---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/05/04: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. PM - Re: ATV spindles (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 2. PM - Re: ATV spindles (Kolesar, Jeremy) 3. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length () 4. PM - Re: ATV spindles (del magsam) 5. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (Ellie & Jim Sheen) 7. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (John Dilatush) 8. PM - Corvair engines in AL (Robert Haines) 9. PM - Re: Corvair engines in AL (Jim Markle) 10. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (At7000ft@aol.com) 12. PM - ATV Wheels (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 13. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (Isablcorky@aol.com) 14. PM - Re: Don't need no stinkin shelf (w b evans) 15. PM - Re: Cabane Strut Length (Graham Hansen) 16. PM - Re: Don't need no stinkin shelf (dave rowe) 17. PM - Re: Corvair engines in AL (dave rowe) 18. PM - Re: ATV Wheels (Ellie & Jim Sheen) 19. 07:45 PM - Test, Please Ignore. (Matt Dralle) 20. 07:47 PM - Test, Please Ignore. (Matt Dralle) 21. 07:48 PM - Test, Please Ignore. (Matt Dralle) 22. 07:58 PM - Re: Piets in California?????? (javier cruz) 23. 07:58 PM - Re: GDOFGKZ, the last adventures (Berta) 24. 07:58 PM - Digest and List Browse Fixed! (Matt Dralle) 25. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Piets in California?????? (javier cruz) 26. 10:24 PM - could (Salvador Kendrick) 27. 11:04 PM - herdsman (Emmett Mcclain) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ - ETAsAhRrWUedrA2EP5OMdHy7KdxvWdQTJgIUBdg8upLV8ftJ5N9nTXL+sSlkTho= From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ATV spindles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) John: I'm using Heager axels and brakes that I got from AS&S. They come from the ATV background, but are still removed from what you are doing. I am using aluminum Douglass ATV wheels and balloon tires. You mentioned toe in. There was an article in Custom Planes a few months back that had an excellent article about wheel alignment. They say "NO TOE IN" I built my gear legs with a tiny amount of toe in, and now I am going to have to heat up the lower ends to bend the toe in out. Leon S. Hutchinson Ks. Mostly lurking for the past 6 mos. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ - From: "Kolesar, Jeremy" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ATV spindles Please remove my address from this list -----Original Message----- From: lshutks@webtv.net [mailto:lshutks@webtv.net] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ATV spindles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) John: I'm using Heager axels and brakes that I got from AS&S. They come from the ATV background, but are still removed from what you are doing. I am using aluminum Douglass ATV wheels and balloon tires. You mentioned toe in. There was an article in Custom Planes a few months back that had an excellent article about wheel alignment. They say "NO TOE IN" I built my gear legs with a tiny amount of toe in, and now I am going to have to heat up the lower ends to bend the toe in out. Leon S. Hutchinson Ks. Mostly lurking for the past 6 mos. RE: Pietenpol-List: ATV spindles Please remove my address from this list -----Original Message----- From: lshutks@webtv.net [mailto:lshutks@webtv.net] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ATV spindles -- Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) John: I'm using Heager axels and brakes that I got from ASS. They come from the ATV background, but are still removed from what you are doing. I am using aluminum Douglass ATV wheels and balloon tires. You mentioned toe in. There was an article in Custom Planes a few months back that had an excellent article about wheel alignment. They say NO TOE IN I built my gear legs with a tiny amount of toe in, and now I am going to have to heat up the lower ends to bend the toe in out. Leon S. Hutchinson Ks. Mostly lurking for the past 6 mos. http://www.matronics.com/chat http://www.matronics.com/subscription FAQ: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm ">http://www.matronics.com/search ">http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list ">http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list ">http://www.matronics.com/chat Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archives ">http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ">http://www.matronics.com/pietenpol-list ">http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dale and I made ours 2" longer than plans. Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/31/03 5:36:52 PM Central Standard Time, > wbeevans@verizon.net writes: > > << Jm, > Mine are to plans. Guess if I had to do it over again, would have made them > longer. Corky, yours are longer , aren't they. How does that work out? > Know lots of guys made them longer. Can all respond? > walt evans > NX140DL > I know, I myself couldn't get in there. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Markle > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: climbing in (the real story) > > > How do the cabane lengths compare the the plans? > I hope your's are shorter....this doesn't look good..... :-) > jm >> > > My cabane struts are 2" longer than plans. I have yet to install the slanted > struts, so I still have the 'X' cables on the right side of the front pit. > Ya just wanna take a ride bad enough, and you'll get in. At 6', 210 lbs, I can > get in, so I might not even go with the slanted struts. > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ - From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ATV spindles Leon what size douglass wheels did you go with? this is what is planned for my piet and I'm thinking of going with a taller wheel if it is strong enough. Del Leon Stefan wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) John: I'm using Heager axels and brakes that I got from AS&S. They come from the ATV background, but are still removed from what you are doing. I am using aluminum Douglass ATV wheels and balloon tires. You mentioned toe in. There was an article in Custom Planes a few months back that had an excellent article about wheel alignment. They say "NO TOE IN" I built my gear legs with a tiny amount of toe in, and now I am going to have to heat up the lower ends to bend the toe in out. Leon S. Hutchinson Ks. Mostly lurking for the past 6 mos. Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ - From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length Walt, Mine are 2 inches longer on 41CC and 2 1/2 inches longer on 311CC. Corky ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ - From: "Ellie & Jim Sheen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length Corky, Is 41CC your first or second Piet? Has the 1/2" difference been an inprovement? From your experience, which do you prefer? Pros and cons ? I am new to the list. Where are you located? Are there any other readers that are close to Gettysburg? Jim Sheen at Gettysburg, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length Walt, Mine are 2 inches longer on 41CC and 2 1/2 inches longer on 311CC. Corky ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ - From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length =============================== Mine are only 1" longer than the plans John > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/31/03 5:36:52 PM Central Standard Time, > wbeevans@verizon.net writes: > > << Jm, > Mine are to plans. Guess if I had to do it over again, would have made them > longer. Corky, yours are longer , aren't they. How does that work out? > Know lots of guys made them longer. Can all respond? > walt evans > NX140DL > I know, I myself couldn't get in there. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Markle > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: climbing in (the real story) > > > How do the cabane lengths compare the the plans? > I hope your's are shorter....this doesn't look good..... :-) > jm >> > > My cabane struts are 2" longer than plans. I have yet to install the slanted > struts, so I still have the 'X' cables on the right side of the front pit. > Ya just wanna take a ride bad enough, and you'll get in. At 6', 210 lbs, I can > get in, so I might not even go with the slanted struts. > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ - From: "Robert Haines" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engines in AL --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" There was a guy from Alabama that left a brief post a few weeks ago on the Yahoo Corvair group stating that he had engines. He wasn't an airplane guy, he just had a lot of junk. So after a few emails with him, I decided to drive down last weekend. I got four 110hp engines, all were complete, three were '65-'68, one was a '64. I got an extra crank, an extra set of heads, three 12 row fin oil coolers, an extra set of pushrod tubes, an extra set of valve covers, two side draft motorcycle carbs, and a gascolator for my Model-A. It was $400 for the engines, the rest he just loaded into my truck. At $400, I didn't have the heart to pay him any less. He still has five 110hp engines in the barn, one '65-'68 (suffix RH), and the rest are '64 (suffix YN if memory serves me, I was a little overwhelmed at the time). On the loft of the barn, he said there were additional heads up there, but I didn't go up to look (the floor was falling through). He also has an old van parked out back with six engines, two were partial (missing at least one head), and at least one was low HP. I couldn't check the others without emptying the van. He also had at least a dozen Corvairs on his property. My guess is there are a couple of the right cores in those. The nicest Car on the property, which is not to far off of being drivable, had a 110 badge on the trunk. This gentleman is just a good-old-boy who's partied a little hard in his life. His property was a mess. All the Corvair stuff was from his dad and he had no interest in it other than selling it. I think he had in the past twice the quantity of engines but has recently been tearing them down and selling the aluminum