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1. 02:55 AM - Re: Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings (Jack Phillips)
2. 08:31 AM - Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings (John Dilatush)
3. 10:22 AM - Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings (At7000ft@aol.com)
4. 10:38 AM - Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings (Ken Chambers)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Airfoil stuff (At7000ft@aol.com)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Airfoil stuff (At7000ft@aol.com)
7. 11:05 AM - a view from the pilot's seat in a Pietenpol w/ a passenger (Michael D Cuy)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings (At7000ft@aol.com)
9. 11:07 AM - Brodhead from the air---from a Piet (Michael D Cuy)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Spam Alert: Re: Re: Airfoil stuff (Boss)
11. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Airfoil stuff (Textor, Jack)
12. 11:46 AM - Re: Brodhead from the air---from a Piet (Fred Weaver)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: Brodhead from the air---from a Piet (Jim Markle)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Airfoil stuff (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: a view from the pilot's seat in a Pietenpol w/ a passenger (Isablcorky@aol.com)
16. 01:23 PM - Great Photos (John Dilatush)
17. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings (At7000ft@aol.com)
18. 01:37 PM - what medical ? (Michael D Cuy)
19. 01:42 PM - Re: Great Photos (Michael D Cuy)
20. 02:28 PM - Re: Great Photos (w b evans)
21. 02:57 PM - Texas Pietenpols? (KRSBtv@aol.com)
22. 03:28 PM - Re: Texas Pietenpols? (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
23. 03:52 PM - Re: Texas Pietenpols? (KRSBtv@aol.com)
24. 04:43 PM - Re: what medical ? (Christian Bobka)
25. 05:09 PM - Re: Great Photos (Dave and Connie)
26. 06:13 PM - Re: what medical ? (Fred Weaver)
27. 06:24 PM - Re: Texas Pietenpols? (Doyle K. Combs)
28. 06:28 PM - great photos (Richard Navratil)
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Subject: | Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings |
Good Post, Chris. I agree completely. Besides, most people make
someomodifications to the design and this would make CAD plans much less
useful.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Catdesign
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings
To All,
I took the time to draw all the Piet fittings in CAD but have found them to
be just slightly different then what I need for my plane so I don't use
them. I have not shared them out (and will not so don't ask) because I feel
it might lead someone to believe you can make all the metal fittings ahead
of time. Don't do this! Make your fittings fit your assembly. Thankfully,
I found this out right before I ordered my fittings from Replicraft, who
went under not a week later. I would have also lost money to him if I
didn't get the parts and even if I did I would still have lost money because
I bet they would not have fit my plane. That is when I decided to learn how
to build my own metal fittings. It's not that hard but can be frustrating
at times. Fortunately, there is enough to build so I could work on
something else until I was ready tackle that problem piece again.
MY OPINION BELOW DON"T READ IF YOU DON"T WANT TO HEAR IT: you have been
warned.
Van's Aircraft is able to produce pre-punched RV kits that fits together so
precise that it's amazing. They can do this because every piece is cut and
drilled by computer controlled machines that are capable of using the
accuracy CAD affords a manufacturer. This type of accuracy is just not
possible in our (my) garage. Even if all the plans were drawn in CAD I
doubt your (my) building accuracy is THAT accurate. Honestly, your
construction does not need to be accurate to the .01 inch. I have built
model airplanes from comercially produced CAD drawing and they still have
errors. Drawing in CAD does not make plans any better or worse. You still
need to mesure where the part is going to fit and make the part fit the
assembly. Try to keep the dimentions as close as possible to the plans but
ALLWAYS make the part to fit the assembly. It's just thet simple. I feel
there is no need to take the time to redraw the plans in CAD. The most
helpfull things are pictures of assemblies and parts. These can be had by
simply asking anyone on this list. I will freely shair pictures I have
collected to all that needs them and I know others will too.
To all you first time builders, of which I an one too, take the time to
study the plans. All the information is on them even if it doesn't look
like it at first glance. It is also helpfull to hafe the Flying and Glider
Mag the EAA sells. Make you parts fit not to the dimentions on the plans
but to YOUR plane. After awhile you will get comfertable with the plans and
think they are adiquite. Tones of Piet's have been built from them so they
can't be that bad.
