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1. 04:32 AM - Re: New shop (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: New shop (John Myers)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: New shop (Cy Galley)
4. 06:01 AM - New shop (Sayre, William G)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: New shop (Robert Haines)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: New shop (John Ford)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: New shop (Gadd, Skip)
8. 08:00 AM - Re: New shop (Mike)
9. 08:12 AM - Re: New shop (Barry Davis)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: New shop (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 09:30 AM - Re: New shop (Mike B.)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: New shop (Lynn & Doris Knoll)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: New shop (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
14. 10:03 AM - Re: New shop (Michael D Cuy)
15. 10:10 AM - Re: New shop (Kent Hallsten)
16. 10:22 AM - Stuff on eBay (czechsix@juno.com)
17. 11:01 AM - Re: New shop (DJ Vegh)
18. 11:30 AM - Re: New shop (Mike B.)
19. 01:29 PM - Re: New shop (Kent Hallsten)
20. 02:01 PM - Re: New shop (Mike B.)
21. 02:02 PM - Re: New shop (Lynn & Doris Knoll)
22. 02:02 PM - Re: Survey (carl loar)
23. 02:18 PM - Re: New shop (John Ford)
24. 02:52 PM - new shop (w b evans)
25. 04:50 PM - Re: New shop (Jack Phillips)
26. 04:50 PM - Re: Survey (Jack Phillips)
27. 05:01 PM - Re: New shop (Jack Phillips)
28. 07:03 PM - Re: New shop (Rcaprd@aol.com)
29. 07:26 PM - Fw: New shop (Roger & Kathy Green)
30. 09:01 PM - Re: New shop and a GREAT x-mas present for our military heros! (Bert Conoly)
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12/10/2003 07:31:52 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org
Hey Mike: I think you should build it in my back yard, thus avoiding the
increase in realestate taxes. Of course in exchange I will build my project
in there ;-)
John
"Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>@matronics.com on 12/10/2003 12:10:30 AM
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
should I consider?
-Mike.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Myers <jmyers@powernet.org>
Mike, FWIW my shop is much more functional after I added a bathroom
including a small water heater. I also put in a shower but have never used
it. Other half has threatened to exile me there someday, so it may come in
handy. Fortunately, I put pvc plumbing traps and pipe before pouring the
slab.
Electric outlets and lighting is a big deal for me so good planning as you
build your dream shop is a must.
Good luck
John
At 11:10 PM 12/9/2003, you wrote:
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>
>I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
>was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
>the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
>I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
>installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
>specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
>what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
>should I consider?
>
>-Mike.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I would make sure that there is a vapor barrier under the slab for sure.
Perimeter insulation for colder climates plus heating coils in the slab. Of
course, if you are in a cold climate, insulate heavily. Cheap and easy now.
difficult later. Lots of lighting and outlets. Master switches by the door.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
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From: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
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>
> I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
> was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
> the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
> I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
> installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
> specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
> what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
> should I consider?
>
> -Mike.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
When I asked this question to my father who always had a shop wherever we lived,
his response was...
"you can't build a shop too big and NEVER - EVER put a post in the middle!"
30'x40'x13' sounds great to me and the advice about lighting and power receptacles
is right on. One suggestion on lighting, have two switches - one for minimum
lighting, and the other turns on the rest. It's amazing how often you just
trip in and out of the shop getting tools or parts and don't need all that light.
I wired my shop this way and use that feature quite a bit.
Hope that's of some help!
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From: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
should I consider?
-Mike.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
Mike,
I built a 20'x20' two story garage/shop (my property is very small). Since
I couldn't go wide, I went up. I'm assuming that you won't be putting on a
second floor but if you are, make sure that you design for the least amount
to no vertical supports holding up the floor. I spanned the whole 20'.
Much wider and I would have to had run a beam and a row of columns down the
middle of the space; not a good thing.
Also, since my floor to ceiling was 7'-6", I am able to just reach the
bottom of the ceiling. I put outlets on the ceiling so when I have my
tablesaw or whatever in the middle of the room, I just go up... not across
the floor, over the bench, and behind the shelves. If the ceiling isn't low
enough to reach, run it up to 10' for the extra volume. You've already
bought the floor and roof, a few extra feet of wall doesn't add much.
If you are buying premanufactured roof trusses, talk to the lumber yard or
manufacturer and see if they have the "bonus space" style available.