for scrap. What I'm saying here is if you are interested, you probably should act fast. A note about the barn. It's full of stuff. There are Corvair cylinders lying all over the place. There's a few cranks, distributors, pistons and rods, and other miscellaneous parts just lying around. This doesn't count the flathead Ford engines parts, old fenders, radios, and countless other non-Corvair parts that were interesting. The barn is falling apart with holes in the roof and only about half of it was dry. Don't expect to walk into a clean shop and have perfect engines sitting on engine stands; wear boots and get a Tetanus shot first. Just up the interstate from where he lives is a large utility trailer manufacturer/retailer. I had a hard time not buying a 16 footer and going back for more. By the way, four engines in the back is about all a Ford 150 can manage, I white knuckled it all the way home. He wanted to give me a couple of extra Corvair blocks in case one of my cranks were bad or wrong, I couldn't take them simply due to the weight in the truck already. His name was Eric Lippert in Cullman, AL. He's got no phone, but he does have satellite internet and his email is justeric1agn@yahoo.com. He's a nice guy, looks like he could use the money, and would like to see these engines being used as opposed to melted down. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ - From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engines in AL --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I have a Silverado if anyone wants to work together to look into what's left and maybe go load up my truck (and share expenses), let me know.... Jim in Plano..... And thanks Robert! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Haines Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engines in AL --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" There was a guy from Alabama that left a brief post a few weeks ago on the Yahoo Corvair group stating that he had engines. He wasn't an airplane guy, he just had a lot of junk. So after a few emails with him, I decided to drive down last weekend. I got four 110hp engines, all were complete, three were '65-'68, one was a '64. I got an extra crank, an extra set of heads, three 12 row fin oil coolers, an extra set of pushrod tubes, an extra set of valve covers, two side draft motorcycle carbs, and a gascolator for my Model-A. It was $400 for the engines, the rest he just loaded into my truck. At $400, I didn't have the heart to pay him any less. He still has five 110hp engines in the barn, one '65-'68 (suffix RH), and the rest are '64 (suffix YN if memory serves me, I was a little overwhelmed at the time). On the loft of the barn, he said there were additional heads up there, but I didn't go up to look (the floor was falling through). He also has an old van parked out back with six engines, two were partial (missing at least one head), and at least one was low HP. I couldn't check the others without emptying the van. He also had at least a dozen Corvairs on his property. My guess is there are a couple of the right cores in those. The nicest Car on the property, which is not to far off of being drivable, had a 110 badge on the trunk. This gentleman is just a good-old-boy who's partied a little hard in his life. His property was a mess. All the Corvair stuff was from his dad and he had no interest in it other than selling it. I think he had in the past twice the quantity of engines but has recently been tearing them down and selling the aluminum for scrap. What I'm saying here is if you are interested, you probably should act fast. A note about the barn. It's full of stuff. There are Corvair cylinders lying all over the place. There's a few cranks, distributors, pistons and rods, and other miscellaneous parts just lying around. This doesn't count the flathead Ford engines parts, old fenders, radios, and countless other non-Corvair parts that were interesting. The barn is falling apart with holes in the roof and only about half of it was dry. Don't expect to walk into a clean shop and have perfect engines sitting on engine stands; wear boots and get a Tetanus shot first. Just up the interstate from where he lives is a large utility trailer manufacturer/retailer. I had a hard time not buying a 16 footer and going back for more. By the way, four engines in the back is about all a Ford 150 can manage, I white knuckled it all the way home. He wanted to give me a couple of extra Corvair blocks in case one of my cranks were bad or wrong, I couldn't take them simply due to the weight in the truck already. His name was Eric Lippert in Cullman, AL. He's got no phone, but he does have satellite internet and his email is justeric1agn@yahoo.com. He's a nice guy, looks like he could use the money, and would like to see these engines being used as opposed to melted down. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ - From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length Jim, 41CC is my flying Piet and 311CC is under construction with a few mods I felt would make flying a Piet a bit more comfortable and inviting. Am located in Louisiana. Had a great-grandfather visit Gettysburg for 3 days in July back in '63. Corky in La ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ - From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length Corky Care to share the modifications you are adding to your second Piet? After reading Pietenpol articles and this archive for 6 months you start to see some kind of patterns emerge in the modifications people make or wish they made after flying for a while. I assume legal liability prevents anyone from putting the plans into AutoCad, then creating a couple modified plan sets with the most common mods and additions including: - increase center strut length - increase fuse front length - increase turtle deck height - jury struts - seat and shoulder belt installation - fuselage fuel tank - bolt/nut sizes - etc Also with AutoCad, once everything is in you can rotate the entire fuselage (or anything else) in 3D and print out perspective views at any angle. That feature alone would save builders weeks to months of agrivation and wasted wood and metal. The completed plans would need to be given to Don of course. Since this idea has been discussed before I assume legal issues prevent it from happening, but that's OK, we don't want to deprive future piet builders the "design on the fly" experience and the hours on this newsgroup trying to figure out where a bracket goes. Rick Holland Working on mock cockpit and ribs 41CC is my flying Piet and 311CC is under construction with a few mods I felt would make flying a Piet a bit more comfortable and inviting. Am located in Louisiana. Had a great-grandfather visit Gettysburg for 3 days in July back in '63. Corky in La ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ - ETAtAhUAnFwf5/Y2QhUjsnK9n9ZaEiKjp+kCFBTmeyk8GeW+E/QD8uN+tFXNuvEq From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: ATV Wheels --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Hi Dell: I am using 8" tall wheels, 6" wide. 12x21x8 tires for the look of the old Goodyear Airwheels from the 30's. I would have liked to had smaller wheels, (J-3's had little bitty sized wheels) but as I recall 8" was the smallest wheel Douglass makes. I'm sure taller wheels would be plenty strong after watching those ATV's go air borne, then slam down as hard as they do. My entire landing gear with brakes and tires weighs 48 lbs. Someone on the list once reported that his spoke wheels weigh 18 lbs each without brakes and tires. I'm happy with the results, especially since I am using the Model A. Leon S. Nickerson Ks. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ - From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:06:47 PM Central Standard Time, At7000ft@aol.com writes: > > Sent from the Internet > > > > Corky > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ - From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't need no stinkin shelf Rick, My two cents is to build the front like the plans. Maybe thats a very important part of the structure/strength of the nose. It would be like leaving one or both of the seat backs out of the structure and adding sling seats. You'd be removing strength from the "box" structure. Assuming you are not putting in a nose tank, why don't you put something like a fwd luggage space. Kind of like Mike Cuy, who put in storage in the center section. Believe me, it's one of those things that you think about when you're at gross weight and doing a steep turn over a friends house and pulling some "G's", and it crosses your mind,,,,"Gee, I hope that nose is strong enough". : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: At7000ft@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Don't need no stinkin shelf I am building a long fuselage Piet with a corvair engine and therefore don't believe I need the shelf in the upper front of the fuselage. I plan on using a full height firewall extending above the top longerons like Mike Cuy's in his video. Question is how to finish off the upper front of the fuselage. I am assuming I can just add triangular gussets to the inside top corners (like those shown on the plans at the bottom corners) and a horizontal cross brace (maybe 1" x 3/4") between the 2 (#1) front vertical struts just under the top inside motor mount brackets. Anyone see any problems with this? Thanks Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ - From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" Walt and group, Back in the 1960's when I made my cabane (we call them "center section") struts, I didn't know any better and made them according to the plans. Access to the front pit is a bit tricky, but I had welded a step onto the rear tube of the right landing gear leg from the beginning, thus making the process much easier. In- deed, without it, I can't imagine how anyone could manage on their own. There is a technique that one develops early and, if followed, it too will assist getting aboard. Once "in the (front) saddle", the height of the wing above you is of no consequence. And I suspect that a side fuse- lage door would create an enormous improvement regard- ing entry and