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1. 05:48 AM - Re: Piets in California?????? (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN)
2. 07:04 AM - Re: New member (Anthony)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Pietenpols near Columbus Oh (Gary L Bell)
4. 11:15 AM - new member/selecting the Pietenpol (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 12:53 PM - Matronics Internet Connection Repaired!! (Matt Dralle)
6. 01:26 PM - Hard Wire (catdesign@intergate.com)
7. 01:44 PM - Re: Help for new Pietenpol builders...... (catdesign@intergate.com)
8. 02:45 PM - Re: Piets in California?????? (catdesign@intergate.com)
9. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Help for new Pietenpol builders...... (Jim Markle)
10. 05:01 PM - Re: Piets in California?????? (Fred Weaver)
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in California?????? |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:48:05 -0800
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" <twinboom@msn.com>
Fred,
I have met a gentleman at an air show on one occasion who lives up in Lancaster area. His name is Scott Liefield. He is a member of the Lancaster EAA Chapetr. Here is hios email address, Pietman@QNET.COM<mailto:Pietman@QNET.COM> . Maybe he can help you out.
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
Yucaipa California
www.inlandsloperebels.com<http://www.inlandsloperebels.com/>
W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com<http://www.flycorvair.com/>
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver<mailto:mytyweav@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in California??????
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net<mailto:mytyweav@earthlink.net>>
First of all.... Merry Christmas all you Pieters..
Hey you guys.... My buddy Chris McKeague posted a request the other
day to the list about trying to find a "Flying" Pietenpol in California
that he could go get a ride in. Not one single response..... Isn't
there anyone flying a Piet in California? I hardly believe that. Chris
has an RV6 and can fly anywhere within reason to get a lift in a Piet
and he is not a fricken tire kicker. He is interested in buying the
one for sale in Iowa but has never had the opportunity to fly a Piet.
Perhaps everyone flying a Piet in this state isn't online???? I hardly
believe that. I know Steve Eldredge would give him a fine ride but who
wants to fly all the way to Utah in December/January to go for a ride??
How 'bout getting with the program and return a post with some
favorable info....
Happy New Year to all,
Weav
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Anthony" <akwusmc@comcast.net>
Sam,
I'm in Chattanooga, but closer to Collegedale (3M3) than Chattanooga (KCHA).
Anthony
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols near Columbus Oh |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary L Bell" <glbell@midohio.net>
Jake,
I'm up here in the fastest growing county in Ohio. I'm about 30 miles
north of you just off US 23 short north of Delaware, Ohio. I have all of the
airframe complete and am working on the engine at this time. As everyone
says 80% complete with 90% to go. I work on it on the weekends and have been
doing so for the past 4 years.
Gary Bell (EAA 599520)
Delaware, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Nichols" <cowboyjake@insight.rr.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols near Columbus Oh
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jake Nichols"
<cowboyjake@insight.rr.com>
>
> I was looking for Piets around Columbus Ohio that I might be able to
visit. I live on the east side in Reynoldsburg and plan on visiting the EAA
chapters in Lancaster and Newark in the next few months.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> James Nichols
>
>
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| Subject: | new member/selecting the Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Anthony wrote-
>My dad got me Air Camper plans for Christmas, as well as a few other
>homebuilding goodies (all 5 Flying & Glider Annuals!). I'm not sure
>what plane I'm going to build
I'm going to go out on a limb here, not having my own F&G Annuals here in
front of me. I daresay that of all the designs that you'll find in the
Annuals, there are none that have as many flying examples as the Pietenpol,
and none that have as much current builder support. Try to find a "Gere
Sport Builder's List" or a "Buhl Bullpup Support Group"! Try to find a
"Longster Fly-In" or... well, you get the idea.