Essentially, the center of the truss will have a nice open square, maybe 4'
wide, in the middle that you can drop a floor onto and use as extra storage.
It's real nice to have plenty of outlets, mount them all at 48". Floor
level outlets in a garage doesn't make much sense. Put the air compressor
on it own circuit (preferably in someone else's garage, mine's making me
deaf). Install at least one 220V welding outlet near the garage door, I'm
always using my MIG to fix something that I can't get in the shop. Not to
mention wood shaving and welding sparks don't mix. Put flood lights on the
outside to light up your outside work area. All outlets should be GFCI
protected and if it's three car or larger, it needs floor drains (and
possibly a grease separator) by BOCA and ICC code. I live in a small town
with no code enforcement, lucky me.
If you are planning on insulating and paneling (you are obviously made of
money) use OSB for the bottom 4' and then drywall above. The OSB holds up
better and the drywall is cheap. Painted white and covered with shelves and
benches, you won't notice the OSB. If you really have the coin, replace the
drywall with pegboard. A lawyer friend covered the whole inside of his
garage with pine beadboard pegboard and had is stained... it looks beautiful
but a little overkill to hang an extension cord, a rake, and a broom.
Lots of lights.
Consider how you are going to heat it. If you are going to be in there
eight hours a day, five days a week, it makes sense to spend a little more
money on a heating/cooling system and insulation. If it's just a few hours
a week, the insulation will never return the investment. Consider underslab
radiant heat. If you are near, I have a two year old 140000btu boiler that
came out of the house we are remodeling that I can sell you (I'm really just
trying to get it out of my shop). Any gas appliance in the space should be
sealed combustion, although I use a kerosene heater (obviously an exposed
flame). Airborne sawdust in the right density is explosive and it's
possible to get there if the bag on your dust collector pops loose.
Don't make it so nice that the wife and kids want to hang out in there. And
stay strong right from the begining that it will NOT be a place to store
Christmas decoration, the kids old toys, the treadmill that nobody uses,
boxes and boxes of crap that should be thrown away or given to Goodwill.
And you will need at least one Snap-On tool calendar (you know, the ones
where there's a new girl each month holding a tool). It's wife repellant.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
Time: 09:10:33 PM PST US
From: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
should I consider?
-Mike.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
A hoist suspended from a track running the length of the shop, so you
can move heavy stuff by yourself. Phone and Ethernet capability for
ordering parts and those late nights reading this list on your laptop.
A place for the coffee pot where it won't get filled with sawdust.
Running water (and drainage) for aforementioned coffee pot and washing
up. Overhead storage racks for tubing, wood, etc., and a comfortable
place to hide William Wynne while he builds your Corvair engine under
duress after you've kidnapped him. ;-) (that was a joke, by the way)
john
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> piet@pointdx.com Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:10:30 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
specific things might I consider before I get started? Most
importantly,
what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
should I consider?
-Mike.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
What a bunch of great suggestions! This list is just great. I have been
thinking about my dream shop a lot lately and still picked up some great
ideas.
My shop will have a wood floor, so I can put electric outlets and sawdust
suction system in the floor. Wood is cheaper but more work than cement.
One suggestion on the master switch by the door, put it high, at least 5 1/2
feet, keeps it away from little hands.
As we are talking dream shop here, it seems during construction it would be
easy to plumb a PVC air system through the shop and have outlets for air as
well as electricity.
Skip
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
I think a lot of the guys on this list are jealous of your new shop, Mike. I
know I am.
One thing that often gets overlooked in shop space is the floor. New concrete
needs to be sealed to keep it from chalking and putting cement dust in
everything. If you seal it with a light colored floor treatment, such as
white or very light gray, it will be much easier to find small things you've
dropped and the place will be brighter for a given amount of lighting. The
inevitable workplace safety inspection of a new government hangar space I
worked in once discovered that the white painted floor saved nearly 30% on
lighting costs.
Mike Hardaway
"Mike B." wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
> I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
> was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
> the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
> I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
> installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
> specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
> what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
> should I consider?
>
> -Mike.
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Go ahead and double the size!!!!!