egress, regardless of strut length. I built a steel tubing fuselage with a door about 10 to 12 inches deep, and sold the project. The buyer finished it, flew it, and car- ried lots of different-sized passengers. He said nobody had trouble getting in or out, even though the struts were the standard length. Of course, he had the step on the land- ing gear leg as well as the door. If I were building another Pietenpol, I would be inclined to use standard length struts and incorporate a door--even with the wooden fuselage, which is a bit more difficult to accomplish than with the steel tubing truss. But most, it seems, choose to lengthen the struts by a couple of inches and, in the final analysis, this is easier than installing a door. Raising the wing will also raise the center of drag, but that doesn't seem to be a problem with the Pietenpol design which tolerates such changes rather well. Something to think about: If you make your Pietenpol easy for very large (and heavy) people to get into that front pit, you may be seriously over- loading a rather small airplane. As the design stands, it has a built-in loading limitation. Extra pounds result in a signifi- cant reduction in performance and operational safety. Most two place lightplanes with similar power are physically larger, having more wing span and area (eg. Cub, Aeronca and Taylorcraft), and they can carry a heavier load. Consider- ing its relatively small size and design antiquity, the old Pieten- pol does very well--but it needs to be flown carefully with heavy loads. Cheers, Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN, fun flying since 1970) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ - From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't need no stinkin shelf --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe sounds exactly what I'm doing, had a designer pal look at it, he sees no problem whatsoever, I'm set up for a Subaru. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ - From: dave rowe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engines in AL --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe All I can say is wow!! Sucks to be up here in Canada!! Robert Haines wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > There was a guy from Alabama that left a brief post a few weeks ago on the > Yahoo Corvair group stating that he had engines. He wasn't an airplane guy, > he just had a lot of junk. So after a few emails with him, I decided to > drive down last weekend. I got four 110hp engines, all were complete, three > were '65-'68, one was a '64. I got an extra crank, an extra set of heads, > three 12 row fin oil coolers, an extra set of pushrod tubes, an extra set of > valve covers, two side draft motorcycle carbs, and a gascolator for my > Model-A. It was $400 for the engines, the rest he just loaded into my > truck. At $400, I didn't have the heart to pay him any less. > > He still has five 110hp engines in the barn, one '65-'68 (suffix RH), and > the rest are '64 (suffix YN if memory serves me, I was a little overwhelmed > at the time). On the loft of the barn, he said there were additional heads > up there, but I didn't go up to look (the floor was falling through). He > also has an old van parked out back with six engines, two were partial > (missing at least one head), and at least one was low HP. I couldn't check > the others without emptying the van. He also had at least a dozen Corvairs > on his property. My guess is there are a couple of the right cores in > those. The nicest Car on the property, which is not to far off of being > drivable, had a 110 badge on the trunk. > > This gentleman is just a good-old-boy who's partied a little hard in his > life. His property was a mess. All the Corvair stuff was from his dad and > he had no interest in it other than selling it. I think he had in the past > twice the quantity of engines but has recently been tearing them down and > selling the aluminum for scrap. What I'm saying here is if you are > interested, you probably should act fast. > > A note about the barn. It's full of stuff. There are Corvair cylinders > lying all over the place. There's a few cranks, distributors, pistons and > rods, and other miscellaneous parts just lying around. This doesn't count > the flathead Ford engines parts, old fenders, radios, and countless other > non-Corvair parts that were interesting. The barn is falling apart with > holes in the roof and only about half of it was dry. Don't expect to walk > into a clean shop and have perfect engines sitting on engine stands; wear > boots and get a Tetanus shot first. > > Just up the interstate from where he lives is a large utility trailer > manufacturer/retailer. I had a hard time not buying a 16 footer and going > back for more. By the way, four engines in the back is about all a Ford 150 > can manage, I white knuckled it all the way home. He wanted to give me a > couple of extra Corvair blocks in case one of my cranks were bad or wrong, I > couldn't take them simply due to the weight in the truck already. > > His name was Eric Lippert in Cullman, AL. He's got no phone, but