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1. 05:18 AM - Aerolite glue (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Corvair College in Ohio? (Kip & Beth Gardner)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: Corvair College in Ohio? - PS! (Kip & Beth Gardner)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Corvair College in Ohio? (Ken & Lisa Rickards)
5. 10:15 AM - Re: Corvair College in Ohio? - PS! (Christian Bobka)
6. 10:21 AM - Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly on WEDS AM !! (Michael D Cuy)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Corvair College in Ohio? (Lynn & Doris Knoll)
8. 12:05 PM - Re: Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly on WEDS AM !! (Michael Conkling)
9. 12:18 PM - New Shop, Exhaust Fume Extraction (Michael Fisher)
10. 12:50 PM - Re: Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly (Michael D Cuy)
11. 01:07 PM - B-29 program (Christian Bobka)
12. 02:07 PM - good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here ! (Michael D Cuy)
13. 02:42 PM - Re: good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here ! (Jim Markle)
14. 04:53 PM - Re: good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here ! (Steve Eldredge)
15. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol as a School Project ()
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Aerolite
is an excellent glue (a hundred Falco builders can't be wrong, can
they?), but like any other glue it must be used strictly according to
directions.
Keep the catalyst and its fumes away from the powder-water mixture. It
is a good practice to keep the lid on the catalyst (and any brushes
soaked with it) until the time that you apply it to the mating surfaces.
1. Apply the glue (powder-water mixture) to the first surface.
2. Then, if you are doing a large surface, apply the catalyst to the
mating surface at a table several feet away.
3. Promptly bring the two surfaces together and clamp or fasten them.
4. Don't use Aerolite powder-water mixture after it has begun to thicken
over a period of several days (refrigeration will slow this process.)
Fumes from an open container or a part with catalyst already on it can
begin activating the glue prematurely. If this happens you can get poor
joints. Good ventilation is very important to keep this from happening
(and to protect your health.) The factories building wooden war planes
during the WWII had problems at first with reliable glue joints with
Aerolite. It was found that they were not adhering to these precautions.
Once that was taken care of they achieved good glue joints.
I have wooden wing ribs that were glued together in 1975 with Aerolite
and are still strong. The joints on these ribs are under quite a bit of
tension as I did not steam the curvature near the leading edge and
removed the staples after the glue had cured.
Aerolite joints will stay strong under heat that will cause an epoxy or
plastic resin joint to fail--heat that can be generated inside an
aircraft sitting on a hot tarmac under a summer sun.
All that said, I will still continue to use West System epoxy.
Dick Hartwig
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College in Ohio? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Group,
I have discussed with William Wynne the possibility of holding a Corvair
College here in NE Ohio, possibly in conjuction with the annual Taylorcraft
(early July) or Aeronca (early August) fly-ins that EAA Chapter 82 hosts
each summer in Alliance, Ohio. We have 3 or 4 guys locally who are planning
on using Corvairs in Pietenpols & I imagine there are a number of you
within a few hours' drive who might be interested as well.
He is interested in the idea, & I would like to a have some sense of how
many people might show up if he committed to coming.
Chapter 82 has just completed a beautiful renovation of 14' x 60' mobile
home as our new clubhouse and project workshop, which is located at Barber
Airport (2D1) in Alliance. Also, for what it's worth, I've just been
elected president of the chapter & so have some amount of influence in
getting the Chapter behind the idea of hosting a CC there.
How about some feedback from some of you guys in the 'middle' part of the
country?
Canton/Alliance is about a 1-1/2 hour drive west of Pittsburgh, which makes
it accessible to a large part of the eastern and midwestern parts of the
country. Of course, Alliance is the original home of Taylorcraft, with
Barber Airport being just a few minutes drive from the WWII-era factory
(it's a landmark for the downwind leg of the pattern for 27).
Merry Christmas everyone!
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College in Ohio? - PS! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Oh Yeah,
Would someone please forward this message to the CorviarCraft list & ask
anyone interested to respond directly to me?
Thanks!
Kip
At 8:48 AM -0500 12/16/03, Kip & Beth Gardner wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
><kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
>Group,
>
>I have discussed with William Wynne the possibility of holding a Corvair
>College here in NE Ohio, possibly in conjuction with the annual Taylorcraft
>(early July) or Aeronca (early August) fly-ins that EAA Chapter 82 hosts
>each summer in Alliance, Ohio. We have 3 or 4 guys locally who are planning
>on using Corvairs in Pietenpols & I imagine there are a number of you
>within a few hours' drive who might be interested as well.