At least design it so it can be added-on to later (roof pitched the right
way, etc.)
bed
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Fellow next door is building his dream shop. Started with a two bay car
garage on the east side, 24X24, then the shop on the west side of the slab, 24X36
w/ plumbing. THEN his wife said, we need a guest suite ( for the in-laws) so up
he went, apartment over shop, storage over garage w/ a lower roof. Then the
wife said, dormer windows would look nice on the front side, sooooooooooo I'm
hesitant to ask what this is costing but it will surely pan out as they are
young and eager.
It will be a very nice addition to our block.
CMC in La
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
My dad uses PVC pipe do distribute air. No leaks *or* explosions in 12
years. Works just great. One thing that he did that I thought was clever
was to use a T to put the chuck about 1 foot above the end of the
(vertical) pipe, then have a plain old water spigot type valve at the
bottom end of the pipe to bleed out water and other crud periodically.
Gadd, Skip wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
>
> What a bunch of great suggestions! This list is just great. I have been
> thinking about my dream shop a lot lately and still picked up some great
> ideas.
> My shop will have a wood floor, so I can put electric outlets and sawdust
> suction system in the floor. Wood is cheaper but more work than cement.
> One suggestion on the master switch by the door, put it high, at least 5 1/2
> feet, keeps it away from little hands.
> As we are talking dream shop here, it seems during construction it would be
> easy to plumb a PVC air system through the shop and have outlets for air as
> well as electricity.
> Skip
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
Hi Mike,
A friend of mine is having a shop built so I'll pass on these bits of
information. He put in electrical outlets every 3 feet in all the walls
about 5 feet up from the floor. May be overkill but they will be handy. He
put every 6 outlets on a separate circuit. Also, don't skimp on insullation
especially if you use propane. Hope this helps.
Lynn Knoll
Wichita, Piet/Corvair builder
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From: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
>
> I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
> was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
> the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
> I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
> installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
> specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
> what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
> should I consider?
>
> -Mike.
>
>
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12/10/2003 12:46:42 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org
If you live in a cold climate I would frame the walls with 2x6 instead of
2x4 this allowes more insulation and lower heating cost.
"Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>@matronics.com on 12/10/2003 12:29:14
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
Hi Mike,
A friend of mine is having a shop built so I'll pass on these bits of
information. He put in electrical outlets every 3 feet in all the walls
about 5 feet up from the floor. May be overkill but they will be handy. He
put every 6 outlets on a separate circuit. Also, don't skimp on insullation
especially if you use propane. Hope this helps.
Lynn Knoll
Wichita, Piet/Corvair builder
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From: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
>
> I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
> was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
> the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
> I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
> installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
> specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
> what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
> should I consider?
>
> -Mike.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
And a nice, small color tv and fridge really come in handy too. I don't
know how many ball games
and 10 pm news stories I watched while building and sipping.......
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten@Governair.com>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
> My dad uses PVC pipe do distribute air. No leaks *or*
> explosions in 12
> years. Works just great.
I hope it keeps working for your Dad. This PVC is for plumbing and venting, etc.
Non-pressure uses.
If you check the REC.WOODWORKING newsgroup you will find a lot of information and
opinions on using PVC to supply air. I think it's an un-necessary chance.
One explosion will send shards of PVC slivers all over. That's the thing about
PVC, you'll never know it's true condition until it blows. Please use steel
pipe.
Now if you intend to use it (PVC) in a dust collection system that's a bit different.
It won't explode but some say it builds up static electricity and can explode
the dust. I believe it can be easily grounded.
Kent
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Guys,
I have a few things on eBay if anyone's interested. If the link doesn't work just
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Thanks and Do Not Archive!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I'm not completely endorsing the use of PVC for 120psi lines, but I will say that
my family's cabinet/furniture shop that we had back in the mid 80's had about
2,500 ft of PVC air lines that went from the central compressor to all the
assembly stations.... about 50 in all.... it worked for 7 years before we finally
moved out of that building..... never failed.
I'm of the opinion that it'll work fine... but there's no argument that copper
would be better in the long run.
DJ
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New shop
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten@Governair.com>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
> My dad uses PVC pipe do distribute air. No leaks *or*
> explosions in 12
> years. Works just great.
I hope it keeps working for your Dad. This PVC is for plumbing and venting, etc.
Non-pressure uses.
If you check the REC.WOODWORKING newsgroup you will find a lot of information and
opinions on using PVC to supply air. I think it's an un-necessary chance.
One explosion will send shards of PVC slivers all over. That's the thing about
PVC, you'll never know it's true condition until it blows. Please use steel
pipe.