he does > have satellite internet and his email is justeric1agn@yahoo.com. He's a > nice guy, looks like he could use the money, and would like to see these > engines being used as opposed to melted down. > > Robert Haines > Du Quoin, Illinois > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ - From: "Ellie & Jim Sheen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ATV Wheels --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ellie & Jim Sheen" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ATV Wheels > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > Hi Dell: I am using 8" tall wheels, 6" wide. 12x21x8 tires for the look > of the old Goodyear Airwheels from the 30's. I would have liked to had > smaller wheels, (J-3's had little bitty sized wheels) but as I recall > 8" was the smallest wheel Douglass makes. I'm sure taller wheels would > be plenty strong after watching those ATV's go air borne, then slam down > as hard as they do. My entire landing gear with brakes and tires weighs > 48 lbs. Someone on the list once reported that his spoke wheels weigh > 18 lbs each without brakes and tires. I'm happy with the results, > especially since I am using the Model A. Leon S. Nickerson Ks. > > > > > Hi Leon. I just weighed my 19" aluminum rimmed wheel with SS spokes, and 7.25" steel tube hub (which includes 1.25" extension for a brake disc - but not the disc), tire, and tube and it weighs 18 pounds. This design is what Mike Cuy and others have used. It looks beautiful, strong, and is not too heavy. I am just starting to fabricate the "original Jenny style" straight axle gear. Good luck and have fun, Jim Sheen ======================================================================== > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:28 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Test, Please Ignore. This is a test. Please ignore. Matt Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:17 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Test, Please Ignore. This is a test. Please ignore. Matt #2 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:43 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Test, Please Ignore. This is a test. Please ignore. Matt #3 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:13 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Re: Piets in California?????? Hi Piets I am back at home and work after a very good vacations on Ca, i want to thanks to Jim for show me his project (very kind gentleman), i have the chance for visit the Hiller Aviation Museum, and they have a Piet and other old planes, great place...let me try to atach a picture of the Piet.. PICT0126 Javier Cruz --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:27 PM PST US From: "Berta" Subject: Re: GDOFGKZ, the last adventures animal classic arm berg bowdoin cassandra fellow ana hendrick opulent jeep f's followeth ad depositary dressy choral antiquary find egg flautist handicapper inflammatory bard juliet clint marcy snuffle ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:43 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Digest and List Browse Fixed! Dear Tailwind and Pietenpol Listers, I've finally located a bug in the recent modification to List processing code that enabled the passing of enclosures. It was causing some problems with the List Browse feature as well as the Digest mode. Things should be working correctly now. Sorry I didn't test that better! Best regards, Matt Dralle List Admin Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:52 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in California?????? Hi Friends This is the Piet on Hiller Aviation Museum, looks good.. By the way, i want to thanks to Jim for show me his project, so the good time talking about Piets Very kind people JavierCruz do not archive __________________________________ http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:07 PM PST US (envelope-sender ) Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:09:15 -0400 From: "Salvador Kendrick" tailwind-list@matronics.com, owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com, owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com, owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com, owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com Subject: could seagull kilo habitation henpeck plus basic bail eighty andover explain gloom buckshot frigate exegete glassine bobbie lamentation rhetorician antagonistic goad ammerman ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:24 PM PST US Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:13:46 +0300 From: "Emmett Mcclain" owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com, owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com, owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com, owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com, owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com Subject: herdsman diebold break rosenzweig finale foss contemporary autocollimate cannon anionic inquisitive runaway polloi saxony creek et inexplicable incompletion orleans galactose