>
>He is interested in the idea, & I would like to a have some sense of how
>many people might show up if he committed to coming.
>
>Chapter 82 has just completed a beautiful renovation of 14' x 60' mobile
>home as our new clubhouse and project workshop, which is located at Barber
>Airport (2D1) in Alliance. Also, for what it's worth, I've just been
>elected president of the chapter & so have some amount of influence in
>getting the Chapter behind the idea of hosting a CC there.
>
>How about some feedback from some of you guys in the 'middle' part of the
>country?
>
>Canton/Alliance is about a 1-1/2 hour drive west of Pittsburgh, which makes
>it accessible to a large part of the eastern and midwestern parts of the
>country. Of course, Alliance is the original home of Taylorcraft, with
>Barber Airport being just a few minutes drive from the WWII-era factory
>(it's a landmark for the downwind leg of the pattern for 27).
>
>Merry Christmas everyone!
>
>Kip Gardner
>
>North Canton, OH
>
>
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College in Ohio? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
If this should come to pass, count me in. I have just finished striping
down my engine and would be about ready to start putting it back together by
then. Let me know when the date is firm.
Ken
GN1 2992
Ontario Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College in Ohio?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Group,
>
> I have discussed with William Wynne the possibility of holding a Corvair
> College here in NE Ohio, possibly in conjuction with the annual
Taylorcraft
> (early July) or Aeronca (early August) fly-ins that EAA Chapter 82 hosts
> each summer in Alliance, Ohio. We have 3 or 4 guys locally who are
planning
> on using Corvairs in Pietenpols & I imagine there are a number of you
> within a few hours' drive who might be interested as well.
>
> He is interested in the idea, & I would like to a have some sense of how
> many people might show up if he committed to coming.
>
> Chapter 82 has just completed a beautiful renovation of 14' x 60' mobile
> home as our new clubhouse and project workshop, which is located at Barber
> Airport (2D1) in Alliance. Also, for what it's worth, I've just been
> elected president of the chapter & so have some amount of influence in
> getting the Chapter behind the idea of hosting a CC there.
>
> How about some feedback from some of you guys in the 'middle' part of the
> country?
>
> Canton/Alliance is about a 1-1/2 hour drive west of Pittsburgh, which
makes
> it accessible to a large part of the eastern and midwestern parts of the
> country. Of course, Alliance is the original home of Taylorcraft, with
> Barber Airport being just a few minutes drive from the WWII-era factory
> (it's a landmark for the downwind leg of the pattern for 27).
>
> Merry Christmas everyone!
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College in Ohio? - PS! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Kip,
I forwarded to the corvair list. Two replies in the positive already. I
have been sending to these guys off line to contact you directly.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College in Ohio? - PS!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Oh Yeah,
>
> Would someone please forward this message to the CorviarCraft list & ask
> anyone interested to respond directly to me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kip
>
> At 8:48 AM -0500 12/16/03, Kip & Beth Gardner wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
> ><kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Group,
> >
> >I have discussed with William Wynne the possibility of holding a Corvair
> >College here in NE Ohio, possibly in conjuction with the annual
Taylorcraft
> >(early July) or Aeronca (early August) fly-ins that EAA Chapter 82 hosts
> >each summer in Alliance, Ohio. We have 3 or 4 guys locally who are
planning
> >on using Corvairs in Pietenpols & I imagine there are a number of you
> >within a few hours' drive who might be interested as well.
> >
> >He is interested in the idea, & I would like to a have some sense of how
> >many people might show up if he committed to coming.
> >
> >Chapter 82 has just completed a beautiful renovation of 14' x 60' mobile
> >home as our new clubhouse and project workshop, which is located at
Barber
> >Airport (2D1) in Alliance. Also, for what it's worth, I've just been
> >elected president of the chapter & so have some amount of influence in
> >getting the Chapter behind the idea of hosting a CC there.
> >
> >How about some feedback from some of you guys in the 'middle' part of the
> >country?