Now if you intend to use it (PVC) in a dust collection system that's a bit different.
It won't explode but some say it builds up static electricity and can explode
the dust. I believe it can be easily grounded.
Kent
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I don't know, the stuff's rated to 400psi. (This is the really
thick-walled stuff.) That's a safety factor of more than 3.5 for this
particular use. There's probably hundreds of feet of the stuff with
plenty of splices.
An explosion would be pretty "exciting", though. I bet brittleness might
be a problem in really cold climates. He lives in Florida, though.
Kent Hallsten wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten@Governair.com>
>
>
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>>
>>My dad uses PVC pipe do distribute air. No leaks *or*
>>explosions in 12
>>years. Works just great.
>
>
> I hope it keeps working for your Dad. This PVC is for plumbing and venting,
etc. Non-pressure uses.
>
> If you check the REC.WOODWORKING newsgroup you will find a lot of information
and opinions on using PVC to supply air. I think it's an un-necessary chance.
One explosion will send shards of PVC slivers all over. That's the thing about
PVC, you'll never know it's true condition until it blows. Please use steel
pipe.
>
> Now if you intend to use it (PVC) in a dust collection system that's a bit different.
It won't explode but some say it builds up static electricity and can
explode the dust. I believe it can be easily grounded.
>
> Kent
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten@Governair.com>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
> I don't know, the stuff's rated to 400psi. (This is the really
> thick-walled stuff.) That's a safety factor of more than 3.5 for this
> particular use. There's probably hundreds of feet of the stuff with
> plenty of splices.
>
>
I read about ABS pipe being approved for compressed air use. Its called ABS Duraplus.
It is flexible in that it will crush, whereas PVC would shatter. If you
do a Google search on "pvc pipe air pressure" it comes up with some information,
from OSHA and other groups. Those groups don't recommend it. A tiny nick
or scratch on PVC can compromise the pipe and kaboom. Also, compressed air
releases its energy quicker than water under pressure.
Well anyway, if your going to use it be careful.
Kent
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I am simply amazed at the quantity and quality of responses from this
list to a question like this. Glad I asked!
Mike B. wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
>
> I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
> was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
> the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
> I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
> installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
> specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
> what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
> should I consider?
>
> -Mike.
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
Mike,
I just thought of something, how about building a attached "dog house" with
lots and lots of insulation for the air compressor. I get so tired of
hearing that %%$$####@ thing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
>
>
> I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
> was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
> the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
>
> I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
> installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
> specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
> what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
> should I consider?
>
> -Mike.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "carl loar" <skycarl@buckeye-express.com>
Cliff,,, I got one too. Had the same concern. sounds legit though,,,,
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Survey
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Has anyone else recieved a request to fill out an
> attached survey regarding the use of epoxy in
> aircraft construction from a William R Liston of
> the V O Baker company? I don't want to open an
> attachment from an unknown source. It may be
> perfectly legit. He has provided phone numbers
> but that doesn't really mean anything.
>
> Clif
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Actually, water releases it's energy more quickly than air. The issue
is one of volume more so than pressure. Water isn't very compressible,
so there is less energy released as it reaches equilibrium than with
air, which gets compressed to a tiny fraction of its original volume and
expands considerably (much like an explosion) reaching equilibrium.
That's why you always test air tanks with water.
John
>Also, compressed air releases its energy quicker than water under
pressure.
>Well anyway, if your going to use it be careful.
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Just a thought to throw in, and hope I'm not repeating what someone else said on
this thread...
A new , big shop is nice, and I wish I could have had one, just didn't want to
scare off anyone thinking of starting and not starting cause their "space" isn't
up to specs.
You can start and do all your ribs on the kitchen table if you really need to!
I built my Piet in a 10x20 ft , below grade basement. Believe me, I didn't care
where I was, as long as I was working on that beauty!
Now it's flying ( well resting in the hanger, covered in snow)
Ain't life grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Two things - It's impossible to have too many electrical outlets (of
sufficient current carrying ability) and it's impossible to have too much
light. I have also found it useful to hang things from the ceiling joists
(my workshop is in my basement), such as a come-along to hoist the engine,
and also to hoist the fuselage while I built the gear under it.