Just my 2 cents sorry for the length
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
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Subject: | Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings
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Corky and Chuck,
When I made the first landing in my Piet, it was a disaster!
Like you Corky, I expected to be able to come over the fence at about 60 or
so, just ease back on the stick and let it down easy. Instead the damn'd
plane fell out from under me and I lost it. The crash landing could
probably be heard for miles, directional control was non-existent and I was
just a passenger in the beast! When the dust settled I found that the jenny
type gear had stood up well, the engine had not fallen off and there was no
damage at all. Bless Mr. Pietenpol for designing one stout airplane!
Then, I started to evaluate the situation and after some practice found that
a little more airspeed with even a little power could produce excellent
landings. But here is the big advantage of the airfoil and the design.
The drag means that it doesn't need flaps to make a steep approach,
visibility is excellent and besides, you need the extra airspeed anyway.
And then this surplus energy can be translated into a little float if you
want it. When you round the plane out the a three point attitude, it will
stop quickly on the ground. If you are trying to get into a short field,
then use the steep approach with a little less airspeed, time it right,
bring the nose up and don't expect any float but keep coming right back on
the stick and let it plop on. A short field landing like this can be done
in just a couple of hundred feet over obstructions like you wouldn't
believe.
In short, once you figure out how to use these flight characteristics, it
is an excellent short field plane. I guess this is why a Pietenpol was once
described as a "Pasture Pilots Plane".
Corky, I'm with Chuck, learn to use the advantages of the design and one can
put it down almost anywhere without problem. Your landings will astound and
amaze all those airport bums standing around who are grading all the touch
and goes!
John
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/7/04 10:37:18 AM Central Standard Time,
> Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
>
> << I have flown many types of planes, SEL,
> but have never flown one that has no float, high drag, and a sudden drop
out
> on landing like a Piet. I know it's safe if you expect it but I sure
would
> like
> to float like a Cub, Champ or even a Beaver. >>
>
> I suggest keep it the same airfoil for several reasons:
> 1. It's part of avaition history.
> 2. It works.
> 3. It allows you to use drag to advantage, especially in emergency
landing,
> to do a precise short field landing.
>
> Several times this fall, I would stay in the pattern for an hour, 500' AGL
on
> short final and just do steep slip down to maybe 50 to 80', maintain 60
mph
> indicated, low power setting, straighten 'er right up, spot a short field
> landing. Every landing is different, but it's a blast to explore the
capabilities
> of sweet flying plane !!
>
> Chuck G.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings |
Doesn't even have to be anything as drastic as changing airfoils although
anything could be an option. I would just like to see an AutoCad plan set of the
original design (long fuselage, I would assume that the Model A builders would
want to use the original paper plans?) with what most builders would agree
are "necessay" additions, seat/shoulder belts, tail wheel with steering
attachments, the front angled cabane strut from the engine mount bracket, nut/bolt
sizes, etc. Plus modifications most builders do and Bernie himself suggested in
later years, extended fuselage, longer center cabanes, etc. Plus multiple 3D
perspective views of everything which only take seconds to create with AutoCad
once the dimensions of everything are entered. (I would love to have a
perspective view of the 3 piece wing center section plans).
More drastic (and controversial) changes such as airfoil, control surface
changes, etc. could be presented as options on separate plansets.
With the decrease in plan building in general, and the low completion
percentage something like this can only help. And you couldn't pick a better, simpler
and more reasonably priced homebuild design to provide a good modernized set
of plans for than the Piet.
Rick Holland
I agree the Piet plans should be available as CAD files, and I think a Piet
airfoil initiative similar to the one undertaken by the KR group might be a
good idea too. I know, I know -- it=E2=80=99s blasphemous to suggest changing
Bernard=E2=80=99
s =E2=80=9CFC-10=E2=80=9D airfoil. And it=E2=80=99s a thing of beauty, no doubt.
But this plane would
be safer if it could hang in the air longer without power. A lower drag
airfoil would help and we might get a little better cruise, too.
