time: 08:41:44 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: more on powdercoating
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Cy, AC 43 refers to the impariment of 2024 and 2017 alloys if raised above 212 degrees F. This is all I have ever seen on heating aluminum. Cylinders on an engine are heated way beyond this all the time. I wonder what the case temperature is at the cylinder hold down studs. If you have other FAA info on heating aluminum to 400 degrees or so for powdercoating, I would like to see it. I wonder if the TSA has weighed in on powdercoating aluminum. It is rare that a casting will be heat treated. If anything, the heat will stress relieve. In the end, Dale did not powdercoat the case. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> > > Good, no, Great article except for the A-65 case. FAA doesn't permit > aluminum to be heated to 400 for powder coating. Don't know if this > includes casting however. > > Cy Galley > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > <bobka@compuserve.com> > > > > Del, > > > > There is more than one type of powder out there and you have to be careful > > what is used. > > > > There is powder that is "bridging" powder that will stretch when the > > underlying metal cracks and spreads apart. This is not what we would want > > to use but they might use it on lawn furniture. Appropriate powders will > > leave a coating that will crack when the underlying metal crack. I have > > first hand experience in the matter. > > > > Nor do you want to use epoxy based powder which will rapidly deteriorate > in > > sunlight because, well, it is the nature of epoxy to chaulk in the sun. > > > > Some powders leave a coating that is as fragile as glass. This is no good > > because a swinging wrench will chip it bad. > > > > For more very worthwhile reading on powder coating, go to the following > link > > for the article I wrote on the old BPA website: > > > > http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html > > > > Once you powdercoat, you will never go back.... > > > > > > Chris Bobka > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "del magsam" <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam > > <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > > > > > > I wouldn't use powdercoating if it was free, It hides cracks and is a > bear > > to do any further work on the part. I did my whole airplane with $16 worth > > of high heat stove paint with a glossy top coat ( also high heat) shines > > like powdercoating, but much safer and easier to work with. find it at > > fireplace stores in colors of shiny black, forest green, cream color, and > > cinnamon. It is also extemely durable to chips. It is one tough paint. > > > Del > > > > > > I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable > > > finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point) > > > Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65. > > > > > > > > > Del-New Richmond, Wi > > > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:52:08 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/03 10:35:30 PM Central Standard Time, Rcaprd@aol.com writes: << (note : if you 'maximize your screen, the columns line up) >> I just opened my own e-mail, and tried 'maximising' the screen, and it didn't work. If you click / paste to a word program, maybe then with some editing, you can get the columns to line up. Chuck G.


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    Time: 09:40:25 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: CG Check Station?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com> Dave Rowe and Kip, Sounds like you do the kind of flying like in "The Perfect Storm"... Anyway, I would be interested in some yellow cedar and doug fir although lengths about ten feet or so are good enough for me. Rough sawn to a 3/4" -1" thickness is fine and widths greater than 4". Just a few boards of fir, and maybe 15 or so of YC. Is this possible? If the pieters that go to brodhead could get a big order together, you could ship to me in MN as one order and then I could get it to Brodhead for the flyin to be picked up. This might work for Kip. Chris bobka Minneapolis, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave rowe" <rowed044@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> > > Hello in Ohio. Actually the Sea King is an S-61, same style as the > President's, but way more beat up. We stopped doing any mods or > improvements in the early eighties, as they were scheduled to be > replaced. This did not happen, due to a change in government, and our > current Prime Minister has gotten himself so mired down in the issue, > nothing will be done about it until after he retires this month. We > haven't even given out requests for proposals, the way it's going we are > looking at 2008-2010 before we get new helos. > > Unfortunately for us, in this part of the world, there are way too many > people who have a lot of money, and not much common sense. You can buy > any boat less than 65' and go out and be a menace with no license > whatsoever. Of course you don't have to have money to be sutpid, for > example we had a moron that decided to fish constance bank (12 miles > from shore) in a 14' aluminum with a 15hp beat up Johnson. > > I talked to Mr simmons, I had passed along his info to a guy in > Australia who wanted some Yellow Cedar. You may wish to contact him > directly, I'm sure he has all the info on what it would cost. Long > lengths are getting tricky, but he can get them in if the demand is > there. If you can get others interested, the more the cheaper it would > be! Mr. Simmons address is 4545 Otter Point Road, Sooke, > British Columbia, Canada, V0S-1N0. His phone number is 250-642-5706, > fax is 250-642-2423. Let me know if I can help out in any way. I'm > doing the 3 piece wing, haven't updated mykitplanes.com for a couple of > weeks, but I have the tail feathers all done, fuse is almost complete, > and I've got most of the wing center section drying as we speak. I do > have to revise my opinion on douglas fir, a pal brought some 3/4 X 3/4 > X 12' over to give to me, and they were of very good quality. I'm sure > I will be able to make good use of them!! > > I am counting the days til I can fly in my Piet!! > > Kip & Beth Gardner wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> > > > > At 12:46 AM -0500 11/29/03, dave rowe wrote: > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca> > > > > Hey Dave, > > > > Just wondering, but are your Sea King helicopters anything like the CH-53's > > our Navy uses? The reason I ask is that you made a comment about > > 'parts-spewing'. My best friend back in Norfolk was a CH-53 pilot until he > > got out of the Navy & went to work for some contractor doing something > > classified with the GPS system. He rarely had a good thing to say about the > > 53 & 'parts-spewing' would have been one of the milder comments. > > > > I will also say that our ship was NEVER went out in weather that might have > > required someone like you to come out after us. Our captain was a Down > > Easter who got his Master's license when he was 16 & his philosophy was > > that science could wait for weather any day. > > > > BTW, I'm still real interested in Yellow Cedar for spar material whenever > > you have the time to figure out if there is a reasonable way to ship it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kip Gardner, in NE Ohio, far,far from any Navy town. > > > > North Canton, OH > > > >




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