Obviously, you will want to make sure that you can get your project out once
completed, and you might want to consider ventilation if you will be doing
covering or painting in the shop. I have running water in mine which has
been useful.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New shop
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike B." <piet@pointdx.com>
I'm building a new 30'x40'x13' shop (slab should be pured next week.) I
was wondering if there are things that I should consider while building
the structure (of my design. Yikes!)
I thought this would be a good opportunity to avoid any "I wish I had
installed a such-n-such" situations. What kind of airplane-building
specific things might I consider before I get started? Most importantly,
what kind of things that can't be done once the building is finished
should I consider?
-Mike.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I received it but haven't replied yet.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Survey
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Has anyone else recieved a request to fill out an
attached survey regarding the use of epoxy in
aircraft construction from a William R Liston of
the V O Baker company? I don't want to open an
attachment from an unknown source. It may be
perfectly legit. He has provided phone numbers
but that doesn't really mean anything.
Clif
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Amen to that. My beer refrigerator in the shop has saved me many a trip up
and down the stairs, plus it's a good place to stick all those stickers you
collect at OSH and SNF. Another thing I have that is useful is a phone in
the shop. Saves lots of trips upstairs.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D
Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New shop
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
And a nice, small color tv and fridge really come in handy too. I don't
know how many ball games
and 10 pm news stories I watched while building and sipping.......
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 12/10/03 4:02:40 PM Central Standard Time, dknoll@cox.net
writes:
<< Mike,
I just thought of something, how about building a attached "dog house" with
lots and lots of insulation for the air compressor. I get so tired of
hearing that %%$$####@ thing! >>
I'm building a new shop, in an old two car garage, and I am DEFINATELY going
to locate the air compressor out side. I also have three rows of flourescent
lights (the new 1" diameter kind that works in low temperatures) for the full
length, each row on a switch. Never enough light, or recepticles. Concrete
floor. Electric heat - no explosive fuels. Snap-On calender. Hummm....does
anyone know where I can get an airplane calender, with bikini babes ?
Chuck Gantzer
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Roger & Kathy Green <rgreen@libby.org>
Shop thoughts:
I put my air compressor in the bathroom, keeps the noise out of the shop.
I put a lighted pilot switch by the door - one for the compressor and one
for the water heater.
I put in a lot of receptacle, 5 per circuit, but put every other one on a
different circuit.
I have built two shop now. I always make the walk through door 3 feet 6
inches or 4 feet wide. You will take a lot of things through that door.
I have seen barn door tracks used for light duty over head trolley
system. Put one near each side of your shop, running the full length and a
another one attach to a light beam hanging between the first two. Put a
chain hoist on the travelling car and now you can pick up that new Delta
Unisaw (with 52 inch fence) from the back of your pickup and place anywhere
in the shop!
If crime is a problem in your area, place windows high, they will let light
in and keep prying eyes out.
Good luck - we want to see picture later!
Random ROG
Libby, Montana
First rib still in jig.
>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: New shop and a GREAT x-mas present for our military |
heros!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
This is the best thread I've seen in months.!
BUT , ya'll go to http://www.heromiles.org/ I just saw it on Fox News.
This is a nice way to donate frequent flyer miles to our troops to get some
home for a visit.
I just donated all mine for Delta and US Air is in as of tonight according
to the news - will donate them. too,
Best , Bert
(who just relocated his GN to a brand new hangar - hope to fly in 3 months)
See ya!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger & Kathy Green" <rgreen@libby.org>
Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: New shop
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Roger & Kathy Green
<rgreen@libby.org>
>
>
> Shop thoughts:
>
> I put my air compressor in the bathroom, keeps the noise out of the shop.
> I put a lighted pilot switch by the door - one for the compressor and one
> for the water heater.
> I put in a lot of receptacle, 5 per circuit, but put every other one on a
> different circuit.
> I have built two shop now. I always make the walk through door 3 feet 6
> inches or 4 feet wide. You will take a lot of things through that door.
> I have seen barn door tracks used for light duty over head trolley
> system. Put one near each side of your shop, running the full length and
a
> another one attach to a light beam hanging between the first two. Put a
> chain hoist on the travelling car and now you can pick up that new Delta
> Unisaw (with 52 inch fence) from the back of your pickup and place
anywhere
> in the shop!
>
> If crime is a problem in your area, place windows high, they will let
light
> in and keep prying eyes out.
>
> Good luck - we want to see picture later!
>
> Random ROG
> Libby, Montana
> First rib still in jig.
>
>
> >pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
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