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Subject: | Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings |
Chuck
I understand those who like the airplane just as it flies. I think
everyone should get the chance to fly an original Pietenpol with the
original airfoil. It's a unique piece of history, and it's a blessing
that we can build it and fly it just the way it was designed way back
when. It should always be that way.
Meanwhile, why shouldn't we develop another airfoil option for those who
want a little less drag and maybe a lower stall speed? One member of
this list (I forget who) summed up the NTSB Pietenpol crash stats by
saying we could avoid about half of all accidents by "keeping it full of
gas and keeping the airspeed up". A lower drag airfoil would help make
the Pietenpol safer in both those circumstances (engine out and stalls)
plus many of the other situations that led to crashes.
There's a great airfoil forum I ran across on the Web a few months ago.
I'll see if I can find it and have them look over Kevin's "FC-10"
numbers at www.airminded.net <http://www.airminded.net/> . Maybe we'll
get some recommendations for airfoils with similar characteristics but
lower drag.
If anyone else who knows more about this than I do (and that should be
just about everyone on the list) wants to start looking at numbers and
talking to the gurus, I think it would be a great way to get started.
Ken in Austin, thinking about holding off on the ribs a while longer
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Subject: | Re: Airfoil stuff |
I agree, I can almost feel a purist vs. GN-1 type war starting. Didn't people
build GN-1s with J-3 wings? Would be interesting to know how those flew. I am
building a long fuse piet and have not yet flown one but I have heard the
same thing from several Piet bulder/flyers as Corky mentions, that the Piet has
no float (although it sounds like most people love the way it flys otherwise).
This may be a real dumb idea but has anyone ever built a Piet wing to the
plans and just removed the undercamber (make a flat bottom out of it)?
Rick Holland
Please keep this discussion on airfoil going. I feel the Piet's performance
could be improved, especially landing. I have flown many types of planes, SEL,
but have never flown one that has no float, high drag, and a sudden drop out
on landing like a Piet. I know it's safe if you expect it but I sure would like
to float like a Cub, Champ or even a Beaver.
I have my ribs completed for 311CC but would be willing to build another set
with another proven airfoil if I knew what to try. I mean no disrespect to BHP
or the purists. If we didn't want to improve it we would all be building and
flying Wright Flyers and/or Curtiss Pushers.
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Subject: | Re: Airfoil stuff |
Concerning Piet airfoil changes, if you plot the points from the 1934 wing
plans on top of the single sheet rib plans that you get from Don (which Bernie
himself signed, so I assume it is a tracing of one of his later rib creations),
you will find that the undercamber is 6/32" LESS at the center and
proportionally decreases to the front and back spar. Maybe Bernie himself detemined
in
later years that you need that much undercamber. (Or I don't know how to
measure off of plans ).
Rick Holland
You know....... A great candidate would be the 23012 used on the
Taylorcraft.... Good lift, great cruise speed/low drag, and good float on landing...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings
Ken,
Please keep this discussion on airfoil going. I feel the Piet's performance
could be improved, especially landing. I have flown many types of planes, SEL,
but have never flown one that has no float, high drag, and a sudden drop out
on landing like a Piet. I know it's safe if you expect it but I sure would like
to float like a Cub, Champ or even a Beaver.
I have my ribs completed for 311CC but would be willing to build another set
with another proven airfoil if I knew what to try. I mean no disrespect to BHP
or the purists. If we didn't want to improve it we would all be building and
flying Wright Flyers and/or Curtiss Pushers.
Corky in 23 above La weather
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Subject: | a view from the pilot's seat in a Pietenpol w/ a passenger |
Walt-- great pic. You got the teaching technique down, brother ! Here
is one for those of us caught in the cold nawth......and even those who can
still fly in the south like Jim Sury and Corky.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings |
Sounds kind of like flying flat bottom wing with 10-20 degrees of flaps all
the time.
3. It allows you to use drag to advantage, especially in emergency landing,
to do a precise short field landing.