But seriously (since I'm sure you weren't just referring to the designs
covered in the old Annuals), if you compare the Piet to other classic
designs like the Hatz, the Pixie, the Heath, or the Fly Baby, or even many
of the commercial classic replicas, you'll find that the Piet is an honest
and rugged design as well as being practical to build and very well
recognized in the homebuilt community. It has classic lines, realistic
utility, and meets the main criterion that you should have at the top of
both your building and flying checklists: it's FUN!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Matronics Internet Connection Repaired!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The phone company was out here bright and early this morning and repaired
the wires and the T1 connection is back up and rock solid!
Again my apologies for any inconvenience the disruption may have caused.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" <catdesign@intergate.com>
On the Air Camper plans, solid wire is used for the tail and internal wing
bracing. In the past, there has been some discussion as to the appropriate
wire to use so I figured I would pass along this information for anyone
thinking of using solid wire.
Source: The Aircraft Handbook, A collection of facts and suggestions
concerning the construction and care of planes, motors and instruments for
those interested in modern aircraft, Fred H. Colvin and Henry F. Colvin,
published in 1928.
Rigging the Airplane
The rigger must learn to distinguish between the different kinds of wire for
different purposes and between the grades which are good and those which are
unstable for use in various places.
It is important to know the quality of wire, which must not be too hard or too
soft. A practical test is as follows: Take three pieces of wire of the same
gage and about a foot long, selecting one which is too soft, and too hard and
the third of the right quality. Clamp in a vise near a window and polish the
wire so as to show light reflections more clearly. Bend the wire over sharply
and as far as possible. The soft wire will flatten out somewhat, as may be
told by noting that the band of light on the wire has broadened out at the
bend. The hard wire will probably show slight cracks or a roughness of the
surface-the beginning of cracks to be developed later. The right wire will
show a slightly broader band of light but will not show the slightest roughness
of the surface.
Wire Loops
Wire is often bent at the end in the form of a loop. These loops, even when
made perfectly, have a tendency to elongate, thus spoiling the adjustment of
the wires. Great care should be taken to minimize this as much as possible.
The rules to be observed are as follows:
1. The size of the loop should be as small as possible within reason. By
that we mean that it should not be so small as to create the possibility of the
wires breaking.
2. The shape of the loop must be symmetrical.
3. The loop should have good shoulders in order to prevent the ferrule
from slipping up. At the same time, the shoulders should have no angular
points.
4. When the loop is finished, it should be undamaged, and it should not
be, as is often the case, badly scored.
Tension of Wires
The tension to which you adjust the wires is of the greatest importance. All
the wires on the airplane should be of the same tension, otherwise the airplane
will quickly become distorted and fly badly. As a rule, the wires are
tensioned too much. The tension should be sufficient to keep the framework
rigid. Anything more then that spoils the factor of safety, throws various
parts of the framework into undue compression, pulls the fittings into the
wood, and will, in the end, distort the whole framework of the airplane.
Elsewhere in the book it says: See that no brace wires are slack, yet not so
taut that, when plucked, they sing.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
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| Subject: | Re: Help for new Pietenpol builders...... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Jim add this to your file:
The Pietenpol Air Camper was designed to use 1020 steel and 1020 steel brazes
just fine. However, if you chooses to substitute 4130 steel for the 1020
steel, most experts (not all) will tell you to weld it DO NOT Braze it. 4130
has a tendency to crack when brazed.
Chris T. sitting at work in an office that is as dead as a ghost town in the
middle of Nevada.
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in California?????? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Fred,
I am here in Sacramento and my 4 year search for a flying Pietenpol within 150
miles has not turned up any. I here rumor there is one in up near Chico
but have never figured out if it's true. There are two GN1's or Piets that were
seen at the Merced and Golden West air show a few years ago but I have never
seen them my self neither. I have been to ever air show and most fly-ins
between Redding and Stockton and I have never seen a Piet at any of these.
There may be some flying out here but I can't find them. This probably be the
reason why no one offered him a ride. I hear there are a few flying Piets in
So. Cal. There are a few Piet's, including mine, under construction around the
Sacramento/Bay area/foothills region but I am the only one on the list (that I
know of) who lives near Sac. He is welcome to stop by my garage anytime and
see my fuselage.
