---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/03/03: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Re: Building efficiently (Clif Dawson) 2. 09:13 AM - Re: Building efficiently (Hodgson, Mark O) 3. 10:43 AM - Re: Building efficiently (Mike B.) 4. 11:16 AM - Canadian myths (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 11:42 AM - Re: Building efficiently (JamesJboyer@aol.com) 6. 11:49 AM - Ft. Lauderdale- off topic- help needed (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 12:10 PM - Re: Ft. Lauderdale- off topic- help needed (craigwilcox@peoplepc.com) 8. 12:30 PM - Re: Ft. Lauderdale- off topic- help needed (Dean Pacetti) 9. 12:56 PM - Re: Building efficiently (At7000ft@aol.com) 10. 03:42 PM - Re: Building efficiently (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 11. 07:31 PM - Re: more on powdercoating (Ted Brousseau) 12. 09:16 PM - Re: Building efficiently (Gnwac@cs.com) 13. 10:52 PM - Re: Canadian myths (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:16 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson An expert was teaching a class of business students. In front of him was a gallon, wide mouth jar. He proceeded to fill it with fist size rocks. When no more would go in he asked, " Is it full? " All said yes! He then poured in gravel, shaking it down between the rocks. " Is it full?" he asked. This time they said probably not. He then dumped as much sand in as it would hold. Again " Is it full?" No they shouted. Good! he said, pouring water in the jar, filling it. " What's the point of this?" he asked. One said that no matter how full your schedule you can always fit more in. " NO!" the expert replied. The point is, take care of the big rocks first or you'll never get them in at all. What are your "Big Rocks" ? Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" The only thing I have to add is this, Don't wait until you "have > time" or "have the money" to start building. You will never have enough time > or money so you might as well get on with it. Like my grandpa always told me, > if you have the time your probably wasting it in a pine box and if you have > the money you've probably collect on your life insurance. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently From: "Hodgson, Mark O" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" Still in the process of building up my workshop and reading books by Wanjatta and Bingelis, I want to thank the list for all of these notes. What a great resource! I built a modified "mobile workbench" per Bingelis' article, 2' X 4', which is bigger than his 30" square suggestion. I built it to be supported and rolled around when necessary by a 4-wheel hand truck, and by the time I had my drill press, bench grinder, and belt sander mounted on it the only way you could put it on the hand truck without getting a hernia was with a car jack and jack stands--still useful but not nearly as convenient as the lockable, but unspec'ed out tiny casters in the Bingelis article. To get to the point: I don't see how anyone could get the 4 powertools suggested on a 30" square table with convertible casters that could be easily moved around but still be leveled in a stationary position like the article says. Nothing like practical experience. Thanks again, Mark Hodgson Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:49 AM PST US From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." Thanks to everyone for great suggestions, help, input. I'm sure that I do have a naive outlook on the build process, having not started yet. Let me emphasize that I *do* look forward to the build process, and am not looking to cut any corners. I just wanted to identify a few things that I could do to make the build process go faster. I don't think anyone sets out to take as long as possible. My objective will continue to be to build an airplane as quickly as practical (because I'm interested in the "science" of it, not because I'm lazy, sloppy, unsafe or impatient), but I'll try not to return to this theme until I have some sawdust on the floor of my new shop and lots of T-88 in the webs of my fingers. -Mike B. > I said: ... > I'd try to use my current free time by giving as much thought as > possible to how to build efficiently (time wise.) ... > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:28 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Canadian myths --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Dave wrote- >Here in Canada all we need is a spotlight and a whistle. Truly the spirit of simple homebuilding, eh? >We have twice the land and 1/10th the population >we figure hey, what are the chances of hitting one another. C'mon; you expect us to believe those numbers? Canada actually has only 1.073 times the total area (3,855,103 sq. mi. versus 3,593,765 sq. mi. for the U.S.) and much of that is water, which you guys fly over as readily as you do over land. And as far as population, you actually only have nearly 1/11th the population (2001 figures... 31,021,000 Canadians versus 284,797,000 U.S. citizens). But you've gotta figure that a good fraction of those Canadians are Quebecois and you know they're much more likely to hit one another ;o) >I suppose you guys don't use hand-carved props held together with >Moose Glue! Um... don't rule it out. We used to have this guy called "The Fisherman" here on the list. Check the archives for some interesting reading ;o) Now I guess the next thing you'll start with is that you're going to tan some beaver hides to make the leather for the coaming around your cockpits, eh? Holiday greetings to our flying friends up north! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:20 AM PST US From: JamesJboyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JamesJboyer@aol.com Greg, I got the sheet metal shears from Harbor Freight. They work very well to cut the sheet metal to make the aileron horns, etc. out of 0.032" 4130. They are not big enough though for the engine mounts, cabane strut fittings, etc. Jim Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:28 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ft. Lauderdale- off topic- help needed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Hello, Piet friends- We're going on a cruise out of Ft. Lauderdale, sailing Monday 12/8, but we arrive at the airport on Sunday 12/7 and need a recommendation on a hotel for the night. Any of you Pieters familiar with the airport and dock area of Ft. Lauderdale that could help out with a good hotel? Think clean, reasonable, and not too remote. And since we don't sail till the afternoon Monday, we're thinking of grabbing a taxi or shuttle into Miami on Monday morning to find some of that Cuban coffee for breakfast on Calle Ocho in Little Havana. If the fare is too expensive, we might consider renting a car for the day but worry that it'll get stolen while we're in having breakfast. Even though we aren't elderly German tourists ;o) Thanks, friends. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:54 PM PST US From: craigwilcox@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ft. Lauderdale- off topic- help needed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: craigwilcox@peoplepc.com On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:49:14 -0600, "Oscar Zuniga" wrote: OSCAR - Try the marriott, just north of the harbor. Stayed there last month, very nice, very clean. Just a bit on the fancy side, enjoyable. Less than 10 min from Port Everglades. If you were going to be here longer, you could visit my Duce project in Jupiter, about 50 miles north. Craig > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Hello, Piet friends- > > We're going on a cruise out of Ft. Lauderdale, sailing > Monday 12/8, but we > arrive at the airport on Sunday 12/7 and need a > recommendation on a hotel > for the night. Any of you Pieters familiar with the > airport and dock area > of Ft. Lauderdale that could help out with a good > hotel? PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:57 PM PST US From: Dean Pacetti Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ft. Lauderdale- off topic- help needed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dean Pacetti If the Merriot is to much money, try the Sleep Inn on Sheridan St. I stay there all the time and I'm in Ft. Laud. quite often. For good breakfast and bakery try Grandpa's Resturant in Daina. Dean in Auburndale, Fl. Oscar Zuniga wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Hello, Piet friends- We're going on a cruise out of Ft. Lauderdale, sailing Monday 12/8, but we arrive at the airport on Sunday 12/7 and need a recommendation on a hotel for the night. Any of you Pieters familiar with the airport and dock area of Ft. Lauderdale that could help out with a good hotel? Think clean, reasonable, and not too remote. And since we don't sail till the afternoon Monday, we're thinking of grabbing a taxi or shuttle into Miami on Monday morning to find some of that Cuban coffee for breakfast on Calle Ocho in Little Havana. If the fare is too expensive, we might consider renting a car for the day but worry that it'll get stolen while we're in having breakfast. Even though we aren't elderly German tourists ;o) Thanks, friends. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:53 PM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com Chris Have you read the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance?". About a father and his son and their motorcycle. When you get done with your Piet (if ever) you can write a new book about you and your son's experience called "Zen and the art of Pietenpol building". Or maybe you can start it now, its cheap, it only requires some pencil and paper. Rick Holland |> Basically, I have no time or money. If I can get one hour |> of building/zen time in the garage a day I feel lucky. |> Fortunately I have a |> very limited building fund. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:39 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" I bought one of their nibblers and it was a POS. worked for about 8" and just stopped. When I would put it to a small piece of metal it wouldn't move at all. What they do have that is worth the money is a "vice brake" it comes in sizes from 4" to 8" and uses a vice to provide the power to bend metal. Works great ! and they are cheap, about $ 14-$ 19 depending on size. It has a wedge on one side and a V side on the other and the parts have heavy magnets which attach to the vice jaws, just crank down and bent the metal to 90 degrees or more with a wedge. With a large vice and by grinding the radius on the wedge you can bend 1/8 " 4130, but not to 90 degrees. Dennis Engelkenjohn ps..Harbor Freight welding helmets work well too. Bought an auto darkening for $ 59 last week and it is great. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com > > Piet-ers, > Since we are on the subject of tools, I'm receiving a Rotorzip with > the metal grinder and sander attachment, and a 9 inch band saw for Christmas. I > had seen a sheet metal nibbler that can cut from 22 to 19g at Habor Freight. > Should I invest in this nibbler too? > Greg Menoche > Delaware > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:27 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Chris, Yes, that is it. The bolt knocks of the inside coating of the hole and then starts to breed corrosion. Sure would like to come up with something flexible that would protect that metal. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Ted, I would say if you used the powder sold by Eastwood, which is a good , > general purpose, polyurethane based powder, it would be tough enough. I > infer that you mean the paint scraped by a bolt turning in it hole while > almost tight? > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brousseau" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more on powdercoating > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > > > > Chris, > > > > Will powder coating solve the problem of bolts knocking off the coating on > > bolt holes in metal fittings and then rusting? A big problem down here in > > Florida. > > > > Ted ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:42 PM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently "see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview": Thanks.Jim.for.saving.me.some.bucks.I.was.hoping.they.could.save.time.with.the.other.parts.as.well.Greg.Menoche.Thanks.Jim.for.saving.me.some.bucks.I.was.hoping.they.could.save.time.wi --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com Thanks Jim for saving me some bucks. I was hoping they could save time with the other parts as well. Greg Menoche ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:47 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Canadian myths --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Oh No! Who told him about the hides? Wasn't me Dave! Honest! Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Dave wrote- > > >Here in Canada all we need is a spotlight and a whistle.> > I guess the next thing you'll start with is that you're going to tan some > beaver hides to make the leather for the coaming around your cockpits, eh? > > Holiday greetings to our flying friends up north!