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Subject: | Brodhead from the air---from a Piet |
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Subject: | Re: Airfoil stuff |
----- Original Message -----
From: At7000ft@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Spam Alert: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airfoil stuff
Concerning Piet airfoil changes, if you plot the points from the 1934 wing plans
on top of the single sheet rib plans that you get from Don (which Bernie himself
signed, so I assume it is a tracing of one of his later rib creations),
you will find that the undercamber is 6/32" LESS at the center and proportionally
decreases to the front and back spar. Maybe Bernie himself detemined in later
years that you need that much undercamber. (Or I don't know how to measure
off of plans ).
Rick Holland
You know....... A great candidate would be the 23012 used on the Taylorcraft....
Good lift, great cruise speed/low drag, and good float on landing...
And a nasty stall
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings
Ken,
Please keep this discussion on airfoil going. I feel the Piet's performance
could be improved, especially landing. I have flown many types of planes, SEL,
but have never flown one that has no float, high drag, and a sudden drop out
on landing like a Piet. I know it's safe if you expect it but I sure would
like to float like a Cub, Champ or even a Beaver.
I have my ribs completed for 311CC but would be willing to build another
set with another proven airfoil if I knew what to try. I mean no disrespect to
BHP or the purists. If we didn't want to improve it we would all be building
and flying Wright Flyers and/or Curtiss Pushers.
Corky in 23 above La weather
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Subject: | Re: Airfoil stuff |
This is all interesting and helpful to learn about the flight
characteristics of the Piet. And I must say a little disconcerting. I
just received my 100 cap strips and hope I have the correct airfoil.
With the help of Doc and others I believe I do. With the landing
characteristics mentioned, even with my tail time I will be sure to have
an experienced Piet pilot test fly and instruct me.
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
At7000ft@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airfoil stuff
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead from the air---from a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Gorgeous..... Just great stuff....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead from the air---from a Piet
>
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead from the air---from a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Well, so much for me getting any work done the rest of the day......
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead from the air---from a Piet
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Subject: | Re: Airfoil stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
There was a Piet in Clifton TX years ago with T-craft wings and a 70 hp Lambert
or LeBlond engine. I heard it is in a museum now in south TX somewhere. It
is black painted with skull and crossbones and mock german markings. I think
it even had mock machine guns on it. I never talked to anyone who flew it tho.
Has anyone heard of this airplane?
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: a view from the pilot's seat in a Pietenpol w/ a passenger |
Mike,
Who said I can fly. I'm still waiting for the Sport Pilot issue to be issued.
I will say that Nathan Moss has had a good time in 41CC these last several
months but not this week
Corky in La
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Mike,
Good, Great, Photos!
John
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Subject: | Re: Auto Cad Pietenpol drawings |
Van's Aircraft is able to produce pre-punched RV kits that fits together so
precise that it's amazing. They can do this because every piece is cut and
drilled by computer controlled machines that are capable of using the accuracy
CAD affords a manufacturer. This type of accuracy is just not possible in our
(my) garage. Even if all the plans were drawn in CAD I doubt your (my)
building accuracy is THAT accurate. Honestly, your construction does not need
to be
accurate to the .01 inch.
Agreed. I would recommend AutoCad not because more precision or accuracy is
needed in the plans, but because it is faster to produce a planset using it
(assuming you know how to use AutoCad), simple to make even large modifications
(a good example would be producing a full 1933 drawing #1 of the long fuse
showing all top and bottom view dimensions), perspective views are free, can be
stored and transmitted electronically, etc. Other than that it can be redrawn on
sheepskins with a stone knife, if you have the time.
I have built model airplanes from comercially produced CAD drawing and they
still have errors. Drawing in CAD does not make plans any better or worse.
You still need to mesure where the part is going to fit and make the part fit
the assembly. Try to keep the dimentions as close as possible to the plans but
ALLWAYS make the part to fit the assembly. It's just thet simple. I feel
there is no need to take the time to redraw the plans in CAD. The most helpfull
things are pictures of assemblies and parts.
Correct, and the 3D perspectives AutoCad can provide in seconds give you
these kind of views from any angle and for any assembly you want, with dimensions
if desired. All together in one place.
