---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/06/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:15 AM - Wingspan (piet@pointdx.com) 2. 11:25 AM - Re: Help me decide (Gnwac@cs.com) 3. 03:19 PM - Re: Changing rear seat-back angle (Wizzard187@aol.com) 4. 04:25 PM - Pietenpol List/Matronics Contributions (Roger & Kathy Green) 5. 04:54 PM - Re: Wingspan (Dmott9@aol.com) 6. 05:23 PM - Re: Wingspan (Mike B.) 7. 09:30 PM - Re: Wingspan (Rcaprd@aol.com) 8. 10:34 PM - Ski (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:42 AM PST US From: piet@pointdx.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wingspan --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: piet@pointdx.com Does anyone have any experience/knowledge about building Piets with varying wingspans? Seems to me that if one isn't going for speed, one may as well go for shorter takeoff rolls(?), shallower glide path(?), etc, and therefore maybe extend the wings just a bit. Would this require any changes to the tail surfaces? -Mike B. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:28 AM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Help me decide --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gnwac@cs.com Hi Chris and other Piet-ers, For those that are wishing to start a GN 1, I have a partal built for sale. You can call me at 302 462 5251 (c). I don't want to waste list time. I personally wanted to build a Piet. I have come by this one and need to sell. Thanks, Greg Menoche Delaware "Bill Budgell" wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Budgell" > >Hi: Chris > >I cant help you on all your requests but can on some things. The best wood I >have seen and used is from wicks aircraft or western aircraft in Canada. As >far as the difference between pietenpol and GN1 I can only say about the >pietenpol is truly a very nice plane to fly I have 450hrs in a pietenpol >with 65 cont and enjoyed every bit of it even in the snow on skies. And now >I'm building my own. > > Bill Budgell >----- Original Message ----- >From: Christopher Smith >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help me decide > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christopher Smith" > >> >> I am new to the list and am looking for as much info as possible about >> choosing between the Pietenpol and the GN-1. >> I have noticed that the plans for the GN-1 are only $50. Does that >> include the wing or do you have to use J-3 wings? >> Also, a look at the wood kits for the Piet & GN-1 in AS&S has a price >> difference of about $300. What are the main >> differences in the in the two designs that are reflected in those >> prices? >> Thanks for all the help, >> Christopher W. E. Smith >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:49 PM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Changing rear seat-back angle --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com The biggest reason I would move the seat back is to get my eyes a little farther away from the instrument panel. Maybe I am getting far sighted in my old age. Ken Conrad in cool Iowa. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:57 PM PST US From: Roger & Kathy Green Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol List/Matronics Contributions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Roger & Kathy Green Oscar, I see you made it on the Matronics contributors list, just barely, that is! The very bottom of the list - but you are TOPs with us! Thanks for being around. Random ROG Libby, Montana First rib in the jig. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:19 PM PST US From: Dmott9@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wingspan --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dmott9@aol.com In a message dated 12/6/03 2:16:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, piet@pointdx.com writes: > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge about building Piets with varying > wingspans? Seems to me that if one isn't going for speed, one may as well go > for > shorter takeoff rolls(?), shallower glide path(?), etc, and therefore maybe > extend the wings just a bit. > > Would this require any changes to the tail surfaces? > > -Mike B. I have and idea you might try. If you have access to an RC Flight Simulator, like RealFlight G2, one you can make changes to the aircraft with, you could do just that. Lengthen the wings, change the cord, reposition the tail surfaces, as well as enlarge or change the shape of the tail surfaces. Then you can fly these changes to see how they fly. I think FMS is another Simulator, one that already has a Pietenpol data file for it. The structural changes you'd have to take on yourself however. Changing one thing at a time would be the best thing to do. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:00 PM PST US From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wingspan --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." Hmm. X-Plane has a piet available too, I think. Good idea. Might take a while, but I'll certainly report my results if I do so. Dmott9@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dmott9@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/6/03 2:16:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, piet@pointdx.com > writes: > > >>Does anyone have any experience/knowledge about building Piets with varying >> wingspans? Seems to me that if one isn't going for speed, one may as well > > go > >>for >> shorter takeoff rolls(?), shallower glide path(?), etc, and therefore maybe >> extend the wings just a bit. >> >> Would this require any changes to the tail surfaces? >> >> -Mike B. > > > I have and idea you might try. > > If you have access to an RC Flight Simulator, like RealFlight G2, one you > can make changes to the aircraft with, you could do just that. Lengthen the > wings, change the cord, reposition the tail surfaces, as well as enlarge or > change the shape of the tail surfaces. Then you can fly these changes to see how > they fly. > I think FMS is another Simulator, one that already has a Pietenpol data file > for it. > > The structural changes you'd have to take on yourself however. Changing one > thing at a time would be the best thing to do. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:37 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wingspan --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 12/6/03 1:16:32 PM Central Standard Time, piet@pointdx.com writes: << Does anyone have any experience/knowledge about building Piets with varying wingspans? Seems to me that if one isn't going for speed, one may as well go for shorter takeoff rolls(?), shallower glide path(?), etc, and therefore maybe extend the wings just a bit. Would this require any changes to the tail surfaces? >> Mike, Anytime you change anything on an airplane, it has a ripple effect. ESPECIALLY, something like the wing !! The required engineering involved would be in depth. The Pietenpol is a well proven design, and if you change the wingspan, you change stress points, the size of the empenage, trim drag, inertia effects, component size, bending moments, and a host of other things. Don't change the wing !! Build it to the proven plans. You will live much longer !! Chuck Gantzer Wichita KS NX770CG Pietenpols Forever !! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:16 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ski --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Hey Walt E. - ya got your skis mounted ? I see the North East got their first big snow storm. Chuck G.