---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/01/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:00 AM - Re: more on powdercoating (DJ Vegh) 2. 08:37 AM - GN-1 near Danville, Indiana ? (Michael D Cuy) 3. 04:00 PM - cool bumper sticker (w b evans) 4. 04:49 PM - Re: CG Check Station? (Kip & Beth Gardner) 5. 05:01 PM - steel fuse piet on ebay (Brants) 6. 07:31 PM - Re: more on powdercoating (Ted Brousseau) 7. 08:08 PM - Re: Corky in the SAA mag (Gnwac@cs.com) 8. 08:18 PM - Re: more on powdercoating (Christian Bobka) 9. 08:22 PM - Piets in central NC? (Mike Burr) 10. 11:55 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:46 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" hmmm.... my aluminum heads on my Corvair redline at 575 degrees and I typically run them at 350-400. I don't know what alloy they are though. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" > AC 43 refers to the impariment of 2024 and 2017 alloys if raised above 212 > degrees F. This is all I have ever seen on heating aluminum. Cylinders on > an engine are heated way beyond this all the time. I wonder what the case > temperature is at the cylinder hold down studs. If you have other FAA info > on heating aluminum to 400 degrees or so for powdercoating, I would like to ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:01 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 near Danville, Indiana ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Group--do any of you know this gentleman or his plane at all ? Thanks ! Mike C. N-number : N104WC Aircraft Serial Number : 1893 Aircraft Manufacturer : TIMMERMAN WARREN H Model : GN-1 AIRCAMPER Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : A&C65 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1998 Owner Name : TIMMERMAN WARREN H Owner Address : 2214 W 350 S DANVILLE, IN, 46122 Type of Owner : Individual Registration Date : 04-Mar-1997 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental Approved Operations : Amateur Built ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:23 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool bumper sticker --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Saw a great bumper sticker the other day,,, "JUST BECAUSE I'M A WANDERER, DOESN"T MEAN I'M LOST" walt evans NX140DL do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:46 PM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner Chris, That could work out for me very well, although I guess it would mean having to drive instead of hopping a ride in Gene Rambo's airborne hot rod :) I need 4 good pieces for spars (3/4" finished - I don't want to bother with routing), so I'm probably pushing the length limit in terms of what's available. Maybe we can pull this all together over the winter. Thanks! Kip At 12:37 AM -0500 12/01/03, Christian Bobka wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > >Dave Rowe and Kip, > >Sounds like you do the kind of flying like in "The Perfect Storm"... > >Anyway, I would be interested in some yellow cedar and doug fir although >lengths about ten feet or so are good enough for me. Rough sawn to a >3/4" -1" thickness is fine and widths greater than 4". Just a few boards of >fir, and maybe 15 or so of YC. Is this possible? > >If the pieters that go to brodhead could get a big order together, you could >ship to me in MN as one order and then I could get it to Brodhead for the >flyin to be picked up. This might work for Kip. > >Chris bobka >Minneapolis, MN >> I talked to Mr simmons, I had passed along his info to a guy in >> Australia who wanted some Yellow Cedar. You may wish to contact him >> directly, I'm sure he has all the info on what it would cost. Long >> lengths are getting tricky, but he can get them in if the demand is >> there. If you can get others interested, the more the cheaper it would >> be! Mr. Simmons address is 4545 Otter Point Road, Sooke, >> British Columbia, Canada, V0S-1N0. His phone number is 250-642-5706, >> fax is 250-642-2423. Let me know if I can help out in any way. I'm >> doing the 3 piece wing, haven't updated mykitplanes.com for a couple of >> weeks, but I have the tail feathers all done, fuse is almost complete, >> and I've got most of the wing center section drying as we speak. I do >> have to revise my opinion on douglas fir, a pal brought some 3/4 X 3/4 >> X 12' over to give to me, and they were of very good quality. I'm sure >> I will be able to make good use of them!! >> >> I am counting the days til I can fly in my Piet!! North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:24 PM PST US From: "Brants" Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel fuse piet on ebay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brants" Anyone interested in steel fuselage? Probably go to someone in CA who can check it out. item #2446124582 Tom B. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:57 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Chris, Will powder coating solve the problem of bolts knocking off the coating on bolt holes in metal fittings and then rusting? A big problem down here in Florida. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Del, > > There is more than one type of powder out there and you have to be careful > what is used. > > There is powder that is "bridging" powder that will stretch when the > underlying metal cracks and spreads apart. This is not what we would want > to use but they might use it on lawn furniture. Appropriate powders will > leave a coating that will crack when the underlying metal crack. I have > first hand experience in the matter. > > Nor do you want to use epoxy based powder which will rapidly deteriorate in > sunlight because, well, it is the nature of epoxy to chaulk in the sun. > > Some powders leave a coating that is as fragile as glass. This is no good > because a swinging wrench will chip it bad. > > For more very worthwhile reading on powder coating, go to the following link > for the article I wrote on the old BPA website: > > http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html > > Once you powdercoat, you will never go back.... > > > Chris Bobka > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "del magsam" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam > > > > > I wouldn't use powdercoating if it was free, It hides cracks and is a bear > to do any further work on the part. I did my whole airplane with $16 worth > of high heat stove paint with a glossy top coat ( also high heat) shines > like powdercoating, but much safer and easier to work with. find it at > fireplace stores in colors of shiny black, forest green, cream color, and > cinnamon. It is also extemely durable to chips. It is one tough paint. > > Del > > > > I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable > > finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point) > > Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65. > > > > > > Del-New Richmond, Wi > > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > > > --------------------------------- > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:42 PM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky in the SAA mag --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com Piet-ers, Found a steel tube fuse on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26439&item=2446124582 Greg Menoche ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:31 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Ted, I would say if you used the powder sold by Eastwood, which is a good , general purpose, polyurethane based powder, it would be tough enough. I infer that you mean the paint scraped by a bolt turning in it hole while almost tight? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > Chris, > > Will powder coating solve the problem of bolts knocking off the coating on > bolt holes in metal fittings and then rusting? A big problem down here in > Florida. > > Ted > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > > > Del, > > > > There is more than one type of powder out there and you have to be careful > > what is used. > > > > There is powder that is "bridging" powder that will stretch when the > > underlying metal cracks and spreads apart. This is not what we would want > > to use but they might use it on lawn furniture. Appropriate powders will > > leave a coating that will crack when the underlying metal crack. I have > > first hand experience in the matter. > > > > Nor do you want to use epoxy based powder which will rapidly deteriorate > in > > sunlight because, well, it is the nature of epoxy to chaulk in the sun. > > > > Some powders leave a coating that is as fragile as glass. This is no good > > because a swinging wrench will chip it bad. > > > > For more very worthwhile reading on powder coating, go to the following > link > > for the article I wrote on the old BPA website: > > > > http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html > > > > Once you powdercoat, you will never go back.... > > > > > > Chris Bobka > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "del magsam" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam > > > > > > > > I wouldn't use powdercoating if it was free, It hides cracks and is a > bear > > to do any further work on the part. I did my whole airplane with $16 worth > > of high heat stove paint with a glossy top coat ( also high heat) shines > > like powdercoating, but much safer and easier to work with. find it at > > fireplace stores in colors of shiny black, forest green, cream color, and > > cinnamon. It is also extemely durable to chips. It is one tough paint. > > > Del > > > > > > I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durable > > > finish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point) > > > Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65. > > > > > > > > > Del-New Richmond, Wi > > > "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:43 PM PST US From: Mike Burr Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Burr Hi all, I'm new to the list. Unfortunately I'm still in the "contemplating" stage of building my Pietenpol. I have many, many questions, but I'll try to show some restraint and not be a list hog. Here goes the first: Are there any Aircamper owners/builders within a couple hours drive of Winston-Salem or Greensboro North Carolina? I'd love the opportunity to see a real-live Piet and perhaps combine efforts with a local builder. Thanks, Mike. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:26 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. 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