These can be had by simply asking anyone on this list. I will freely shair
pictures I have collected to all that needs them and I know others will too.
What about builders without computer access and with no other Piet builders
nearby? What I proposed was a way to make piet building easier for people and
very possibly get more people building them.
To all you first time builders, of which I an one too, take the time to study
the plans. All the information is on them even if it doesn't look like it at
first glance.
Except jury struts, seat belts, front cabane from top motor mount, brakes,
tailwheel. A small number of items and not necessary since the original was
built without them, but I haven't seen many pictures of currently flying piets
without them.
It is also helpfull to hafe the Flying and Glider Mag the EAA sells. Make
you parts fit not to the dimentions on the plans but to YOUR plane. After
awhile you will get comfertable with the plans and think they are adiquite. Tones
of Piet's have been built from them so they can't be that bad.
No one is trying to say that you or anyone else can't use the original plans.
They will always be available.
Sorry to get another "build it to the plans" war started here, I have the
original plans, a pile of wood and the help from you great folks on the
pietenpol-list, I will now now shutup and build.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
At 03:30 PM 1/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Mike,
>Who said I can fly. I'm still waiting for the Sport Pilot issue to be
>issued. I will say that Nathan Moss has had a good time in 41CC these last
>several months but not this week
>Corky in La
Corky---how many times have you been ramp checked to see if you hold a
valid medical ? I guess the only time they could hang you out to dry is
if you crash or hurt someone. I'm being a bit facetious here about the
ramp check, but I think if they let people drive cars they should let them
fly 2 seat, light planes without a medical exam.......but then what do I
know. I DO hope they pass that issue for guys just like you because you
deserve the right to fly in my mind. It's when you can't tell the
difference between the brake pedal and the gas pedal is when they should
yank all our tickets----fly or drive !
Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Great Photos |
Thank you very much, John ! I sure appreciate the ones that you've posted
here and there and thru the mail a few years back from your color
printer. Gosh--that one above the mountains that you posted at 12,000 ft.
was wonderful !!!!! I was sure about the chill you felt there in that
cockpit as I flew a few weeks ago when it was about 34 F for a
while------that old van heater felt GREAT when I got in it to head home
that day !!! Mike PS-- here's one or two more for ya ! At 02:23 PM
1/8/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>Good, Great, Photos!
>
>John
>
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Subject: | Re: Great Photos |
Mike,
Greeeaaattt! pics (Tony the Tiger).
Keep them comming, it's great for the winter blues.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Photos
Thank you very much, John ! I sure appreciate the ones that you've posted here
and there and thru the mail a few years back from your color printer. Gosh--that
one above the mountains that you posted at 12,000 ft. was wonderful !!!!!
I was sure about the chill you felt there in that cockpit as I flew a few
weeks ago when it was about 34 F for a while------that old van heater felt GREAT
when I got in it to head home that day !!! Mike PS-- here's one or two
more for ya ! At 02:23 PM 1/8/2004 -0700, you wrote:
Mike,
Good, Great, Photos!
John
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Subject: | Texas Pietenpols? |
Greetings from Central Texas.
I recently purchased a Pietenpol from a fellow in Northern Georgia, Mineral
Bluffs to be exact. The airplane was signed off by the Atlanta FSDO in June
1998 and shortly after, the builder suffered a heart attack. As a result, this
bird (N1195P) has never flown. (Not what I'm worried about that ... been a test
pilot before,,,) What I'm trying to determine if there are any other Pietenpol
Air Campers in and around the Abilene to San Angelo... Waco to Midland area.
My dad (84 years YOUNG, A&P license, had 5 type ratings in jets when he
retired, Instructor Pilot W.W.II, Crop Duster after the war ... flown corporate
jets all over the world) has found dozens of discrepancies in my newly acquired
Pietenpol. He said he would disinherit me unless I fixed all the stuff on his
list (not that I would be an idiot to not address these issues...) I'm a
previous builder of another Experimental as well.
I'd sure like to see some other specimens around my part of the state, if
anyone is located in my neck of the woods.