> >
> >Canton/Alliance is about a 1-1/2 hour drive west of Pittsburgh, which
makes
> >it accessible to a large part of the eastern and midwestern parts of the
> >country. Of course, Alliance is the original home of Taylorcraft, with
> >Barber Airport being just a few minutes drive from the WWII-era factory
> >(it's a landmark for the downwind leg of the pattern for 27).
> >
> >Merry Christmas everyone!
> >
> >Kip Gardner
> >
> >North Canton, OH
> >
> >
>
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly on WEDS AM !! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
see this web site for more info: http://www.wrightexperience.com
Hey guys---they flew the flyer again (Hyde's group) a few days ago
something like 200 feet. (after the damage in late Nov. was
repaired) It looks like they have some nice 17 mph winds forecast for
Weds AM when they are going to attempt the recreation of the flight. I
guess C-Span is covering things starting at 9:30 am Eastern time. Then
something about at 8pm the Discovery Channel or Discovery Wings is going to
recap the day's activities Weds. eve.
When I went to Chicago to see them try to fly another exacting replica back
in Sept. you CANNOT believe how slow the props turn on these Flyers---I
mean it's only something like 12-14 horsepower and they turn at something
like 900 to 1100 rpm. It's really wild to watch and hear-- you keep
waiting for them to 'rev up' the engines to the kind of RPM's you and I are
used to. We've come one helluva long way in 100 years. I hear tell the
big problem was CG with that thing too---after the boys came back to Dayton
they moved the engine forward a foot or two and solved the AFT CG problem
! Must have been unstable as heck in it's original configuration. I
wish em' well tomorrow.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College in Ohio? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
Count me in.
I've been hoping for a CC less than a 3 day drive from Wichita.
Hope it materializes.
Lynn Knoll
Piet/Vair in the works
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College in Ohio?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Group,
>
> I have discussed with William Wynne the possibility of holding a Corvair
> College here in NE Ohio, possibly in conjuction with the annual
Taylorcraft
> (early July) or Aeronca (early August) fly-ins that EAA Chapter 82 hosts
> each summer in Alliance, Ohio. We have 3 or 4 guys locally who are
planning
> on using Corvairs in Pietenpols & I imagine there are a number of you
> within a few hours' drive who might be interested as well.
>
> He is interested in the idea, & I would like to a have some sense of how
> many people might show up if he committed to coming.
>
> Chapter 82 has just completed a beautiful renovation of 14' x 60' mobile
> home as our new clubhouse and project workshop, which is located at Barber
> Airport (2D1) in Alliance. Also, for what it's worth, I've just been
> elected president of the chapter & so have some amount of influence in
> getting the Chapter behind the idea of hosting a CC there.
>
> How about some feedback from some of you guys in the 'middle' part of the
> country?
>
> Canton/Alliance is about a 1-1/2 hour drive west of Pittsburgh, which
makes
> it accessible to a large part of the eastern and midwestern parts of the
> country. Of course, Alliance is the original home of Taylorcraft, with
> Barber Airport being just a few minutes drive from the WWII-era factory
> (it's a landmark for the downwind leg of the pattern for 27).
>
> Merry Christmas everyone!
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly on WEDS |
AM !!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
Hey Mike,
You mean that your buddies (at NASA) didn't get to strap a camera on the
Flyer for the launch pictures -- like the Mars shots -- must have been
concerned about the exhaust messing up the lens! ;-)
We'll try to get someone to fire up our TVs at the museum for the
"blow-by-blow" footage -- should be interesting, as the Wright Bros. didn't
have to worry about the schedule and all the spectators!!;-)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly on WEDS
AM !!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> see this web site for more info: http://www.wrightexperience.com
>
> Hey guys---they flew the flyer again (Hyde's group) a few days ago
> something like 200 feet. (after the damage in late Nov. was
> repaired) It looks like they have some nice 17 mph winds forecast for
> Weds AM when they are going to attempt the recreation of the flight. I
> guess C-Span is covering things starting at 9:30 am Eastern time. Then
> something about at 8pm the Discovery Channel or Discovery Wings is going
to
> recap the day's activities Weds. eve.