If your friend does finds one please let me know so I too can get in touch with
the owner.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
do not archive
ing Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> First of all.... Merry Christmas all you Pieters..
>
> Hey you guys.... My buddy Chris McKeague posted a request the other
> day to the list about trying to find a "Flying" Pietenpol in California
> that he could go get a ride in. Not one single response..... Isn't
> there anyone flying a Piet in California? I hardly believe that. Chris
> has an RV6 and can fly anywhere within reason to get a lift in a Piet
> and he is not a fricken tire kicker. He is interested in buying the
> one for sale in Iowa but has never had the opportunity to fly a Piet.
> Perhaps everyone flying a Piet in this state isn't online???? I hardly
> believe that. I know Steve Eldredge would give him a fine ride but who
> wants to fly all the way to Utah in December/January to go for a ride??
> How 'bout getting with the program and return a post with some
> favorable info....
> Happy New Year to all,
> Weav
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help for new Pietenpol builders...... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Added.....
Thanks!
jm
----- Original Message -----
From: <catdesign@intergate.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Help for new Pietenpol builders......
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
<catdesign@intergate.com>
>
> Jim add this to your file:
>
> The Pietenpol Air Camper was designed to use 1020 steel and 1020 steel
brazes
> just fine. However, if you chooses to substitute 4130 steel for the 1020
> steel, most experts (not all) will tell you to weld it DO NOT Braze it.
4130
> has a tendency to crack when brazed.
>
> Chris T. sitting at work in an office that is as dead as a ghost town in
the
> middle of Nevada.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in California?????? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Thanks Chris... There is one in the Live Oak area that is gorgeous. I will
find one.......just a matter of time. Chris would like to mail the guy in
Iowa a deposit but wants to fly in one first. There was a nice one down in
Calaveras but some guy bought it and stuck it into his own museum....
We will keep you posted.
Weav
Close by in Sutter Creek.
----- Original Message -----
From: <catdesign@intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in California??????
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "catdesign@intergate.com"
<catdesign@intergate.com>
>
> Fred,
>
> I am here in Sacramento and my 4 year search for a flying Pietenpol within
150
> miles has not turned up any. I here rumor there is one in up near Chico
> but have never figured out if it's true. There are two GN1's or Piets that
were
> seen at the Merced and Golden West air show a few years ago but I have
never
> seen them my self neither. I have been to ever air show and most fly-ins
> between Redding and Stockton and I have never seen a Piet at any of these.
> There may be some flying out here but I can't find them. This probably be
the
> reason why no one offered him a ride. I hear there are a few flying Piets
in
> So. Cal. There are a few Piet's, including mine, under construction
around the
> Sacramento/Bay area/foothills region but I am the only one on the list
(that I
> know of) who lives near Sac. He is welcome to stop by my garage anytime
and
> see my fuselage.
>
> If your friend does finds one please let me know so I too can get in touch
with
> the owner.
>
> Chris T.
> Sacramento, Ca
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ing Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Fred Weaver
<mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> >
> > First of all.... Merry Christmas all you Pieters..
> >
> > Hey you guys.... My buddy Chris McKeague posted a request the other
> > day to the list about trying to find a "Flying" Pietenpol in California
> > that he could go get a ride in. Not one single response..... Isn't
> > there anyone flying a Piet in California? I hardly believe that. Chris
> > has an RV6 and can fly anywhere within reason to get a lift in a Piet
> > and he is not a fricken tire kicker. He is interested in buying the
> > one for sale in Iowa but has never had the opportunity to fly a Piet.
> > Perhaps everyone flying a Piet in this state isn't online???? I hardly
> > believe that. I know Steve Eldredge would give him a fine ride but who
> > wants to fly all the way to Utah in December/January to go for a ride??
> > How 'bout getting with the program and return a post with some
> > favorable info....
> > Happy New Year to all,
> > Weav
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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