Thanks,
Sterling
Knot-2-Shabby Airport (5TA6) San Antonio Sectional
N 31' 56.182'
W 99' 53.772'
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Subject: | Re: Texas Pietenpols? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Sterling,
Theres a few around here in Waco. Two or three flying examples and at least one
(mine) under construction. Give me a call some weekend and we'll try to make
the 'rounds and see some.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Texas Pietenpols? |
Terry:
Thanks... I'll give you a call in a week or so. Might bring my dad with me if
we can pay a short visit some weekend.
Thanks,
Sterling Brooks
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Subject: | Re: what medical ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Whenever this subject is brought up, I think of my late buddy, Jack Green,
of Hebron, Texas. He had NINE bypasses. He acted and felt like a child
because his circulation was SO good.
Of course, the FAA denied him the medical BUT it was OK FOR HIM TO DRIVE A
SCHOOL BUS FULL OF KIDS and across railroad tracks too!!
Then there is Charlie G.. He flipped his single seat biplane one morning.
He flew every morning. The wind was howling this particular morning and it
got away from him and he flipped it. Anyway, the FAA comes out (NTSB stayed
away as there was no carnage) and asked him for his papers. Needless to
say, he could not find his medical. As a mater of fact, he could not find
his medical for the previous 25 years as the Feds denied him his medical 25
years previous.
Being the upstanding American that he is, twenty-five years earlier he said
F*** them, and he kept on flying.
Anyway, he had his pilot's certificate suspended for 90 days for not flying
with a valid medical, and then the FAA REINSTATED HIS MEDICAL saying that
they must of been wrong 25 years ago if he had amply demonstrated lo these
last 25 years that he could safely fly.
Go figure!
I personally know these guys.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what medical ?
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> At 03:30 PM 1/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Mike,
> >Who said I can fly. I'm still waiting for the Sport Pilot issue to be
> >issued. I will say that Nathan Moss has had a good time in 41CC these
last
> >several months but not this week
> >Corky in La
>
>
> Corky---how many times have you been ramp checked to see if you hold a
> valid medical ? I guess the only time they could hang you out to dry is
> if you crash or hurt someone. I'm being a bit facetious here about the
> ramp check, but I think if they let people drive cars they should let
them
> fly 2 seat, light planes without a medical exam.......but then what do I
> know. I DO hope they pass that issue for guys just like you because you
> deserve the right to fly in my mind. It's when you can't tell the
> difference between the brake pedal and the gas pedal is when they should
> yank all our tickets----fly or drive !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Great Photos |
<5.1.1.5.2.20040108163837.0264d060@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>
Mike,
Do you think that we can scrounge a ride for Ben in the F-18? It finally
turned cold here (-4 Friday night) so work on the TCart will probably slow
down. Everytime I clean up more parts I find more parts to fix. It will
be spring before I need to order the fabric from Jim and Dondi.
The guy doing the round the world trip in the Taylorcraft has a log going
on his web site. He must have a very understanding wife and a big
checkbook to be able to do a trip like that.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
At 04:41 PM 1/8/2004, you wrote:
>Thank you very much, John ! I sure appreciate the ones that you've
>posted here and there and thru the mail a few years back from your color
>printer. Gosh--that one above the mountains that you posted at 12,000 ft.
>was wonderful !!!!! I was sure about the chill you felt there in that
>cockpit as I flew a few weeks ago when it was about 34 F for a
>while------that old van heater felt GREAT when I got in it to head home
>that day !!! Mike PS-- here's one or two more for ya ! At 02:23 PM
>1/8/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>Mike,
>>
>>Good, Great, Photos!
>>
>>John
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: what medical ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
I just love this stuff..... Sometimes you have to wonder where common
sense got lost.. It makes me feel real good to know that Charlie didn't
miss a beat for 25 years. Just think how many hours of aerial enjoyment he
would have missed out on. My hat's off to him.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what medical ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> Whenever this subject is brought up, I think of my late buddy, Jack Green,
> of Hebron, Texas. He had NINE bypasses. He acted and felt like a child
> because his circulation was SO good.