>
> When I went to Chicago to see them try to fly another exacting replica
back
> in Sept. you CANNOT believe how slow the props turn on these Flyers---I
> mean it's only something like 12-14 horsepower and they turn at something
> like 900 to 1100 rpm. It's really wild to watch and hear-- you keep
> waiting for them to 'rev up' the engines to the kind of RPM's you and I
are
> used to. We've come one helluva long way in 100 years. I hear tell
the
> big problem was CG with that thing too---after the boys came back to
Dayton
> they moved the engine forward a foot or two and solved the AFT CG problem
> ! Must have been unstable as heck in it's original configuration. I
> wish em' well tomorrow.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Shop, Exhaust Fume Extraction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
Run internal combustion engines in your shop? This is a popular, if somewhat risky,
practice. It is much safer when there is a proper method for fume extraction.
Go to respected shops in your area to see how they do it. Get a five
dollar, dark spot CO indicator and tack it on the wall to make sure the system
is working. Now is the time to tee into the chimney or cut holes in the wall.
Some shops are dark caves where the air gets better when someone lights a cigarette.
Try to avoid that.
Best holiday wishes, Mike Fisher
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| Subject: | Re: Tune in the Wright Replica attempt to fly |
on WEDS AM !!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
on WEDS AM !!
Mike in Pretty Prairie, I don't think they have any cameras on the flyer
but I wouldn't be surprised since they are carrying a flight data
recorder. They've already gotten data from it from the 3 flights that we
know of.......let alone the ones we haven't heard about. The wind is
looking lousy today for them but picking up tomorrow for the 10:35 am
attempt. They are supposed to fly again at about 2 pm if the first try
doesn't crack it up.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Nova is showing the B-29 in Greenland program tonite here in MSP at 8pm CST. It
might be everywhere.
chris
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| Subject: | good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
http://www.usuwrightflyer.org/
Checkout Utah Tour Photo Album #1 to see the great pics of Steve's Piet
during the same day they were flying the USU replica.......neat Steve !!!!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
WAY COOL!!!!!
This is TOO neat.....
Jim in Plano....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here !
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> http://www.usuwrightflyer.org/
>
> Checkout Utah Tour Photo Album #1 to see the great pics of Steve's Piet
> during the same day they were flying the USU replica.......neat Steve !!!!
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Thanks for the pointer Mike!
I didn't know about it....
That was a great day flying. I begged to swap rides that day, but just
got a good long time in the flyers 'cockpit' I did give the USU crew
rides and they loved it. The pilot of the flyer was my tailwheel
instructor who helped transition me from trikes in preparation for the
Piet. Most of the guys involved with the USU flyer project love the
piet and over the years followed my construction and flying. Great
folks having a great time sharing their passion for flying. You should
hear what a high-reving Harley going low and slow sounds like!
Steve E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: good pics of Steve E's Utah Piet here !
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
http://www.usuwrightflyer.org/
Checkout Utah Tour Photo Album #1 to see the great pics of Steve's Piet
during the same day they were flying the USU replica.......neat Steve
!!!!
Mike C.
=
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol as a School Project |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
I give Aerolite positive marks also. Especially for small parts like ribs.
My Piet ribs were built 7 years ago with no problems.
Paint the resin on the capstrips and hardener on the gussets. Put the gusset
in place and after
a couple of seconds you can feel the gusset beginning to set.
It holds perfectly while the nails are pounded in.
I tried T 88 on a couple of ribs and didn't like it. The T 88 acted like a
lubricant making the gussets hard to
keep in place while nailing.
All testing on Aerolite samples broke the wood, not the glue.
Also, I used birch plywood and didn't bother to scuff the surface. Did some
sample glue-ups
on both scuffed and un-scuffed ply. The wood broke on all samples, no
problem with
the glue joints.
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol as a School Project
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> Yes, Kent. I used Aerolite for my ribs and have had no problem. They
were
> built 10 years ago. I used mahoghany ply gussets.
>
> If you guys used birch ply, did you scuff sand the whole sheet of plywood
to
> break the glaze as recommended by Bingelis?
>
> chris
>
> in minneapolis, not sacremento
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten@Governair.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol as a School Project
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kent Hallsten"
> <KHallsten@Governair.com>
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Chris,yep,thats the way it`s done.Friend of mine built
> > > the sides for a Woodhopper that way,then hung them on
> > > his basement wall and went south for the winter.Came
> > > back in the spring and found all the pieces laying on
> > > the floor.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Dan,
> > You're talking about Aerolite?
> >
> > Kent
> > T-88 user
> >
> >
>
>
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