>
> Of course, the FAA denied him the medical BUT it was OK FOR HIM TO DRIVE A
> SCHOOL BUS FULL OF KIDS and across railroad tracks too!!
>
> Then there is Charlie G.. He flipped his single seat biplane one morning.
> He flew every morning. The wind was howling this particular morning and
it
> got away from him and he flipped it. Anyway, the FAA comes out (NTSB
stayed
> away as there was no carnage) and asked him for his papers. Needless to
> say, he could not find his medical. As a mater of fact, he could not find
> his medical for the previous 25 years as the Feds denied him his medical
25
> years previous.
>
> Being the upstanding American that he is, twenty-five years earlier he
said
> F*** them, and he kept on flying.
>
> Anyway, he had his pilot's certificate suspended for 90 days for not
flying
> with a valid medical, and then the FAA REINSTATED HIS MEDICAL saying that
> they must of been wrong 25 years ago if he had amply demonstrated lo these
> last 25 years that he could safely fly.
>
> Go figure!
>
> I personally know these guys.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: what medical ?
>
>
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > At 03:30 PM 1/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Mike,
> > >Who said I can fly. I'm still waiting for the Sport Pilot issue to be
> > >issued. I will say that Nathan Moss has had a good time in 41CC these
> last
> > >several months but not this week
> > >Corky in La
> >
> >
> > Corky---how many times have you been ramp checked to see if you hold a
> > valid medical ? I guess the only time they could hang you out to dry
is
> > if you crash or hurt someone. I'm being a bit facetious here about the
> > ramp check, but I think if they let people drive cars they should let
> them
> > fly 2 seat, light planes without a medical exam.......but then what do I
> > know. I DO hope they pass that issue for guys just like you because you
> > deserve the right to fly in my mind. It's when you can't tell the
> > difference between the brake pedal and the gas pedal is when they should
> > yank all our tickets----fly or drive !
> >
> > Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Texas Pietenpols? |
Sterling,
I bought a Piet/GN-1/PGN-2 from a person in Ohio. I picked it up and found some
problems that I am working on at the moment. I live in Lometa, Texas, which is
about 170 miles sw of Abilene. I would like to communicate with you about this
and also, if possible, have your dad look at this Piet. It has the long fuselage
and is wider. It has the GN-1 wings (I believe) and an upper turtle deck.
The middle section is longer than the Piet design and the cabanes slant toward
the outside. I have a Subaru engine that came with the plane but they had taken
it out and used a Cont. 65. They just stripped it out and now I am trying
to figure out exactly how it mounted before. For a novice builder it is really
more than I bagained for to get into the air. Thanks for the inquiry. I suppose
the net will post my personal email, but if not, it is:
dcombs@Ltex.net
512/752-9202
Doyle Combs
N13708
----- Original Message -----
From: KRSBtv@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas Pietenpols?
Greetings from Central Texas.
I recently purchased a Pietenpol from a fellow in Northern Georgia, Mineral Bluffs
to be exact. The airplane was signed off by the Atlanta FSDO in June 1998
and shortly after, the builder suffered a heart attack. As a result, this bird
(N1195P) has never flown. (Not what I'm worried about that ... been a test
pilot before,,,) What I'm trying to determine if there are any other Pietenpol
Air Campers in and around the Abilene to San Angelo... Waco to Midland area.
My dad (84 years YOUNG, A&P license, had 5 type ratings in jets when he retired,
Instructor Pilot W.W.II, Crop Duster after the war ... flown corporate jets
all over the world) has found dozens of discrepancies in my newly acquired Pietenpol.
He said he would disinherit me unless I fixed all the stuff on his list
(not that I would be an idiot to not address these issues...) I'm a previous
builder of another Experimental as well.
I'd sure like to see some other specimens around my part of the state, if anyone
is located in my neck of the woods.
Thanks,
Sterling
Knot-2-Shabby Airport (5TA6) San Antonio Sectional
N 31' 56.182'
W 99' 53.772'
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Very nice pics. I'm sitting here with the flu, time to dig out Mike Cuy's video.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, it can be inspiring.
Dick
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